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LSD Discussion Thread (Australian Centric) Mach III

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OK so I fucked up on this one I had assumed it was PMA etc. Perhaps it was just a bit of dodgy chemistry that created these ozzie tabs. BTW PMA was passed off as LSD or at least added to trips in the 70's do some fucking research yourselves. As for the dodgy spelling it was cause some other guy/girl had obviously already used the correct spelling. Good acid production ended in 96 (sunset orange) with the guy who dispensed bulk ALD 52 (sunset orange) being busted. In TiHKAL, ALD-52 is mentioned by Shulgin in entry 26. There was still some good stuff coming out from Canada/USA till the early 2000's. It seems the good shit is back in a big way though. There were huge differences in the quality of imported and local tabs in the 90's. BTW I have a BA in applied science. WTF have you got to even start to try and give shit. I guess back in the day when people were dropping LSD onto sugar cubes synthetic psylocybin and PMA would have been very easy to masquerade as LSD. What I should have said was ozzie lsd was dirty and tasted almost like metal and was dirt cheap while imported LSD was FUCKING CLEAN and cost more $. Care to expand with your massive knowledge base and personal experience Monstersquad. Oh please no... don't tell me I've offended another person!! On a different note the MXE going around is top quality actual MXE, prefer MXE to LSD. Good to stir shit sometimes.
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Ate two different Euro boards last night and both were top notch quality man.

I don't think anyone is offended I just think everyone here has been getting amazing LSD lately, so I think we're all just a bit confused. It's almost hard to find a shit tab lately.
 
Hey guys,

Has anyone heard of the game Portal 2? I was watching a review on it before downloading and thought to myself, this game would be pretty sick while tripping bawlz, you can watch a preview here

The highly anticipated sequel to 2007's Game of the Year, Portal 2 is a hilariously mind-bending adventure that challenges you to use wits over weaponry in a funhouse of diabolical science.

Using a highly experimental portal device, you'll once again face off against a lethally inventive, power-mad A.I. named GLaDOS. And this time you won't be alone. Meet an expanded cast of characters as you think your way through dangerous, never-before-seen areas of Aperture Laboratories.

Break the laws of spatial physics in ways you never thought possible, with a wider variety of portal puzzles and an expansive story that spans a single player and co-operative game mode.
 
88brenno said:
Hey guys,

Has anyone heard of the game Portal 2? I was watching a review on it before downloading and thought to myself, this game would be pretty sick while tripping bawlz, you can watch a preview here

The highly anticipated sequel to 2007's Game of the Year, Portal 2 is a hilariously mind-bending adventure that challenges you to use wits over weaponry in a funhouse of diabolical science.

Using a highly experimental portal device, you'll once again face off against a lethally inventive, power-mad A.I. named GLaDOS. And this time you won't be alone. Meet an expanded cast of characters as you think your way through dangerous, never-before-seen areas of Aperture Laboratories.

Break the laws of spatial physics in ways you never thought possible, with a wider variety of portal puzzles and an expansive story that spans a single player and co-operative game mode.
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great game with or without drugs ;)
 
Does anyone here have experience with 25I-NBOMe? I'm getting a 1000ug tab soon, and I was thinking of taking half of it for my first time. Sorry if this isn't really related but I figured because it's often sold as a LSD RC it could go here. I'm also getting two 120ug (at least, that's what I'm told...) acid in, so I'll let ya'll know how that goes. :)
 
i want to know how you differentiate between 'euro' cid and your average run of the mill cid? does euro cid have to be on hofmann blotter? does the beholder need a specific accent?

^ 120ug sounds like an odd amount, i would tip that it'll be 100 max, the 20 is like buy this shit maan its 20% stronger than your average. like when you get liqqy and theres 120 drops, who counts the drops going in haha

the vast amount of lsd circulating is weak as piss to maximise profit. just enough to give you the effect, placebo or not.
 
laugh said:
i want to know how you differentiate between 'euro' cid and your average run of the mill cid? does euro cid have to be on hofmann blotter? does the beholder need a specific accent?

