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LSA is ending me

Scoobysnacks said:
Lsd is a fucker as in ya can have 30 trips and do fine all the while upping ya dose and the 31st time , WHAM, ya not coming back, a guy in the year above me did exactly that, last i heard of him he was in hostel for peeps with mental issues:(
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People keep asking if I'm "stuck in a trip". I keep telling them it's not possible.
 
The way in which people get "stuck in a trip" is either, as Delsyd mentioned, due to latent schizophrenia or other mental condition coming out, or through PTSD (which is often called HPPD when psychedelics caused it). It's the same thing as when people go to war and are so traumatized by it that they can never really get back to normal... they'll randomly switch into war mode and think they're being shot at and bombed and so forth. Psychedelics can be extremely intense experiences, which means they have the potential to be extremely traumatic. But just like with war, it's in your mind. If you're able to come to terms with it, realize it was just an experience, maybe learn from it, then you won't be traumatized and you'll be fine.

Fortunately, psychedelic experiences are not like war... I think if I had gone to Vietnam for example and saw all that death and corruption and had to feel like I took part in something evil, I'd probably be fucked up too. But there is no reason at all to feel like that about a trip. It's just an experience... whatever happened, it's over now. And I can guarantee that whatever happened, there is something to learn from it. You can emerge from this experience a stronger and happier person than before. Just make sure you don't get to a place mentally where you're telling yourself you had a bad trip and that you might be messed up now. Because that could make it real to you. Instead, assure yourself of what I've said. The choice is yours how you let any experience in life, especially a psychedelic experience, affect you.

:)
 
^I thought HPPD was something completely seperate from PTSD, just a persistence of visual effects long after the drug's action is finished. I experience HPPD-like symptoms sometimes, as do some of my friends, and it isn't particularly stressful.
 
Well perhaps I spoke too definitively. My theory is that it's all the same thing though. Impactful experiences leave an impact on the mind, particularly depending on how you deal with those experiences afterwards. I always thought HPPD was characterized not just by lingering visual disturbances but by accompanying depersonalization/mental disturbances. People with PTSD from war (to go back to that example) might see war going on in the grocery store. People traumatized from psychedelics might continue to see things that they did during that experience.

I suppose I could be mistaken about the definition of HPPD though.
 
i agree with xorks definition of HPPD.
though i might say that there are two kinds: PTSD and non PTSD related.

As far as the PTSD one- soon as you realize its all in your head it becomes a lot easier to take control of. I know salvia had me thinking i was crazy for a while afterward and would never touch psychs or any drugs again, but now I am totally on the other side of it and have no lasting perceptual changes to speak of. and I also love psychs now.
 
I developed HPPD-like symptoms from heavy MDMA use. The MDMA experiences weren't traumatic (how could they be?), but I experienced visual disturbances nonetheless. Nothing major, just floaters, graininess, mild CEV when going to sleep, that sort of thing. In a similar way, I was at a festival last weekend with a friend who took acid all day for four consecutive days. He said that his vision was "funky", and that it would take a couple of weeks to go back. He wasn't bothered by it. I guess you could say that those examples aren't HPPD because there's no DP/DR, but if they're not HPPD then wtf are they?

Didn't mean to derail the thread, apologies.
 
There must be more to HPPD than simply the visuals, how could the visual effects alone affect people so badly?
 
^It isn't just the visual effects, as Xorkoth points out they're often co-morbid with depersonalisation, derealisation, PTSD-like symptoms etc. However, they aren't necessarily co-morbid with those symptoms.

From the (unsourced) Wiki page:
HPPD is a disorder characterized by a continual presence of visual disturbances that are reminiscent of those generated by the ingestion of hallucinogenic substances
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No mention of any symptoms other than visual disturbances.
The visual problems of HPPD can occur along with other mental ailments. Of these, the most prominent are anxiety, panic attacks, depersonalization disorder, and depression.
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Note that these other symptoms are not considered to be part of the HPPD, but co-existing conditions.

