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LSA (Morning Glory Extraction) - Experienced

Norse Shaman

Norse Shaman

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I just recently made a two part extraction of LSA. I used naptha as a defat and then 91% ISP for the extraction that I then let evaporate. I used 40g of seeds ground into powder which is roughly 4 "heavy" doses worth. I did all of this in a dark room with only a red light to protect the lsa. I won't care to go into detail about the amounts of naptha and isp I used. I did two defat washes though and two extractions.

I took the final product, roughly 4 heavy doses, (which I wish I could measure but my micro scale has broken) and rolled it into one big ball. I split the ball in half, and then split that half in half and so on until I had an eight of the final yield. The extract of roughly 5 grams of seeds which is considered a "common" dose.

I just recently (7:50pm central time) swallowed this dose along with a beer and a clonodine (to combat the vasoconstriction) and now I play the waiting game to see if the fruits of my labors paid off.

I would like to note this isn't my first experience with LSA. The last time I majorly miscalculated the dose when making a CWE and ended up consuming 20 grams. I also used a coffee grinder to grind the seeds for the first time so it was very potent. That was one hell of a night but that story is for another time.

Almost nothing... I felt a little different like it was starting to kick in but I was also kind of tired, so taking the clonidine with a beer I ended up passing out for a good nap. I just redosed with 4 times the amount I took earlier. It's very possible that the dosages aren't the same depending on the extraction. I understand that it's difficult to get a 100% extraction, so the product I had that I thought would be 4 heavy doses may only be one. Trial and error. SCIENCE!

I'm using morning glory seeds.

I forgot to post a conclusion. It was bunk. Not the seeds, I have made extractions (of varying techniques) and have had success. I believe this time I overdid my non polar wash, destroying much of the lsa. I will be refining the process soon.

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I rubbed my woodrose seeds with a napkin and chewed them.

Once I relented and allowed by body to vomit up my feet, I felt much better and a moderately pleasant, LSD-like experience came on.

SO, two hours in? How is it?
 
Well, at least you didn't try what you thought was a 4x diluted solution and turned out to be a near-mythical 99% extract.

For the record, I had a just-pleasant time on four of the woodrose; the original gift, that I split, would have been just right. I'm guessing it's a different plant you'e using, just throwing that out.

Maybe try some ukelele music, think OK thoughts to that mildly-pleasant Hawaiian plant deity.
 
I'm trying to picture a psychedelic Louisiana. It's kind of already in that space, with swamp creatures and jazz and mini-lobsters in creeks. Oh, and you do have rodents of unusual size there, Nutria bigger than dogs.
 
A few options played out for me:
a) you were having just too good a time tripping balls to bother with the internet/figure out how to turn things on/off
b) it was bad, and you were too disappointed to " " " " " " " "
c) it was alright, but my comments on Louisiana were just too offensive to respond.

How would a non-polar wash (hexanes? terpentine?) destroy LSA, which should remain in the aqueous side? Not challenging, I just haven't bothered to look up extractions. (I'm not sure about the LSA structure, either, but it should have at least one tritratable nitrogen.)
 
Are there other plant chemicals that cause vasoconstriction? I immediately think of caffeine and cocaine, and I'm guessing there's about a billion others.
Did you have something specific in mind?
 
Scrofula said:
A few options played out for me:
a) you were having just too good a time tripping balls to bother with the internet/figure out how to turn things on/off
b) it was bad, and you were too disappointed to " " " " " " " "
c) it was alright, but my comments on Louisiana were just too offensive to respond.

How would a non-polar wash (hexanes? terpentine?) destroy LSA, which should remain in the aqueous side? Not challenging, I just haven't bothered to look up extractions. (I'm not sure about the LSA structure, either, but it should have at least one tritratable nitrogen.)
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A- I was not tripping but I was distracted by other things which ties in with B. I was disappointed and just wanted to get my mind of the time and supplies wasted.
C- Like I said, it was bunk, but I didn't find your comments offensive, but you def have a romanticized view of Louisiana. XD We do have nutra rats, but they aren't as big as I think you think. They're similar to beavers. We do have a good bit of "spooky" swamps and bayous filled with all kinds of things like poisonous snakes, alligators, snapping turtles, bears, cougers, wild boar, etc. Gators are the main theme here. Just look up "ALLIGATOR Snapping Turtle" (a sub specious of the snapping turtle) and we also have a fish called an "ALLIGATOR Gar." We're kind of like the Australia of America lol. I'm not a fan of country, but listen to "Swamp Witch" by Jim Stafford or "The Legend of Wooley Swamp" by the Charlie Daniels Band.

And LSA is very delicate so the non-polar solvent I used (Naptha) to extract the "bad stuff" would have destroyed much of the LSA because I over did it.
 