^ 120ug sounds like an odd amount, i would tip that it'll be 100 max, the 20 is like buy this shit maan its 20% stronger than your average. like when you get liqqy and theres 120 drops, who counts the drops going in haha

the vast amount of lsd circulating is weak as piss to maximise profit. just enough to give you the effect, placebo or not.
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The vast amount, but if one has a good acid dealer they should be seeing heaps of the great blotters that have been practically everywhere in Australia this year. I have had one blotter this entire year that I thought was a little too weak, and even then I just ate more of them and at a sufficient dosage it turned out to be some of the best 'cid I've ever had.
 
so how do you tell you have tabs laid in europe tangerino? excuse my jealously/scepticism

i stand by my statement that most lsd is weak as piss.

50-100ug weak-threshold
100-250ug medium average
250-300+ug high (and thats probably conservative)

vast majority of lsd is dosed lower than 100ug hence weak

please feel free to correct me. peace :)
 
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laugh said:
so how do you tell you have tabs laid in europe tangerino? excuse my jealously/scepticism

i stand by my statement that most lsd is weak as piss.

50-100ug weak-threshold
100-250ug medium average
250-300+ug high (and thats probably conservative)

vast majority of lsd is dosed lower than 100ug hence weak

please feel free to correct me. peace :)
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I doubt anyone can verify exactly (well apart from the layers themselves) where the tabs have came from. Generally nearly all acid comes from O/S, imported in crystal or liquid form. Just think of how easy it would be to simple import a gram of that stuff and turn it into liquid like they do here. Now that's a shitload of doses.

There are well known blotter art sites that sell cool prints but have heard that there has been instances where people have printed there own and perforated them themselves. Your right these days they are very weak, same as pills. The problem is the profit margin, its not like it used to be where for example in EU we were purchasing roughly 500ug laid on a tab which we split into 4 but cost us double if not more than few years later for a lot weaker ones. I mean would most people buy a pill that contains 150mg MDMA for double price than usual?

I think not, most general users just think of how many pills they are getting for there moneys worth not as to how much they contain which is sad really, then again people were selling it for way more than usual there would be a lot of dodgy deals about. Not too mention the fact that the demand has increased rapidly over the years. Its all about quantities over quality with the manufacturers and traffickers. Its sad but that's the way it is.
 
Sustanon said:
I mean would most people buy a pill that contains 150mg MDMA for double price than usual?

I think not, most general users just think of how many pills they are getting for there moneys worth not as to how much they contain which is sad really, then again people were selling it for way more than usual there would be a lot of dodgy deals about. Not too mention the fact that the demand has increased rapidly over the years. Its all about quantities over quality with the manufacturers and traffickers. Its sad but that's the way it is.
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Hell yeah I would, particularly if it was MDMA. Prices currently are half the price of 20 years ago and you would last most of the night.

The thing that saves lsd is it's potency. Very few chemicals can be laid on such a small tab and deliver the same effects. Even DOx substances are usually large cardboard tabs so that's a give away straight up. Even at double today's prices/ hit you can't argue that it isn't valuable for money given it's duration. I remember the first time I trip we split 2 tabs 3 ways and it still rates has one of my most intense trips ever.
 
laugh said:
so how do you tell you have tabs laid in europe tangerino? excuse my jealously/scepticism

i stand by my statement that most lsd is weak as piss.

50-100ug weak-threshold
100-250ug medium average
250-300+ug high (and thats probably conservative)

vast majority of lsd is dosed lower than 100ug hence weak

please feel free to correct me. peace :)
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Well, you get them from Europe.

The ones I ate most this year were lab tested in Europe at 80ug+- and I would mostly eat them 1.5 - 2 at a time. I ran out of them a few months ago, and haven't been doing much acid lately but keeping an eye on what's around. I also had the Avatars this year which were from Europe, 180ug's apparantly, I don't know if they were quite that strong but they were good.

What Sus is saying is also correct.
Unless it's a well known print that's come from Europe, circulating in Europe and obviously laid in Europe, which those two I just mentioned are, it could be laid from any crystal from God knows where and even then there is potential for replicas but you can tell the real deal when you get it.

Don't misunderstand I'm not claiming I can eat any random tab and somehow magically pull a full breakdown of its attributes out of my arse, that's absurd.

I agree with you that most is probably pretty weak, but nonetheless there's been a lot of well known prints of potency in Australia this year.
 
