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LSD/aMT/2c-i cross-tolerance

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Is there a cross tolerance between these three? I took the LSD on friday, aMT on Sunday, and if my 2C-I comes in tonight i want to take it at my friends house, but I was wondering if there would be a cross tolerance between these three and if i should take a higher dose of the 2c-i.

What do you guys think? GRACIAS :D:D=D
 
There is a cross-tolerance between nearly all the classical tryptamines and phenetylamines.
 
I'm not suggesting you should. I would advise you to start off with a low dosage as with any substance your first time around. You can always take more if you feel it doesn't really take you where you want to be.

What I would do is not take anything, tripping so much is not really recommended, at least imo.

2c-i isn't exactly classical...
What are you saying? That there is no cross-tolerance? If so, that's wrong.
 
Is there a cross tolerance between these three? I took the LSD on friday, aMT on Sunday, and if my 2C-I comes in tonight i want to take it at my friends house, but I was wondering if there would be a cross tolerance between these three and if i should take a higher dose of the 2c-i.

What do you guys think? GRACIAS :D:D=D

You have absolutely no tolerance to LSD, AMT, or 2C-I if you had taken one Friday, the next Saturday, and the next Sunday. It takes time for tryptamines and phenethylamines to build a tolerance. You'd have to be doing the same substance day after day for at least a week before a noticeable difference in tolerance appeared. Therefore it would take many days of back to back use of the same substance before a dosage increase is absolutely required.

As far as cross tolerances go, tryptamines and phenethylamines have little to no cross tolerance with each other. Though, when taking different tryptamines or phenethylamines individually, a cross tolerance in them may appear. For example, taking many 2Cs, a phenethylamine, is not going to create a cross tolerance with taking many shrooms or hits of LSD, a tryptamine, right after. But individually, taking many 2Cs habitually and taking many shrooms or hits of LSD habitually will create a cross tolerance within' their respected classifications.

In addition, I see AMT and DMT having a cross tolerance with each other but not effecting your tolerance of 2Cs or other phenethylamines. In the same sense that 2Cs have cross tolerances with each other but not with all other phenethylamines.
 
That makes no sense. Every substance that is an agonist of the 5-HT2A receptor (most classic hallucinogens: LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, etc.) produces a cross tolerance, it's called receptor internalization. The exceptions to the rule are 5-MeO-DMT and DMT, maybe some more, but I'm not aware of them really.

Normally the 5-HT2A receptor isn't being activated, when people take psychedelics you're basically treating them with a healthy dose of shock therapy, cross tolerance is this; the receiving neuron at the end of the synapse will make sure the receptor is being pulled back in the membrane so no activity is possible, they basically just stop working because of work overload.. This whole thing is called receptor internalization.

While it may not happen that fast for some people when you're having short breaks in between, for others this is not the case and they will experience a reduction in effects.
 
That still leaves phenethylamines with no cross tolerance towards classic hallucinogens or tryptamines. They are processed differently. You're trying to explain that any cross tolerance is possible, some faster, some slower, some slight, some heavy, based on the individual. This is true and I don't disagree. I'm simply saying that cross tolerance will not be found unless there is extremely habitual abuse of hallucinogens in the same molecular classification in play. Which is basically saying you will not notice any cross tolerance that will result in the requirement of a large dosage increase unless you're doing ungodly amounts of all different kinds of phenethylamines or ungodly amounts of the same tryptamine. If there is any exception, it would be LSD as tolerance for itself grows quickly, but then again, we are talking about cross tolerance.
 
They are not processed differently all too much. They are 5HT2A agonists as well. Mescaline is a phenetylamine.
 
^ i actually agree with Hallu. if you take different substances over the course of a weekend, i believe the cross-tolerance effect will be LESS than the novelty of discovering new substances combined with the whirlwind nature of a 72-hour mind exploration.

remember that 5HT2 agonism is not the full story of these substances' effects on our minds and bodies. Some 5HT2 ligands produce no psychedelic response even though they should be potent on paper.

the whole story is that OP will probably be fine on a standard (18-22mg) dose of 2C-I even though there will be a small amount of cross-tolerance. I would think that his mind is probably quite primed to enter the psych space after LSD and aMT.

just be sure to stay safe and remember that 2C-I takes much more time to kick in than you may be used to.
 
Again, referring to receptors and inhibitors that are pertinent tolerance and effect based on substance is too technical for reality. Just because some are 5HT2 agonists doesn't mean a noticeable tolerance, in which a dosage increase is required, will be created. As I said, that would take habitual abuse of the same substance of substances in the same molecular classification over a period of time without breaks. Which is very possible, but it isn't going to happen when talking about cross tolerance from a natural tryptamine (LSD), to a non-cross tolerance phenethylamine (AMT), to a limited cross-tolerance phenethylamine (2C-I). This is also backed by the period of time he had between trips and the fact that he would have to have taken the listed three, everyday, for weeks before he would have to take an extra hit of LSD or increase his AMT or 2C-I dosage by 5mg.

Perhaps if he took 2C-E everyday for a week and then began to take 2C-I for a week, there would be a noticeable cross tolerance. And perhaps his first dose of 2C-I may be 5mg higher than what would have been needed if he hadn't taken 2C-E everyday for a week. Or perhaps, if his usual requirement for a decent trip on psilocybin is 3gs of mushrooms and he had been taking LSD everyday for a week before taking mushrooms again, then a noticeable difference will appear and an increase in the dosage of mushrooms will be required.

I also realize mescaline is a phenethylamine but it is a naturally occurring phenethylamine verses a chemically synthesized phenethylamine. The molecular compound is closer to being classified as a tryptamine as are it's effects.

I was simply breaking down that the technicality and mentioning of receptors and inhibitors is minute when considering the fact that not all of them cross with each other, and that it would take extremely dangerous measures of substance abuse, over a gaping period of time, in order to create the cross tolerance he speaks of. I have taken LSD repetitively for a week and a half and noticed extremely small tolerance increases. In fact, none appeared until after the first week. However, LSD is known to effect ones' tolerance more than most other tryptamines and phenethylamines. I've always felt this way and have never experienced any other substance that created a tolerance so quickly, of course a week and a half is still slow. And that includes binging on AMT, DMT, 2Cs, and DOCs for weeks at a time.
 
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