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Low doses Ketamine: what to expect

hawaii

hawaii

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I just got a 1g bag of pure and tested S-Isomer Ketamine and I want to start taking it little by little.
I don't what to hole the first time. Althought I have some psychedelic experiences (mystical moments, light visions etc) I think the K-hole would be too overwhelming the first time and I have no experience with K.

I would like to start with a low dose and put some music I love. I'm considering Plastikman / Aphex Twin or maybe something more warm and housey like Theo Parrish and Moodymann. What do you suggest?

About the K effects, what will I expect with, say, 20-40mg?
I read S-Isomer is more potent than racemic Ketamine.
 
Off balance, so you don't want to move too much. Usually lying down and listening music/watching something gives the best experience. Not really psychedelic, except that you might feel something like being in a movie if you're watching one for example. I don't like listening to music while on K, the music just feels kind of distant but watching something is definitely more intense.
 
I totally love music on K, especially on not too high doses.

FRom 20-30 mg i would expect just some general wellbeing and mood lift with a gentle touch of sensory sharpening.
From 40-70 mg i wuould expect a distinct sense of wellbeing and discrete euphoria, slight imbalance gentle perceptual distortion(shapes distances) and a pronounced sense of dreaminess/psychedelia
 
Racemic ketamine is sociable and stimulating at low doses but I attribute that mostly to the R-isomer. If you have the S-isomer, well I personally prefer that but it is not really that stimulating IMO, like S.A. suggested. Rather sedating actually. But very euphoric, woozy and smooth.
 
S-isomer is hardly more potent than racemic Ketamine in terms of how "fucked up" you get.

The R-isomer actually contributes greatly to the euphoric, sociable aspect of it. And also makes for a more vivid K-Hole.

Racemic is best, IMO.

But S-isomer is smoother overall, less energizing (and also less euphoric), but euphoric indeed in its own right. Easy enough to hole on but don't expect to be able to use half the dose of racemic and hole, it's not like that. You'll need almost as much, and the hole won't last as long.
 
I really thought S was twice as potent as a dissociative by weight as R though (i.e. NMDA affinity)... which would make the needed dose 2/3 that of racemic, theoretically.
However, I would agree that it is not as simple as that: with racemic there is some atypical synergy from the combination of the isomers, the effects both bring to the table complement each other in ways: the S provides the basis of the dissociation while R enhances cognitive disruption and interesting distortions to 'fill' up the hole with interesting mental content. It also probably helps prevents amnestic / anaesthetic effects, by keeping things more lucid.
Not sure what you mean by 'makes for a vivid K-hole', BD, I would disagree that you can hole good at all on the R-isomer (it reminds me more of the up&go manic side I hear of PCP descriptions), but yes R as component of racemic does make things more vivid, that I'd agree to.

Don't mean to plummet this thread deep into isomer discussion, there is already endless back and forth going in the subthread on it.

For music I recommend just music you like in general, tracks that mean something to you and help you trigger things by emotional memory association, and also I recommend challenging weird stuff and Aphex is an excellent example of that. Check out vaetxh, chris clark, syl kougai, roel funcken, hecq, jon hopkins and alva noto!
 
I am not lucky enough to have tried different isomers of k, here people give many names to k, there's indian K, obi wan K etc but i really suspect its all just simple racemic K.
Solipsis, so you have experimented the different isomers, what were they like? Do you have tried even pure R-isomer or just in combination with S in the racemate? I dont mean to go off topic but can you please explain it better, at least by giving us a link to you experience record?

thanks
 
Not that I won't explain my thoughts on the matter, it's just that I have already done that multiple times and you can read it in this subthread. :)

Yes I tried the pure R-isomer separately as well although it is the only type I never IM'ed. It's all in there.

I guess Indian K is just from India where there is manufacture on large scale, generally meant for the pharmaceutical industry but at night a part is siphoned off / diverted for the black market apparently. Obi Wan K sounds like a childish street name. I don't do street names, I find them to be immature and distracting, it puts drugs in a bad daylight IMO like advertising or acting like they are toys. Sorry, no hard feelings.
 
Look for a nice body high, a slightly altered vision modality (sharpness and "plastic" appearance to objects in the room). Mentally you should stay pretty baseline but memory may be difficult as the experience continues. The S-isomer will keep things smooth / stable and you should be able to slowly re-dose (if you wished) with accuracy.
 
For me low doses numb the brain and make your sober observer consiousness separate from your wonky body, a feeling very similar to the effects of alcohol. Depending on the K you will feel euphoric, I find it I haven't done it in a while I feel a bit uncomfortable with the experience until I get used to the effects again.
 
thanks solipsis for the link. I think the same thing as you regarding street names of drugs, they just seem so stupid!! that was the disappointment i was talking about when i said that people only use those stupid names, but i guess that is because the general population is not very well informed in chemistry and pharmacology as most of us bluelighters are, so dont worry i dont mind bout the tone of your post, i instead agree with what you said.

Yes growit i find the same thing for me, i have to get used again to the effects of the drug if i dont use it for a while or otherwise it can get a little dysphoric, but after two three times i use it, BAM! the magic comes back!!
 
is it safe alone to do a low dose bump?
i think i'll lye in my bed with some music on the headphones
 
Yep, it is safe to do alone. I really enjoy the lower doses, I would normally go for about 2x20mg 10 minutes apart. You're pretty functional at that level still, so you needn't lie in bed if you'd rather go for a walk or whatever.
 
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