As for as other chemicals that cause vasoconstriction, I'm sure there are others on this site who would have more knowledge on that. I just know from my past experience of LSA use that it can be quite uncomfortable if you don't use a vasodilator to counter act it.
 
Hey now, I've been to Louisiana and seen those nutria galloping through the brush--like beavers, sure, but still RATS. And getting through New Orleans at night without getting ripped off is more trippy than any drug I've tried. Which is good, cause I've been to Okeefenokee too, and Florida, and you Louisian-ites have only Jazz and crawdad etouffe keeping you from their fate. You should make it a mission to destroy the Duck Dynasty guys, they're holding you back. And okra as a soup base.

I hope you have parental supervision with that naphtha. I still don't see how it would react with LSA in any way, fragile or not, but it will react with your DNA in a bad way (supposedly; the pyrene-stuff could intercalate between base pairs in a test tube, but in your body?). And heat sources. Not the best solvent since you can't know for sure what all is in it, and if you got it all removed.

I don't know why LSA-induced vasoconstriction would be uncomfortable, especially compared to all the other drugs that cause it. I mean, what are you taking to counter it? Not nitroglycerin or poppers, viagara? or something, that seems just a bit very dangerous. Don't pass out somewhere chasing rainbow nutria, like you said, there are gators.
 
Just thought: for solvents, something more refined like kerosene/mineral oil, maybe? Smaller fraction of the pretty nasty-for-health double-benzene stuff, and if you bought it intended for human use, ALL that stuff should be removed and you'd have a much more narrow spectrum of unknowns, all shortish alkanes and branches. I'm sure there's whole sites devoted to solvents available at Home Depot though.
 
Yes, Duck Dynasty is a scourge upon our culture... But we have more than jazz and etouffe going for us. Anything containing crawfish is a delicacy, and we have many dishes that incorporate it. And not to mention gumbo!

And as for as parental supervision, I'm 27! I know the dangers of it, and I am planning on switching to some form of lab grade ether instead.

And as for as the constriction, I get horrible pains in the back of my knees, making it painful to fully outstretch my legs. I've been taking clonodine to counteract it since I've been prescribed it for my ADHD/anxiety.
 
You know what I meant about supervision--now you want to swap it with something even more volatile, during a Louisiana summer. Diethyl ether boils at like 37C.

(I'm also wondering what the criteria is for "non-polar" solvents, cause ether should have a slight moment, even a tiny bit basic?) As for clonidine, that's a fascinating new drug to look at it.
 
Oh, anything "lab-grade" is going to be easier to clean up than naphtha. And ether has such a low bp, it'll be gone in under a second. I remember the few syntheses I did (not a real chemist) we just used it as a wash to remove heavier organics, just a squirt over a filter and off to get a melting point. It just means it's also more of a fire hazard, compared even to the literal lighter fluid that is the one you're using. I've run out of things, I have to give you shit for something.

I accidentally found that while diethyl ether is considered non-polar in ways, it has a moment of about 1.15. Units? I have no idea how they measure that stuff.

Oh, shit, and the indole nitrogen on LSA is never gonna get protonated, but there is the one higher up, where the LADs are modified. I have my own separate thing going on.
 
Dipole moment, which you know will be there from the seldom depicted two electron pairs on the central oxygen granting an ever so slight negative charge, on balance:

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The symbols there are lower-case deltas.
 
Would nitroglycerin tablets help counter vasoconstriction? I don't have access to anything else... perhaps Cialis but you cannot safely take nitroglycerin and Cialis together. I've always wanted to try LSA but don't want to have medical problems from it. Lucy is a bit strong and long lasting for me anymore, though I can get it and have been considering a trial of the ultra lie dose thing
Any thoughts on nitroglycerin for this?
 
Yes. Yes. So don't take them together. Also, don't pass out alone in the woods with a giant boner. That would make a bad trip.

So again, why would LSA have a stronger effect on "vasoconstriction" than LSD? How do you know that "vasoconstriction" is the source of your discomfort, and what exactly IS the discomfort? Or are you just saying your blood pressure rises and you get a headache?

I glanced at some parasympathomimetic drugs and noticed both caffeine and theobromine on the list (as well as clonidine). Theobromine is the active ingrediet in chocolate, a methylxanthine that will hurt your dog. So, hot cocoa? Also, weed. And cigarettes.

And there's the googd ol beta-blockers, the ones that end in -olol taken for high BP.

And you can get oxymetazoline nasal spray OTC, I beleive.

Finally, there's booze. Although too much can increase peripheral hypertension, but couldn't tell you how.

But then too, I'm not sure what's really happening with your blood vessels and what your physical complaints are. If it is just bad headaches, well the cyclo-oxygenase inhibitor that prevents thromboxane release that would constrict blood vessels is, well there are a few, best characterized might be acetylsalicylic acid. A close second, with known hepatic issues is N-Acetyl Para-aminophenol, or on the street as APAP.
 
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