LSA (HBWR seeds) - First Time - ego death and total loss of reality

[Bullsquid]

HBWR seeds - First Time - ego death and total loss of reality

(Now this event is rather old , it was back in february)


Me and some friends were home at my place and we had decided to try HBW. This was the first time i've done any psychadelic drug.

Me and another guy took the seeds and put in our mouth raw , started chewing. The taste wasn't so bad that i had been told. It kinda reminded of nuts. I ate 9 seeds and the other guy 5.

Then we sat and waited for the effects to start.
The other guy started to feel sickness and when we went outside he started to puke. I didnt feel any sickness at all just feeling kinda weird in a way that i cant really explain.

We want back to my place again and started to watch a movie ... i then began to feel very sleepy so i sat in the bed and almost fell asleep - This was about 2 and a half hour after i had eaten the seeds.

Suddenly i woke up at once with a rush trough my whole body and mind. The world had suddenly chaged and i remeber touching every surface including my friends shirt cause i felt everything was so beautiful and so very different to touch.

I felt i just had to go outside to explore it further.
The other guy that were feeling sick before now went home so it was just me and 2 other friends and we went to the store in a nearby gas staion.

When i went inside the lights and different smells gave me a complete rush of happiness and everything just seemed beautiful

We then went home to one of my friends and i remeber lying in his bed and feeling so extremly happy. I tried to tell them how wonderful it felt but i couldn't make out any words.

After around 40-50 mins we decided to go back to my place.

This is where i began to trip real intense.
In the elevator my friends bodys seemed warped and their faces were all messed up.

I didnt feel good so i laid down in the bed.
Then i began to hallucinate real hard.
My body felt like liquid and i had very unpleasant hallucinations of my eyes feeling wet all the time and when i tried to dry them with my fingers it just dissapeared and then came back.

I told the other friends to leave me and only one of them who had tried HBW before should stay and try to calm me down cause now i was tripping so hard i could barely tell what was real.

I was really loosing it. At this stage i was yelling "help! i don't know whats real anymore!" As if it weren't bad enough already, my mom who had been home the whole time heard me and came in and wondered what was going on.

She realised i had taken some kind of drugs and were yelling at me.
I finally made her leave the room and my friend tried again to calm me down , wich surely wasnt easy.

I wasnt sure of where and who i was and i couldnt keep my eyes open. My friend told me this was only temporarily and would wear off in a couple of hours.

But i could not focus on the aspect of time anymore.
How long was a minute or an hour? i couldn't tell.

I wasnt sure if i was talking or only thinking. It seemed like i had been there in the bed for days. Bad waves of fear and paranoia was filling my poor mind.

What i experienced next felt like i would go on forever and i could not take it anymore... i just wanted to be normal again.

After what seemed like complete endless horror i was finally beginning to come down
I was back in reality more or less.

Later on i could feel it wearing off and i just lied in the bed and talked to my friend. Eventually i felt like i was able to sleep but i still had some slight visual hallucinations...after maybe 10-20 min i felt sick and went out to the bathroom to puke.

After that i felt much better and could finally go to sleep.


I would not try these seeds again .. they were too much for me.
I didn't want anything so intense and the worst part was that i felt the extreme horror and panic wich seemed to last for an eternity.

Be careful with these seeds. I'm not saying that they're bad cause some people has found them positive, but be sure to use a good set and setting. I did not have a good setting and the fact that my mom was home made it alot worse.

 

[bluedolphin]

LSA certainly has a dark side that comes out more often than most psychedelics. I've always thought that LSA makes up for having less visuals than LSD by screwing with your mind twice as much. It can be fun, but it can also induce temporary psychosis (I've seen it happen).

But you did take a big dose, especially your first time. A lot of people consider HBWR to be a "partial trip", but now you know why people who know better would probably not recommend HBWR as your first trip.

Thanks for the report

 

[Summer of Love]

if you ever decide to take the seeds again, id recommend smoking some weed(preferably an indica strain if you want to loosen up the headfuck a bit) after ingestion and during the peak. smoking after ingestion takes the edge off of the come up, and smoking during the peak greatly increases visual activity, but in my experience makes the unique and sometimes overwhelming headfuck a lot more bearable and pleasant by putting the usual weed "cloud" over my mind.

oh, and 9 obviously potent seeds is a little steep for a first time tripper, dont you think? my first full blown experience with ergot alkaloids was after several years of psychedelic use, and i still found the headfuck to be quite overwhelming, just because of the extreme clarity of it all.

Blue, i know what you mean about the experience seeming dark, but i just see it as being more of a serious trip, not nearly as euphoric as say, mushrooms, and it just fluctuates so much that i cant just do one thing or be one place and be satisfied. if i stay in 1 place too long on LSAs, i always get caught up in one of those infamous spirals of very fucked up thoughts. Take some shroom style journies next time, its definately interesting!

goddamn, time to stop blabbering and put the bong down.

peace

 

[trippinspirals]

I enjoyed reading your report.

