Lsd anxiety vs. cannabis anxiety

[SKL]

i think alot of it has to do with the fact that people consider smoking a doob or what have you to be no more significant than a cup of coffee... whereas in fact it is a pretty powerful drug with definitive effects on your mind!

 

[Jamshyd]

Don't want to hijack this thread (although I think the OP has got plenty of good replies now), but I'm wondering what all you guys have been smoking? In 30 years of smoking with friends in UK, I've never seen a panic attack on cannabis. A few "whiteys" yes, but thev've been more body load than anything else. And by cannabis I don't mean the crap "soap bar" junk that parades as hash in the UK - I'm including top quality grass & etc. Or maybe it could be the soap bar stuff - I know on the rare occasions when I try it I generally feel worse after about 10 minutes . But only marginally so.

I have had some slightly freaky moments on Mushrooms and very occasionally on acid ....... just curious as to why there are so many reports of cannabis freakouts!

I choose to smoke Hashish because it is much more predictable than plant matter.

Plus it smells/tasts nice, unlike weed which makes you smell like every second highschool kid on the bus .

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ If you vaporize, it smells nice and does not linger even in the slightest. Also I find that it produces no anxiety in me at all... it's a much different high, mor refined and controllable.

I never used to get anxiety from cannabis at all... now I do maybe 50% of the time, at least to some extent. I attribute that to the fact that I have some things going on in my life. Cannabis has always exacerbated existing anxiety for me... when I have nothing to worry about in my life, it's purely euphoric.

Cannabis has the ability to really cause a lot of anxiety... I've seen it in practically anyone I've ever smoked regularly with, at some point.

 

[swilow]

^I don't know a heavy smoker that wouldn't fall into the category of 'anxiety-disrupted'. It is inevitable- weed either induces or can induce insane panic attacks, or lasting general anxiety when using regularly.

 

[KompelZ]

^I don't know a heavy smoker that wouldn't fall into the category of 'anxiety-disrupted'. It is inevitable- weed either induces or can induce insane panic attacks, or lasting general anxiety when using regularly.

True. I agree with this and almost everything else said in this thread. Weed is just a no-no to anyone with severe anxiety or a predisposition to severe anxiety. It was also one of my main motivations for quitting the shit. I haven't looked back since.

 

[ntype]

weird, everyone feels the same! so much for weed the "safe" drug. i have to say ive had hairy moments on cid, but there never as irrational or out of control as a bad skunk 'hole'. brrrrrr

i wouldnt dare smoke at the peak of a acid trip! recipe for disaster

 

[Feels]

Cannabis has provoked more anxiety than any of my experiences with mushrooms, LSD, or salvia. Still never had a panic attack or anything but cannabis definitely seems more likely to tip things in that anxiety-provoking direction. One thing I would not recommend probably is to get royally stoned right before taking a fairly high dose of acid... it really affects the come-up in a profound matter, because cannabis has such a strong power of suggestion and imagination, you can fool yourself into thinking "omg I'm tripping!" when you're not yet. And it also seems to magnify anxious feelings; most of this dissipates by the time the peak happens, but like I said smoking right before or immediately after dropping cid makes for quite a nerve-wracking and manic two hours or so.

 

[Zubi420]

how does shrooms compare with lsd and cannabis anxiety? is it also less anxiety inducing than cannabis? and also how does it compare with lsd?

i think people tend to underestimate the psychoactive power of cannabis. I don't believe people mean it as a soft drug in that manner. its probably a soft drug cause it is physically less dangerous than "hard" drugs like coke, pills, dope, and alcohol.

 

[Jamshyd]

i wouldnt dare smoke at the peak of a acid trip! recipe for disaster

That is something I always like to point out.

Reading trip reports, I generally find that when a trip suddenly starts going bad, most of these reports have one thing in common: smoking weed.

 

[feelgoodhit]

IMHO, weed is good for the end of a trip (i.e. the point you either want to be asleep, or you would like your trip back).

