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LSD & Body Tightness/ tension

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Hi!

So yesterday was a crazy day. Experienced this three times now, Shrooms more like 8-10 times. However, I have a couple questions. The does was only 1 blotter and it completely dissolved my ego and peaked for like 4 hours. I couldn't really talk or stand, & the visual were out of this world. Just seeing hundreds/ thousands of people, mostly really cute girls naked and melting into each other or pulling each other apart into more and more people. Then they would all vanish into a small orb and then explode into... I can't even begin to explain. BUT... I had very bad body tension, as if underneath my skin in my neck and shoulders, ribs.. everything was very tight. Too the point it was difficult to breathe and I had to consciously think about breathing. Then I felt my body completely vanish and I was just inside my own mind and completely unaware of everything else around me except what I was hearing, seeing and experiencing.

Is this common?
 
That happens to me all the time. It's just anxiety from tripping really hard. Your body gets tense, don't worry about. Yeah I know that's hard when you see 1000's of naked ladies dancing around and everything is total chaos. It happened to me because I geeked myself to death, just a few days ago.
 
Actually.. I may be wrong on this one, maybe you took a different chemical. Was the taste bitter and kinda taste metallic when you put it in your mouth?
 
The Dr said:
Actually.. I may be wrong on this one, maybe you took a different chemical. Was the taste bitter and kinda taste metallic when you put it in your mouth?
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After the 6 hour mark, when everything was turned down a couple notches it did taste metallic. My friend didn't feel any body tightness I should add.
 
That sounds like a fantastic trip, especially from one blotter.
And yea muscle tension can be very common with LSD, most psychedelics for that matter.
Mine usually clues in the form of a very stiff back, especially if I'm raving

EDIT: as well the metallic taste at 6 hour mark was likely not the blotter, but simply because your body is working quicker than normal.
Ever had been working up a sweat and it kinda tastes like pennies or blood? Same thing.
It could have just as easily been because you were extremely high
 
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Okay your good then. That's normal off of lsd.. You were just trippin man :), I've had shit on a blotter that was a different taste and it made my back cramp up like a mother fucker.. could of also been anxiety, but I know it wasn't lsd
 
DOX chems give me HORRIBLE tension, so it MAY have been those as well, but it's very difficult to pinpoint since psychedelics can make you feel almost anything under the right circumsances
 
It's not just anxiety. Psychedelics cause vasoconstriction in muscles (narrowing of blood vessels), and LSD is especially bad in this regard. Check out the posts about l-arginine supplements and creams in this thread (nitric oxide supplements might also be good). Also, doing light stretches and exercise before and during the trip will help the blood vessels dilate.
 
Now what causes the vasoconstriction to occur? Is it the drug itself? If that's the case then how come there have been no reported deaths from the drug? Vasoconstriction can cause death
 
You know I was thinking about vasoconstriction a lot, hence why I avoided caffeine for a couple days leading up to the trip. Definitely had a bid of anxiety as well, Just being so disoriented and checking my pulse (which was slightly elevated) although the force of contraction was noticeably more powerful, which could explain the vasoconstriction and high blood pressure. You mentioned nitrates and the use of l-arginine, which is a great idea. i know concentrated beat juice can act as a temporary natural vasodilator that could help the relieve some of that tension. I drank plenty of water with minimal sodium, so blood volume shouldn't have been an issue.

I'm a bit of science geek, so on the come up, it's probably not smart to start geeking out in my own head about all the possible things going on. Hence why eventually I just let go. After my body stopped fighting it (ie. after the peak) it was pure bliss (like hours 4-6). Tons of visuals both closed and open eye. Definitely couldn't really stretch. Going to take a piss was a struggle in itself.

Honestly, everything seen was so personal and dramatically amplified its unbelievable. Considering my experience, i figured 1 blot (definitely a bigger than normal blot) would be just a nice day and the park overlooking the mountains and ocean, but this was a battle/ war and every hour or so (who knows) my friend and i would look over and laugh it off, it was nice knowing that someone else was going through this suffering experience together. I've considered tripping alone or in a more public place, but after this I have to eliminate that idea and respect it for what it truly is.

Side note- It's a good thing vasoconstriction prevents erections; because i should've been throbbing at the visuals/ fantasies I was seeing LOL.
 