With my experience LSA was kind of a half trip. I am sorry your trip was so rough.

I dont know how shrooms will be for you, because I feel they are a lot more euphoric, but for me they have a lot more potential to be negative because of the emotional intensity of them, and they have a lot more push than LSA did.

Granted it was your first time tripping.

Try to stay away from your parents, unless they know you are tripping and are comfortable with it (and give you good vibes) then they will make you trip hell. Also, I know its fucked up how long some trips last, and your first couple times you may start thinking you will neverbe normal again. Just remember its a matter of time, you will of course be normal again. Relax and wait. DXM pure powder was some shit that just wouldnt go away, I never thought I would be normal again.

 

[Bullsquid]

Thanks for your advice.

Too bad the euphoric feeling only lasted until the visual effects kicked in
It would have been great to have all the visuals togheter with the euphoria.

Well im looking forward to trying shrooms , i will start low and be sure to have a nice setting. It will turn out good i hope.

Considering weed , it's not exaclty something i have around and it's not very easy to come by for me either , but i've heard it's good for "calming down" other drugs. I've also heard it would add an overall good feeling when you're on other drugs so i would love to have some when i try shrooms.

 

[trippinspirals]

ive never smoked weed while on shrooms and never found the need to

I am either tripping fine and dont need it to feel good, or overwhelmed and in that case I dont need to be higher

I can only see weeds use as a booster if you are like tripping a little less than you would like.

I smoked weed while on some pretty weak acid, and it made the effects much better (although still not what I would have liked them to be)

 

[Splatt]

Good report!
Obviously these seeds are not for everyone, so people looking for a "legal high", think twice before taking a large dose of these.

 

[paxus]

I've done a good deal of LSA in my time, examining the trips each time. Going to sleep and waking up in the peak can be the best thing someimes, there's no slow out of control edge to it. Take it easy with food and moving about too much. Weed can definetly help in alot of ways, also makes this trip a bit stronger. Out of the advice i can give ya, definetly don't do this alone. That can send ya in the wrong direction very easily. If you feel yourself going out of your head, get some warm milk and just settle in with some chill music you're very comfortable with. Good report. BTW, parents+tripping=not fun most of the time. My dad's fun to talk to the day after though. -p@xus

 

[Morninggloryseed]

People frequently dismiss or underestimate what these seeds can do on account of them being 'legal.' Morning glory/woodrose seeds can be powerfully psychedelic, as you found out. I always found 6 was plenty for me. I've gone higher, much higher actually, but in the end 6 is just the right dose.

God, it's been years since I've tried any M.G./woodrose seeds. It feels like they are starting to call me back again. I always had the best trips with the woodrose seeds. I don't like morning glory as it's just too much material to eat. The trips are relatively the same, with the woodrose seeds being a little more sedating.

Other than the vomiting in the begining, I never had any unpleasant side-effects from woodrose seeds. None of the muscle cramping many complain about. I'm glad. Some of my best trips ever were with these seeds. They will always be a favorite ally of mine.

 

[psilosara]

my first trip was also with HBWR and i also took rather too many. i was eating them with my boyfriend, who had tripped on lsa maybe a few times before, and we took 6 to start then dosed up when we got impatient. i upped my dose another 4 or 6 seeds, i don't remember exactly, [big mistake!] and wasn't able to puke for another 6 hours or so even though the intensity of the visual and body high waves were unpleasant. i have always enjoyed the come up because i can get used to the mindfuck that builds [i can't imagine what it would have been like to wake up when i was peaking, which was long after i thought i was peaking =Þ ], but the experience can be even easier i think if you puke after digesting the lsa. my boyfriend was able to puke just an hour or two after eating the last seeds and his trip was much more calm and tolerable than mine [even though he did take less than me]. i stayed up for hours alone in between sleep and consciousness with unrelenting glorious visuals that really freaked me out. after i puked though, the trip also resided at least enough for sleep.

lsa doesn't seem to me now as the best introduction to psychedelics, especially with too large a dose. the lsa experience seems definitely influenced by setting and preparation as well.

so anyway, good luck with the mushrooms! my first time with a half eighth was perfect and smoking weed during the trip can be fun and helpful with nausea, or completely unnecessary, but i've found that smoking a teeny bowl early can accelerate the trip.
peace =)

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Morning glory seeds were the first psychedelic I took (hence the name), and I had a fantastic time. I think they make a good introductory psychedelic, provided you take a reasonable dosage and don't mind vomiting. I've given them to three others for their first trip and they each had positive experiences. I guess it just depends on the person, set, setting, and how prepared you are for the experience the seeds have to offer. And again, taking a reasonable dosage is key as with any psychedelic.