From the Erowid FAQ:
Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder is a long-term visual disorder caused by taking hallucinogens...
In mild cases, subjects occasionally experience minor visual distortions
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For me, the clue is in the name. It's a Perception Disorder, i.e., you perceive things in an unusual way. That alone is sufficient for HPPD.
 
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Yerg said:
I developed HPPD-like symptoms from heavy MDMA use. The MDMA experiences weren't traumatic (how could they be?), but I experienced visual disturbances nonetheless. Nothing major, just floaters, graininess, mild CEV when going to sleep, that sort of thing. In a similar way, I was at a festival last weekend with a friend who took acid all day for four consecutive days. He said that his vision was "funky", and that it would take a couple of weeks to go back. He wasn't bothered by it. I guess you could say that those examples aren't HPPD because there's no DP/DR, but if they're not HPPD then wtf are they?

Didn't mean to derail the thread, apologies.
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Well, heavy MDMA use is quite terrible for your brain. Of course, heavy use of some other psychedelics like LSD isn't, but it can still cause people to have lasting visual changes.

Personally, I have tripped hundreds and hundreds of times, including a year and a half where I tripped easily 4 times a week on average a few years back. I have never had anything resembling HPPD. I sometimes have plain white surfaces and stuff like that have static in them, but I've had that happen since I was a little kid. I think when people stare at something, after a few moments it will start to look different. We are, after all, just perceiving a bunch of particles flying around each other... it's mostly empty space that everything is made up of. So much of what we see is just the way we see it after having built up an entire set of shortcut functions in our brains to filter all the raw input data... the vast majority of what we "see" is stuff our brain has filled in because if we had to fully perceive every bit of input that came in, we'd be like a baby, unable to function very effectively.
 
pucko said:
you might wanna seek help....like real drugs or something???

just a suggestion
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What the fuck is a "real drug" to you? This had me more stimulated than cocaine, mephedrone, or anything to that effect.
 
I remember doing LSA (MG seeds - worst possible way) with a 'big time' acquaintance of ours who thought he was Jim Morrison. He was pretty skeptical about getting high off a bunch of seeds.

A few hours down the line and the guy had to be escorted home, having done nothing but whimper about his apparently-imminent death for the duration of the trip.

LSA isn't something I'd want to revisit too often, but I challenge anyone who thinks it isn't a 'real drug' to get some HBWR seeds down them on an empty stomach and see if their opinions change...
 
fuck i took 17 hbwr for my first time 12 at first then nothing happened for 2 hrs roughly then took 5 more big big mistake my brain felt like it was gonna explode i couldnt hear nothing except little ringing like i couldnt hear nothing i was running down my hallways screaming i need help i need help banging around for 15 mins then felt okay then passed out almost instantly it was crazy for 1 hour its a shame i used all of those and didnt enjoy the trip..bummer:(
 
The only remaining annoyance that appears to be linked to this experience is I'm having great difficulty differentiating dreams from reality. Small, yet vivid scenes from my dreams are being remembered as though they really happened the day before or so. :?
 
Inoxia said:
The only remaining annoyance that appears to be linked to this experience is I'm having great difficulty differentiating dreams from reality. Small, yet vivid scenes from my dreams are being remembered as though they really happened the day before or so. :?
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When that situation is reversed...then you can complain ;) lol...for theres no harm in adding memories from time otherwise wasted...

However, when days past have an ephemeral quality quite reminiscent of the dream scape...then there may be a problem

I too have also indulged in LSA...a bunch of MG seeds...spent the next 36+ hours in a state of lightheaded extreme nausea...horrible...havnt had an experience that bad since...

although various bad trips on a number of chems have expounded and compounded the negative effects into persistent anxiety/idk what other problems

Hope you feel better man
 
ya my exsperences were deff more spirutal then fun well the 1st time i did hevanly blue morrning glory seeds about 8 grams and that seemed a bit much i mean the whole sitting there and eating a plate of seeds its deff falseified as a recreational exsperence but more of a that was crap then 3 months later you end up doing em again i really havnt had much luck after the first time it seams vary tempermental and not a very good source for a drug
 
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