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i suppose thats why the vast majority of lsd is weak as piss? people get a shock when they realise its going to be a little deeper than the usual placebo / threshold effect...

hope everything is gravy electric wizard? considering your location i would have thought a good trip would have been mental contentment not fear of psych amphet swimming :)

when lsd degrades its potency diminishes. does it also become 'dirtier' i mean take on negative effects such as cramp and body load etc. i have noticed with older lsd or lsd that has not been handled and stored correctly there are often many more uncomfortable effects.

why is this? chemical reaction / change?
 
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laugh said:
i suppose thats why the vast majority of lsd is weak as piss? people get a shock when they realise its going to be a little deeper than the usual placebo / threshold effect...

hope everything is gravy electric wizard? considering your location i would have thought a good trip would have been mental contentment not fear of psych amphet swimming :)

when lsd degrades its potency diminishes. does it also become 'dirtier' i mean take on negative effects such as cramp and body load etc. i have noticed with older lsd or lsd that has not been handled and stored correctly there are often many more uncomfortable effects.

why is this? chemical reaction / change?
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as it degrades it also turns black, this is generally due to oxygen exposure and happens in a surprisingly short amount of time
i have seen Tupperware that has come in contact with liquid solution and been left out exposed to the elements slowly darken and become speckled with Black pieces in under a month


"LSD," writes the chemist Alexander Shulgin, "is an unusually fragile molecule."[5] It is stable for indefinite time if stored as a solid salt or dissolved in water, at low temperature and protected from air and light exposure.

LSD has two labile protons at the tertiary stereogenic C5 and C8 positions, rendering these centres prone to epimerisation. The C8 proton is more labile due to the electron-withdrawing carboxamide attachment, but removal of the chiral proton at the C5 position (which was once also an alpha proton of the parent molecule tryptophan) is assisted by the inductively withdrawing nitrogen and pi electron delocalisation with the indole ring.[citation needed]

LSD also has enamine-type reactivity because of the electron-donating effects of the indole ring. Because of this, chlorine destroys LSD molecules on contact; even though chlorinated tap water contains only a slight amount of chlorine, the small quantity of compound typical to an LSD solution will likely be eliminated when dissolved in tap water.[5] The double bond between the 8-position and the aromatic ring, being conjugated with the indole ring, is susceptible to nucleophilic attacks by water or alcohol, especially in the presence of light. LSD often converts to "lumi-LSD", which is totally inactive in human beings (to the best of current knowledge).

A controlled study was undertaken to determine the stability of LSD in pooled urine samples.[70] The concentrations of LSD in urine samples were followed over time at various temperatures, in different types of storage containers, at various exposures to different wavelengths of light, and at varying pH values. These studies demonstrated no significant loss in LSD concentration at 25°C for up to four weeks. After four weeks of incubation, a 30% loss in LSD concentration at 37°C and up to a 40% at 45°C were observed. Urine fortified with LSD and stored in amber glass or nontransparent polyethylene containers showed no change in concentration under any light conditions. Stability of LSD in transparent containers under light was dependent on the distance between the light source and the samples, the wavelength of light, exposure time, and the intensity of light. After prolonged exposure to heat in alkaline pH conditions, 10 to 15% of the parent LSD epimerized to iso-LSD. Under acidic conditions, less than 5% of the LSD was converted to iso-LSD. It was also demonstrated that trace amounts of metal ions in buffer or urine could catalyze the decomposition of LSD and that this process can be avoided by the addition of EDTA.
 
as for the product created by degrading LSD that seems to prolong and change the effects into something more similiar to a DOx ... please enlighten me :)
 
Had not tripped in awhile,

But six dots, and 1.5 blotter of hyper pink,black, (can't describe as did not sight sheet) , had me learning, . Must say that periods of abstinence of Psyche's can be wholesome, when returning.
 
ate 4 homers last night. along with about 7 boxes of nos ;D

great time was had. boy was I tripping balls!

I think I have been tripping too often last few weeks. I think out of last 8 weekends, I have tripped at least 6times outta 8.

I mean i'm giving 7day break between trips, but general tolerance still creeps up.

gonna try and give it a month break before i indulge in Lucy again. :)
 
Currently in Europe, been going to psy parties and festivals as much as possible.
Found a bunch of assorted average tabs, but managed to meet a guy who has some 400 mic + paper.
He must have been a chemist, he was trying to sell me a bunch of RCs that he laid himself.
Pretty keen to try this strong paper. My friend took one last week, and i have never seen somebody get so high from one dose.
 
^ LSD and psytrance parties go hand and hand, one of my fave past times
 
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