 

[paxus]

morninggloryseed: we'll have to write a HBWR faq one of these days, heh. Yeah its been one of my favorite psychedelics, it has quite a few subtle layers that show in varying amounts on different trips. I've taken some time off from them myself. I'd definetly agree that 6 is a nice amount for someone's first time.

psilosara: Yeah taking another amount after ingesting a first amount is somewhat of a bad idea. At least i've had trouble with it in the past, leads to just not being able to get back to baseline for hours. That and the second dosage usually keeps me somewhere between sleep and disassociation. (the john malkovich effect)

 

[blacklabel]

No doubt, we should write a HWBR faq. I did these not long ago. It was my first trip. Well... I had done shrooms before, maybe 2-2.5grams, but it was a lot different. More visual wavy kinda shit, lotsa laughing and stuff, but not the mindfuck, stimulant, or major euphoria like these seeds did. I made a thread here about it in here... I think 10 seeds was a bit high for a first time , but one of the friends I did it with isn't into other drugs cept weed and alcohol and he handled 10 alright. We were all real fucked up! We told some of our friends about these legal beauties, and at 50 for $10, one of them ordered some up and tripped hard as hell he said. We sold the remaining 21 to 3 friends who split them, but these guys had tripped many many times so it wasn't that intense for them. A female friend did 5 of them and felt it pretty good too. I wanna do some of these puppies again!

When I had pretty much lost it during the trip (maybe 2.5hrs after ingestion) and was in the bathroom for 30+min, puking violently as HELL some of the time, ALL I wanted to do was feel normal. I tried convincing myself but still didn't feel ok. I thought "I'm NEVER doing these again". Then once I was out and feeling better I thought "next time I'll do a little less". But now... I'm thinking 10 again :D

 

[Morninggloryseed]

We told some of our friends about these legal beauties,

The seeds may be legal to sell for growing purposes, but they are illegal (in the U.S.A.) to get high off of as they do contain a schedule 3 substance (LA-111 or lysergic acid amide.) If you sold these seeds ground up, or in any way that suggests they will be used for their psychoactive properties, you could theoretically be arrested.

 

[sparkle_jez]

"God, it's been years since I've tried any M.G./woodrose seeds. It feels like they are starting to call me back again."

Tell me about it!!!!!

I'm thinking about revisiting them after reading all the reports here!! It's bought back some memories, good and bad.

I completely agree with bluedolphin about LSA being rather 'dark'.
When I first started doing them a few years ago I did them alone because all my friends just thought they were 'herbal highs' and just laughed at me for trying them!!!! Fools!!
Morning glory seeds were the first psychedelic I tried, because I couldn't get hold of anything else at the time.
The first time I tried it was by myself in my room at night time. It completely blew me away, but I also had some pretty awful trips on the stuff. I've experienced temporary psychosis on them. Once I was having such an awful trip, where I was hearing demons screaming at me inside my head, that at one point I actually considered killing myself to end it. Very nearly did slit my wrists!! And i don't think I have ever really properly recovered from that.

I came to learn that set and setting is absolutely vital with LSA due to the extreme mindfuck I tend to get!!! I had to start planning trips with military precision!!!

Despite this, LSA can be extremely enlightening. I've had some very cool trips that i'll no doubt post in the future!!!!

Good to see that LSA is getting the respect it deserves!!!!

But a good introductory psychedelic!!!??? No way!!!! Start with something less mental and less potential for psychosis!!!! I would honestly say that I think something like a low dose of 2-CI would make a good introductory psychedelic. Easier on the mind, but for me lots of cool colourful visuals!!!!

Just my opinion though!!!

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I can't say I've found anything particularly 'dark' about lysergic acid amides. Perhaps this feeling has to do with set and setting. The seeds have always been friendly to me.

 

[fb1]

All psychedelics should be respected, regardless of chemical structure. They have the capacity for such immense power, all you can really do is respect them...

An experience to learn from.

Too much man.. you took too much...

 

[azealone]

I did three seeds the first tiem i did them and i thought the experience was amazing.. the most I've ever done was 5 and that was incredible.. I get the feeling seeds people are describing are weaker than the ones i get unless im just a proper lightweight... at reading I did 3 seeds and a jube and it was the best drug combination i have ever done.. i think ecstacy and seeds make a great combination (I have never done acid)

 

[paxus]

I've done seeds on the tail end of a roll once, that was an incredible experience, very very much like candyflipping. We'll have to make a new term for it. Sandyflipping? suggestions?
Acid and seeds is another fun combination. I'd definetly not suggest to everyone to try it, as it can be a little overwhelming. Anybody have any other combinations with seeds?

 

[DJAngrE]

i think marijuana seems to be the most common drug to add to the experience because it helps relieve nausea at the same time as potentiating the effect of the LSA. This combination might become a little heavy on the body (load) however, so titrate slowly imo.