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lsd + 4-fmp/4-fa

Nephtys

Nephtys

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Hi,

I wanna try to combine lsd with 4-fmp/4-fa.
Has anyone experience with this combo?
Any tips on dosage and timing?

Kind Regards
 
How experienced are you with both drugs? I havent tried 4-FA, but LSD with d-amphetamine is one of my favorite combos. Depending on the amphetamine dose, it can become less of a spiritual journey and more of a hedonistic experience. The physical and emotional euphoria can be greater than either drug on its own. It's good to have something active to do (concert, walk in the woods at night, etc), since it's hard to sit down and chill with so much physical and mental stimulation.

If you're prone to anxiety with either drug, it's best to start small in terms of doses. It's important to plan ahead in terms of timing the comedown. If 4-FA lasts 4 hours, lets say, then plan on redosing once during the trip. You don't want to experience an amphetamine comedown while you're still tripping heavily. With a little planning, you can arrange it so you come down from both drugs at the same time.
 
I tripped 5x on LSD and 5x on shrooms, I also have experience with salvia, 4-aco-dmt, ketamine.
Anxiety hasn't been a problem in the past.
I haven't been tripping the last 4 months.
My lsd is approximately 200mics (tested 5 times between 130 and 210).
My experience of LSD was in the 100-200 range.
What dosage of LSD do you suggest so the 4-FA won't kill my trip?

PS: how much d-amphetamine would you take with the lsd ( and how much lsd)?
 
Amphetamine + LSD is the worst combo I have ever done I strongly urge you to reconsider.

Unless you truly believe you have no fear. This will be rough on your body, jack up your heart rate, and make your LSD trip a lot more schizophrenic.
 
Just curious, how did you test your LSD? I was under the impression it was damn difficult to quantify.

And also, since both 4-fa and LSD are stimulating the 4-fa likely wouldn't kill the trip at any dose, just the more 4-fa you add the more stimulating it will be and likely take on a distinctly different type of trip than just LSD.

I have experience with both separately, and with a few LSD+stim combos, but not this specific combo though. So take what I've said with a grain of salt.


And I don't know what m314 is saying about 4-fa lasting 4 hours. If what you have is only lasting 4 hours it's definitely not 4-fa. I had reagent tested 4-fa last 7+ hours easily. With LSD you may just want to drop the 4-fa once you feel the LSD kicking in.
 
I haven't actually tried 4-FA; I was just going from what I've read. I thought I read a report where the euphoric effects lasted 4 hours with another few hours of residual stimulation. Amphetamine duration is highly individual, though. The first time I tried dexedrine IR, I got a euphoric buzz that lasted a good 10 hours. Now it's more like 4 or 5 hours for a single dose.

Recreational doses are also highly individual, so you can't just take someone else's dose and automatically get the same effects. I personally like to take high doses of LSD, maybe 3 strong geltabs. I have no way of measuring, but I would guess that's 500 to 600 mcg. If I'm taking amphetamine with it (which is rare these days), I might take 60 or 75 mg of dexedrine spansules. The time release pills ensure that the speedy effects last about as long as the trip itself.

If you want to try it, you should definitely start out small. Take your normal LSD dose with a small dose of 4-FA (whatever's a small dose for you). Adding amphetamine might add anxiety and fear to your trip if you've only tried it a few times, so don't go overboard the first time. I lost any potential "fear" from psychedelics a long time ago, though. I had already tripped several hundred times before I tried the LSD / amphetamine combo. I actually got a lot more anxiety combining LSD with MDMA the first few times.
 
Qnick said:
Just curious, how did you test your LSD? I was under the impression it was damn difficult to quantify.

And also, since both 4-fa and LSD are stimulating the 4-fa likely wouldn't kill the trip at any dose, just the more 4-fa you add the more stimulating it will be and likely take on a distinctly different type of trip than just LSD.

I have experience with both separately, and with a few LSD+stim combos, but not this specific combo though. So take what I've said with a grain of salt.


And I don't know what m314 is saying about 4-fa lasting 4 hours. If what you have is only lasting 4 hours it's definitely not 4-fa. I had reagent tested 4-fa last 7+ hours easily. With LSD you may just want to drop the 4-fa once you feel the LSD kicking in.
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In the Netherlands it is completely legal to test your drugs in the therefore test centers. When I paid a visit to that country; I took advantage of it :)
After some research I will go for 'candy-flip timing' and drop the 4-fa after 3-4hours.
 
Oh wow, I didn't realize they could quantify LSD, damn Netherlands with all the sensible drug laws.

The candy flip timing should put you in a good spot, but just be aware 4-FA takes longer to kick in (at least in my experience) than MDMA and lasts a bit longer due to that. Basically don't plan on sleeping for at least 8-10 hours after taking the 4-fa, depending on your dose. I'm also particularly sensitive to residual stimulation though so if you're not you may be able to sleep sooner than the 8-10 hours.

And let us know how it goes, I'd be interested in hearing how the combo is.
 
I'll write a trip report afterwards :)
I'm just a little bit worried about the dosage. I haven't been tripping the last four moths and my maximum lsd xp is in the 200-300mics range.
If I drop 200mics lsd and after 3hour 120mg 4-fmp are their any chances my trip will diminish a lot?
 
Its possible it will have the sobering effect of other amphetamines but the loving warmth of 4-FA should be far preferable to meth/d-amphet and acid combo
 
I've done the combo :D Damn.... It blew me away.... :)
I had the most profound and insightful experience in my whole life.
I took 100ug lsd oral and 100ug lsd rectal, so total dosage was around 300mics oral.
After 4 hours I dropped 150mg 4-fa.
It is very close to being sober as far as your mental state, but it allows you to access all the really excellent effects of acid (music sounds great, sense of profoundness, insightfulness) and 4-fa (poise, confidence, self-love and love for others) without the downsides (the "confusion" and scariness of acid)
Almost a week later I still feel a positive afterglow. The experience almost perfected my life...
It was the best experience ever.

note: it was my first 4-fa experience and I haven't experienced MDMA yet
 
hmm... 100mic lsd rectal? why would you do that? lsd had very high bioavailability oral so 100 rectal = 100 oral... so, your actual dose this way might have been actually lower than you think.... also, few people would think of a 200ug lsd trip of being that confusing or scary so you could probably have had just that and still get a very nice experience
glad you had a nice experience though... :)
 
rectal really doubles the intensity of the experience I always learned, much faster onset and stronger experience...
Got any sources?
 
Hey, you can take 4-FA, but be wise, don't let the dragon come inside. Take 80/90mg ;)
 
I thought Lsd was phase I metabolized in the liver to O-H-Lsd (rectal skipping this part), but it can be I experienced placebo...
 
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