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Now what causes the vasoconstriction to occur? Is it the drug itself? If that's the case then how come there have been no reported deaths from the drug? Vasoconstriction can cause death
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The drug itself. 5HT2a (the main "psychedelic receptor) agonism mediates both vasoconstriction and vasodilation in different parts of the body. There's no way around it without doing something to increase dilation in the constricted (tense) muscles (well you could block the receptors, but that would kill the trip). A possible reason most psychedelics aren't causing deaths and amputations due to vasoconstriction is because most are not full agonists, just partial agonists. Full agonist psychedelics like Bromo-DragonFLY have caused amputations and deaths in overdoses, and NBOMes MIGHT be able to cause similar levels of vasoconstriction (though not as long lasting). It's possible there are other receptors that these drugs simply haven't been screened at that could be contributing, though.
 
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I get awful muscle tension with every psych, it's very common. If you remember to take magnesium pills before/during the trip it'll make a big difference.
 
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The drug itself. 5HT2a (the main "psychedelic receptor) agonism mediates both vasoconstriction and vasodilation in different parts of the body. There's no way around it without doing something to increase dilation in the constricted (tense) muscles (well you could block the receptors, but that would kill the trip). A possible reason most psychedelics aren't causing deaths and amputations due to vasoconstriction is because most are not full agonists, just partial agonists. Full agonist psychedelics like Bromo-DragonFLY have caused amputations and deaths in overdoses, and NBOMes MIGHT be able to cause similar levels of vasoconstriction (though not as long lasting). It's possible there are other receptors that these drugs simply haven't been screened at that could be contributing, though.
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Okay so what about when people do thumb prints and stuff like that? There have been no reported deaths from that. Not trying to start an argument. I know what BDF is, that's what I was referring to with the metallic taste.
 
Note: I'm sure it was LSD because approximate time frame was as follows (which differs from DOx)

T0:00 -under tongue
T0:30- Swallowed, feeling funny, tingly brighter.
T1:00 - closed eye hallucinations.
T2:00 -Peaking
T5:00-Plateauing
T7:00- Visuals strongly present, but meaning of them is not as deep (like I'm used to them by now)
T9:00 -70% down words on cell phone wiggling
T10:00 95% down.
 
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Okay so what about when people do thumb prints and stuff like that? There have been no reported deaths from that. Not trying to start an argument. I know what BDF is, that's what I was referring to with the metallic taste.
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From what I've read there's a receptor saturation point at 5HT2a with LSD at around 1 to 1.5 mg. I'm not sure why this is exactly but if true it indicates people who do thumb prints are not really tripping as hard as might be imagined, rather they're enduring lots of other side-effects that have to do with LSD's other receptor affinities. The overdose deaths and amputations from Bromo-DragonFly were at 2C-B-FLY doses, so they involved up to 100 times the normal recreational dose of a full agonist, whereas if the receptor saturation theory with LSD is true it involves about 15 times a normal recreational dose (at 1.5 mg) of a partial agonist. That's my best attempt at an explanation. Even if the receptor saturation point theory isn't true though LSD is still a partial agonist and even a thumbprint is unlikely to be as high an overdose as the overdoses of BD-Fly (plus people who do thumbprints already have enormous tolerances built up).
 
That muscle tension is why I won't touch acid anymore. Mushrooms are chill in my body in large amounts, but even small doses of acid will make my muscles tense up alarmingly. It's because of vasoconstriction, and the vasoconstriction actually turned out to be a long term side effect for me. I got really high on acid, and the muscle tension / vasoconstriction tore my back up to the point that I now experience permanent discomfort there, and it also caused me heart problems for about a year. The vasoconstriction has never fully went away. I recommend that nobody in their right mind ever touch this garbage, there is a lot of uncertainty around it these days and it has become very sketchy, it only took a handful of times and it turned out to be the most damaging drug I have ever taken by far, smoking crack would be easier on my heart than this junk.
 
rave_itsrealfun!!! said:
.............. I won't touch acid anymore ....... I recommend that nobody in their right mind ever touch this garbage, .................... it turned out to be the most damaging drug I have ever taken by far, smoking crack would be easier on my heart than this junk.
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Actually it's not like that for most folks. Unfortunately you're one of the few people that has a bad reaction. Hope your post doesn't put too many people off.

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