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LSD and other brainwave frequencies?

captaintrips

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I took 5 hits (100mcg) of LSD at around 8 tonight with a slight tolerance (I took one a week before) and listened to delta brainwave frequencies (like the kind that are supposed to make you go to sleep) and though it did not bring the trip to a roaring stop, it most certainly sobered the experience quite a bit. I listened to the frequencies for no more than 2 minutes. I sort of looked through erowid but couldn't find anything. I see how it makes a lot of sense, but I'm just wondering if anybody knows more about it specifically? it's quite the transition if you can imagine..:)
 
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Likely placebo but nobody can tell unless you start doing double-blind testing.

Binaural beats seem to work for some and not others.
 
Were you hallucinating or was it a body buzz? I can't imagine that delta waves would make any difference at a heavier dose.
 
I do not think it was placebo. These are powerful delta waves that do work for me, so knowing that beforehand could have definitely made placebo a possibility, but after listening to the tones for under 2 minutes, the there were almost no CEVs and when I stopped listening to the tone, that headiness and the sort of indescribable "moreness" that you get when you take LSD was almost completely gone. Other than a few visual distortions that got more and more complex and alternating as the night went on, I felt rather sober. I started listening to the tones about an hour and a half into the trip. I felt like I started to regain a little of the headiness later on, but I felt it was mostly dissipated. Like I said, i could see how it makes sense since they're supposed to put you to sleep. I wasn't even very bummed out because I found it to be such an interesting concept. I'd like to see somebody else who is somewhat susceptible to brainwave entertainment to experiment more with it. Thoughts?
 
What you call 'being more susceptible' is probably the component of autosuggestion that makes things like placebo, hypnosis, binaural beats and other methods of suggestive manipulation more successful in some than others. There is a part of suggestion by external stimulation and you do the rest yourself. Denying the power of placebo mostly empowers it. It's not bad, just not necessarily realistic either. I think we'd be surprised how much is needed to convince us otherwise but I have heard some examples of freakishly strong placebo effect (one such example is described in PIHKAL by Shulgin as a major reason to get into the field he did) that strongly advised me not to underestimate it. And that most certainly still will not exempt me.

I think things binaural beats and those 25000$ LED flashing things that create hypnogogic fractals claim to do are exaggerated, that what they do mostly is deliver you to a meditative state, which is something natural you do not need any aid for per se - some things just catalyze the tricky process by clearing the way. Normal meditative techniques seem more likely to confuse people because people have to provide a steady stream of meaningless stimulation themselves. Things like paying attention to breathing or mantra's, all things serving as positive brainwashing to replace previous meaningful mental content and processes. Things like binaural beats are probably much more easy to accept as replacement stimulation because it is provided for.
Then from there on out, the state can be molded, and end results may be gotten almost by confabulation. I think suggested healing powers (such as anxiolysis, help with jet lag, insomnia, psychological concerns) or trippy effects are very likely to be close to what can be achieved by meditative states that would normally be too advanced for the subject to achieve.
 
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if this is a real phenomenon wouldn't you expect it to be reversed by entraining your brain to a gamma or beta range wave?
try that next time i guess.

would you care to mention what type of stimulus you were using? and was it speakers or headphones?
 
Binaural beats typically do not work for me - these are Hemi Sync (which was the original, golden standard) so they have quite a pronounced effect on me personally and I would figure most people. I say that because once again, isochronic tones and other binaural beats do not work for me very well. I don't argue with what you're saying Solipsis, but it felt almost like I took Ativan or a very low dose of Valium in order to halt the trip. The entire reason I stopped listening to the tones was because I stopped having CEVs and stopped feeling like I was tripping, which was something that I really did not expect to happen. But then I wasn't using the tones for their intended purpose. If I had gone to sleep, no doubt I would have had very strange dreams. Considering how different a frequency delta brainwaves are compared to the beta or alpha brainwaves that are going off while somebody is tripping, is it not possible? I was laying down and using headphones. I do think that most of those brainwave entertainment tapes and things are exaggerated and are usually just wanting to make a profit, luckily I was able to get these very powerful tracks for free.
 
Well if anything it's interesting that this happened. :) And apart from my generalized beliefs I explained, in the end I can't be sure of what happened with you. But I do have doubts that brainwaves are proven to resonate with the interference (ground) frequency arising from the differences.

For the record I have tried binaural beats myself years ago and had limited (though not zero) results consistent with my current skeptical (not the same as rejecting) views. It is likely I also tried listening to it while high or tripping, but I have no clear recollection of what happened. Best I can tell it was interesting but not mindblowing.
 
I was very skeptical of them until I found the ones I am using now. I usually just use the tones to put me to sleep when I'm having trouble and they knock me out. When I have access to more lucy and am feeling brave or risky I may try again and report back, or if I start to have a bad trip and don't have any benzos around. Anyway, thank you very much for the input. I appreciate it :)
 
You, too. If it works then who cares about the specifics?
I'm sure others who are interested in this sort of thing are grateful for the tip. Maybe I'll give those particular binaurals a chance myself to test some assumptions. (Part of my opinion is rational and independent on subjective experiences including my own... but never mind that now)
 
When I have access to more lucy and am feeling brave or risky I may try again and report back, or if I start to have a bad trip and don't have any benzos around. Anyway, thank you very much for the input. I appreciate it :)
yes i would definitely recommend trying again and trying to reverse the phenomenon with gamma or beta waves, if you wish to answer this question for yourself.

i think i have found some hemi-sync stuff on my torrent tracker and may give it a try... it has been at least a decade since i last tried binaural beat stuff.. thanks
 
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