 

[Something Else]

As far as anxiety on psychedelics vs. cannabis anxiety goes, from my experience psychedelic anxiety tends to be rooted in being overwhelmed by tripping far too hard and wishing to diminish the effects, whereas from weed I just tend to freak out about random things and feel a lot more scared rather than just overwhelmed... My sole bad trip was I guess pretty scary but what was bothering me the most was how hard I was tripping and trying and failing to fall asleep (...which contributed to the anxiety. Never made that mistake again). When I'm baked, I actually get pretty damn frightened if the paranoia sets in... Weed anxiety's definitely worse for me. Not knowing why the hell you're scared out of your mind makes for a bad time. It's just ridiculous fear that can't really be rationalized or stifled, whereas no matter how hard I'm tripping even if I'm in a bad place I know eventually it will end. And normally of course, I don't want it to end at all, heh.

 

[time traveler]

My last trip from a few weeks ago (low dose) was terribly anxiety ridden from the come up. And i made an effort to lay off the green to the end. I ended up scatered and filled with anxiety for a good part of a week. Wasnt a bad trip but it really dug some deep stuff to which i still have no clue to what it was

A week and bit later im feeling pretty good now that i subconciously integrated the experience.

Smoking during a trip can cause anxiety. Not Smoking during a trip can cause anxiety.

Go with the flow. It is the only way.

 

[General Patton]

I find that with psychs that cause nausea, NOT smoking cannabis is a big factor in potentially having a less than stellar outcome... Sometimes with something like ACO-DMT, which is big on the ayahuascua-like nausea at higher doses (Or at least what I imagine that feeling would be like...) I'll have the feeling like "Alright, I only have enough energy left to do one of two things: Smoke a bowl, or throw up" and if I don't smoke the bowl I won't get to that "higher level." This happened to me yesterday, when you combine two drugs that have opposite effects, in this case one nauseating one and one nausea-reliving one, the synergistic effects seem to catapult you into a mental space unlike what either can produce alone.... Or perhaps this is my utter shock and confusion upon gazing on the void, I won't discount that possibility, ahah.

LSD is not nausea-producing for me, so I like hash to offset the speedy/tweaky feelings a tad... Yes, precisely one tad, I like that system of measurement.

 

[time traveler]

LSD is not nausea-producing for me, so I like hash to offset the speedy/tweaky feelings a tad... Yes, precisely one tad, I like that system of measurement.

Just wondering is the "tad" unit of nausea on a linear or logarithmic scale ?

 

[college_dropout]

Weed's buzz can throw me in uncomfortable anxiety ridden places.

 

[General Patton]

Just wondering is the "tad" unit of nausea on a linear or logarithmic scale ?

Linear as far as I know... This might change at the last moment before vomiting, as you feel that exponential bursting of stomach contents up your gullet

To add to the discussion on Cannabis anxiety, I find that when I smoke small threshold doses daily, than try smoking publicly with friends that is when anxiety hits the worst. With anxiety from psychedelics there is an odd sense of surrender, since you are not commonly in that state, so riding it out to the end doesn't seem like that big of an issue. There is also the propensity for "zen" type of thinking most psychedelics induce, the ability to see beyond linear lines can help you in these situations. But, cannabis is something alot of us indulge in quite often, so the possibility for being in that mindset in an adverse situation is greater. I think how you navigate those mental spaces has alot to do with your memories of being in certain situations in adverse mindsets. Cannabis anxiety is a very universal feeling, and with all the memories of yourself and friends being in bad places mentally from "one little joint" or "just a few bowls" it compounds the nerve-jangling tension, sometimes to uncomfortable levels.

 

[Ugster]

I guess I'm the exception here... I have some anxiety problems, and I often get anxiety on weed however it's manageable... when I get anxiety on LSD things can go really bad really quick, especially if it escalates into a panic attack... I almost flipped out really bad once because of it, but nothing too terrible.

