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Lowest toxicity psychedelics?

coolcucumber

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Am trying to be more healthy, and was wondering what the healthiest hallucinogens are?

I'm guessing that psilocybin has gotta be up there.
 
Mushrooms indeed, and I have to add 4HO-MET, whilst unresearched, gives me virtually no bodily discomfort, so I assume this is pretty safe too. Never sure though !
 
Nope, mescaline has some load on the body. It's fairly safe to take but high doses have apparently shown effects on the liver and resp. system. I don't really want to go into it since it's so damn hard to find a number to go with that info but let's just say it's high on this list but not number one.

Mushrooms may contain things that can wreak a little bit of body havoc (not too much though), but pure synthetic psilocin sounds like one of the winners to me. 4-HO-tryptamines feel like the least toxic ones anyway.

Also LSD is quite safe, but like DMT it can have some effects that have outrageous potency and the intensity can be too much. Psychologically that is really not always the most safe / non-toxic thing. Of course high doses of psilocin can do the same things.

I wouldn't vote for injected or smoked DMT because of how it boosts bloodpressure and heartrate which is potentially harmful to very sensitive people.
 
Physiologically, LSD/psilocin are probably the "safest". Most psychedelics are fairly safe physiologically until you exceed the reccomended dose.

It's a lot easier to list what psychedelics are considered "toxic"/"heavy" -
5-MeO-DMT/AMT (esp. 5-MeO-AMT)
high dose mushrooms/LSD
oral DMT with a MAOI
DOx series
most of the more potent 2Cs
LSA
BOx series

Just off the top of my head those are the big names in rough body load.
 
Agreed but I didn't think the body load for LSD became rough when I got around and past 800 micrograms. Any reason to say it becomes heavy or ugly at multi milligram doses? Or is it possible the amount of degradation product starts playing a role, which I think I have experienced already with bad quality acid at lower doses - whatever the case it felt like I would not be able to pull a multiplication factor of a dose of stuff like that. Yikes.

Going overboard with some fresh liquid coming from proper crystal? I'm skeptical it yields a body load like 2C-E could give, or 5-MeO-AMT from what I read.
DPT is also on the shitlist for me. Wonderful compound but it really roughs me up a bunch.
 
With the 2C's, my understanding is that the thioalkyls are worse than the alkyls which are worse than the halogens.

Incidentally DET in particular of the tryptamines can get very intense very fast and there might be some concerns there and with its cousins DPT and DiPT. DMT itself has high 5ht2b activity, which is bad; it's just hard to get that much DMT into your system under ordinary conditions. Nicotine overdoses are rare for a similar reason. As a class the tryptamines don't end up looking too safe, but the 4-subs are among the most innocuous compounds around. Presumably hydroxylation at 4 decreases affinity for a certain anti target-- better yet, it may alter the ways the drug is distributed in the brain.

The nbome's don't look too bad; except for some idiosyncratic hypersensitivity, which is weird for such selective ligands. The only overdose on an nbome was just a crazy high dose; it's probably unrelated to the hypersensitivity some people experience. I don't think anyone is sure what the problem is, but I'd still guess them to have a higher therapeutic index than most 2c's or tryptamines. At the potency of nbome's, though, the therapeutic index doesn't absolve these compounds from the simple and very real handling concerns associated with such potent compounds. Most people who have accesss to lots of 25i powder are not of the sort that traditionally would have been able to mess around with lots of acid.
 
Or is it possible the amount of degradation product starts playing a role, which I think I have experienced already with bad quality acid at lower doses

There is LSD 25 or something that isn't LSD 25 at all, there is no such thing as Bad LSD 25, so it must have been a different substance/compound as far as I understand it.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Lysergic acid & esters are peripherally active, strong vasoconstrictors. Ergotamine is too. Lysergic acid amide (LSA) & ethyl amide (LAE) are less psychoactive than LSD but strong vasoconstrictors.

I believe iso-LSD and lumi-LSD are inactive as psychedelics but active as vasoconstrictors too,
 
One misconception that people often have: natural does not mean less toxic. Some of the most potent toxins in existence are from natural sources.

As mentioned above, body load often originates from the drug binding to intestinal 5-HT receptors. It's kind of like a gastric hallucination - it doesn't indicate toxicity.
 
If one is trying to be healthier then acute toxicity is not what we should really be looking at. There is no chronic tox data for 99% of psychedelics, but I'd say it's probably healthier than walking down a city street.
 
I have to add 4HO-MET, whilst unresearched, gives me virtually no bodily discomfort, so I assume this is pretty safe too.

Would just like to add the second time I did HO-MET I had a crazy irregular heart beat. I will agree that the compound is very friendly in nature but it was very alarming when this happened.
 
Generally speaking the 4-HO & AcO tryptamines are quite innocuous physically. LSD also has a very wide therapeutic index. Regardless you should always test a small amount to make sure you don't have AB idiosyncratic reaction. I know 2c-d has been trialled into the 100's of mg's without issue. I'd assume 2c-c has a similar safety profile, but that's pure speculation on my part.
 
It seems so far that any tryptamine based psychedelic usually has a very low toxicity, while phenylethylamine based psychedelics have risks much closer (relative to tryptamines) to the common recreational dose.

That's what I've noticed so far, but have nothing backing it up.
 
Would just like to add the second time I did HO-MET I had a crazy irregular heart beat. I will agree that the compound is very friendly in nature but it was very alarming when this happened.

You can't really self-diagnose something truly allarming like a heart arrythmia while tripping. If it's a tripped out version of a palpitation, you can get that from psilocin as well and there is no reason to be afraid of it except for maybe the lottery chance you get very suddenly frightened to death (probably a heart attack would be the actual thing to kill you), it can be potentiated by the experience but it's rather by association or correlation and not direct morbid consequence.
 
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