LSA/LSH extraction results...

[x-to-tha-t]

Hi folks,

Recently did a naphtha/methanol extraction on 100 HBWR and 50 MG. The resulting yellowish brown crystalline muck was decanted evenly between two 50ml bottles of Lamb's Navy Rum. This was done, as there are countless threads strewn left, right and centre, backed up by various notable people that state that LSA will possibly become another chemical, guessed to be LSH (a much more LSD-like effect) if left in an acetaldehyde-high solution, red rum being one of these. A few attempts were made with 3-6ml 'servings', but almost no effect was seen. 2 dosages of around 18ml were administered to two separate individuals. This should have a added up to the equivalent of around 18 seeds each.

Effects found were slightly different in each case...

Subject A, who drank the liquid straight, over a period of around half an hour got some very minor OEVs in the form of extended halos around lights etc and a fairly sedated feeling. All in all, for the equivalent 18 HBWR seeds plus some MG, this seems like an incredibly mild effect. All in all, effects were back to baseline in about 7 hours, and almost not worth having done at all. Described as "at times unpleasant".

Subject B drank the liquid after adding it to Coca-Cola, at a ratio of 1 part sol'n to 3 parts coca-cola. The effects he experienced were heavy sedation and very mild disconnection of though process (however some marijuana was smoked). The sedation increased to the point where even keeping his head up appeared difficult. Almost no visuals whatsoever. Coming towards the peak of the effects, fairly heavy, uncomfortable nausea was felt, but this subsided in around 15 minutes into a requirement for a bowel movement, which turned out to be a 'phantom', but cleared any body load nevertheless. Around the same effects timings as with subject A.

Both subjects experienced extreme mydriasis, showing that something was working it's magic for a long period of time.

It's quite obvious that the LSA/LSH conversion didn't work in the slightest, but are these normal effects for an LSA 'trip'? The amount of sedation compared to the psychedelic effects seems completely out of proportion. To have taken enough to have produced a 'trip', the sedation would have been enough to have either put the subjects to sleep or at least cause them to be temporarily unable to move!

PLUR

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[pharmakos]

i agree that it doesn't seem as if there was much in the way of psychedelic alkaloids in your final product. seems as if you ended up with mostly the undesirable alkaloids that are also present in these seeds. i don't know enough about the chemistry involved to speculate further however.

have you bioassayed those HBWR seeds without extracting them to compare the effects pre and post extraction? whenever i do HBWR i either crush them up and soak them in red wine for an hour or two then swallow the whole mess, seed mush and all... or i just chew up the seeds and swallow them straight up. either way i chase with lots of green tea or water. the nausea doesn't typically get too bad for me but i have a bit of an iron stomach.

alternately you could do the sublingual thing... chew up your normal dose of seeds +33%-50% more... hold them in your mouth for awhile, but spit the mush out after like a half hour to an hour. this is supposed to reduce the nausea a lot, but i have never personally tried it.

 

[stirfry]

It sounds like you ended up with ergine (LAA, lysergic acid amide) as the primary psychoactive substance in your extraction.

While I'm not sure if the problem has to do with your extraction technique ( I have never done it), it's worth mentioning that I have gotten pretty variable results when eating morning glory seeds. Sometimes I get a nice, albeit mild, LSD-like trip including visuals (no nausea, sedation or vasoconstriction on my last trip on 8 grams of heavenly blue MG seeds). Then other times, I get primarily sedation, nausea and muscle cramping with little mental or visual effects. And of course, I have had trips where I experience both the sought after effects along with sedation, cramping and nausea.

Perhaps you should try your seeds not in an extraction. Just grind to a fine powder in a coffee grinder, and swallow.

 

[Liquid Sunshine]

LSA is the most disappointing psychedelic I've done. At low doses, not a lot happens. Mild sedation. At higher doses, it's like a moderately psychedelic unpleasant delirium.

 

[rocker97x]

lsa seems to be hit or miss, but when you get good seeds its amazing.

of all the psychedelics ive tried, some of my greatest moments have been from lsa!

 

[Mr. White]

did you test the extracted LSA WITHOUT the acetaldehyde liquid (rum), ie just added to water/vodka?
If you didnt, theres no way to tell if it was the extraction that failed or the LSH conversion.

To test the conversion you would need to:
1. consume the seeds
2. consume an equivalent dose of extracted LSA
3. consume an equivalent dose of extracted LSA + rum

If experiences 1 & 2 are similar, then the extraction worked and you can see if adding acetaldehyde does anything by comparing 2 & 3.
If 2 is far weaker/different than 1, then its obvious something went wrong in the extraction and you cant draw any conclusions from the rum + LSA test.

Get some scientific method all up in that bitch

 

[greenmeanies]

i agree. it sounds like your experience is colored by the sedative effects of alcohol.

as a chemistry major, i'm not convinced that acetaldehyde can convert LSA into LSH. it looks like LSH must be biosynthesized by the plants themselves, and will degrade into LSA as fresh seeds age and deteriorate.

plant the seeds, grow them out, and harvest a fresh fresh crop and see how that changes

 

[33Hz]

I've read that Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is produced from the seeds themselves, although not as the major component.

The main effect I get from HBWR is euphoria and warmth, although on occasion they can cause LSD like thought patterns which has lead to believe that fluctuations in the alkaloids present in the seed can produce a more trippy experience.

I've tired the peppermint extraction twice despite being skeptical of any reaction taking place, and I didn't really notice and substantially different effects. Personally, I think it's BS.

 

[AussieSWIMer]

That sucks it didnt work out for you, but on the positive it convinced me not to do an extraction for my first time which will be next week, so thanks.

I've decided too crush them up and hold them in my mouth for a good half an hour, you should give it a go as ive read it's supposed to be good for the nauesa. I'll make sure I post something about how it went.

 

[x-to-tha-t]

Thanks for the input, guys... It's all hugely appreciated.

In answer and commentary to some of your questions and points...

have you bioassayed those HBWR seeds without extracting them to compare the effects pre and post extraction?

No, the seeds haven't been tested pre-extraction; mainly due to one of the test subjects being particularly sensitive to nausea (strangely the one who didn't experience any!), and fearing wasting the experience by just throwing it back up. There are about 20 of the original batch left, so some more experiments will have to be carried out on that front. Perhaps just some LSAmonade or something.

Thanks for the advice about the red wine... I'll have to give that a shot.

did you test the extracted LSA WITHOUT the acetaldehyde liquid (rum), ie just added to water/vodka?

No, I'm afraid a little over-excitement and over-confidence on the pseudo-scientific side was experienced (just did an A/B DMT ext/rxtal and it worked perfectly first time), and the whole extraction was added to rum. Still... This should teach a valuable lesson not to go messing with processes which could screw with results when simpler tests should be carried out first.

it sounds like your experience is colored by the sedative effects of alcohol.

I can't claim to know anything of the chemistry of it, but there was no other alcohol consumed at all that day, so I would have thought that 18ml of rum would have little to no effect, unless it was directly on the chemicals present in the extraction, rather than the test subjects themselves.

Still, I may well take you up on the advice to grow a fresh crop, and see how that goes :D It's always nice to have the "I MADE that" feeling

but on the positive it convinced me not to do an extraction for my first time which will be next week, so thanks.

Glad to know others can learn from our mistakes XD

I've decided too crush them up and hold them in my mouth for a good half an hour, you should give it a go as ive read it's supposed to be good for the nauesa

A whole bunch of seeds just arrived, so I'll have to try the sublingual route at some point too. Make sure you let us know how it goes!

Thanks again for all the input, dudes! I'm already looking forward to being an active part of this forum!

PLUR

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