 

[FreedomOfTheMind]

I used to get anxiety on weed and then I thought about it for awhile ( a few weeks) and thought why? I am causing this anxiety in me. I am the one who is in control of my biocomputer (brain) and I can control my anxiety, especially if I am getting anxious about silly social situations, etc, which weed used to make me anxious about. I thought about it and my anxiety was really silly and stemmed from my own insecurities. After I dealt with them (helped by LSD partially), I realized that I could stop being anxious for no good reason and enjoy the high. I have not had anxiety on a weed high since (1.5 yrs ago). It should be noted that before this I RARELY ever got anxiety from weed but it happened in large social situations. Now I NEVER get anxiety from weed, no matter what. I will still get anxiety from psychedelics if I come up faster than expected or if I am in an uncomortable situation.

Anyways, think about the root of your anxiety and analyze it. Is it worth it? Do you have a good reason to be anxious? Why are you scared being high around people? Are you worried about their perception of you? Why? That is just ego games. Your entire perception of yourself is based on how you perceive other people perceiving you. Stop the cycle and realize the ego as a false center and realize the true center lies within you. There is no reason to be anxious about what other people think of you since we are all ONE BEING and there is no reason that u are less capable or less worthy than anybody. We are all fundamentally the same; all duality is falsely imagined. This process enabled me to get rid of all cannabis induced anxiety, since I find most of it stems from silly things like being worried about your perception by others.

 

[FreedomOfTheMind]

Also, I dont understand how so many people get anxiety attacks from weed. I havnt gotten true anxiety from weed since I was in 9th grade and I'm in college now, but I understand its a very anxiogenic substance. Most of the people I smoke with never get anxiety though. I find cannabis to REDUCE MY ANXIETY overall and if I get bad thoughts, those thoughts were there before I smoked and the cannabis just brought them out. It is up to me to do something about it though. I just love cannabis- it is so psychedelic for me and I agree with xorkoth- vaporization gives such a cleaner, more headdy, buzzy, crisp high, not a couchlocked body high from taking a huge bong hit, but more like a nice wake and bake seeing the world through a new lense with a different perspective. I love vaporized cannabis.

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

Anyways, think about the root of your anxiety and analyze it. Is it worth it? Do you have a good reason to be anxious? Why are you scared being high around people? Are you worried about their perception of you? Why? That is just ego games. Your entire perception of yourself is based on how you perceive other people perceiving you. Stop the cycle and realize the ego as a false center and realize the true center lies within you. There is no reason to be anxious about what other people think of you since we are all ONE BEING and there is no reason that u are less capable or less worthy than anybody. We are all fundamentally the same; all duality is falsely imagined. This process enabled me to get rid of all cannabis induced anxiety, since I find most of it stems from silly things like being worried about your perception by others.

I think most people who use psychedelics at least implicitly realize that You = The world around you. The hard part (at least for me) is implementing this realization in everyday life. When you are tripping things tend to make so much more sense, realization immerses every aspect of your existence. Contrast that with relative monotony of everyday life, you are much more likely to fall in a trap and revert to your old ways. The environment around you also has a enormous effect on the extent to which you can live your realizations. Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you're saying but I think it's much harder for some people to 'go through' than others.

I definitely get a lot more anxiety on cannabis than on LSD. Whenever I have negative thoughts on LSD, I can usually address the source of the negativity or at least come to terms with myself. Weed on the other hand tends to be less flexible, once I start brooding on my problems, I tend to find it hard to break the loop. Although, lately I've a pretty been much better at avoiding weed anxiety. I just tend to ignore such anxiety as weed paranoia.

I wish I had reliable access to good sativa. I tend to have a much better time when the high is clear. It's almost like LSD in a sense, I can separate myself from the bubble of my existence and I find it easier to normalize negative thoughts.

I think it's kind of crazy how so many people seem to have much freakier time on weed than LSD, especially considering how intense LSD can get.