Does amphetamine induce appetite in low doses (5mg max) for anyone else? I find this quite fascinating, since it's one of the most efficient appetite suppressants in higher doses. Seems it does this by attenuating my depressive symptoms which include an almost total loss of appetite. I wonder if I'm alone with this...
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Low dose amphetamine and appetite
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ErgicMergic
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Yes, dextroamphetamine greatly increases my appetite, even at doses of 7.5mg IR with booster doses every two-three hours, leading to 15-17.5mg some days, which is certainly high enough to suppress appetite in most users. It also allows me to focus on my food and not zone out with a half eaten sandwich while watching a good movie or something else mentally engaging, then noticing it 30 minutes later.
I think it's more that it unskews my time perception from severe inattentive ADD, so instead of zoning out and getting hyperfocused on some random internet website for 6 hours straight in the mornings still in my pajamas and having not even showered yet, I have a better grasp of time. I just know when to eat based on my own schedule, which is eating a meal every four hours for metabolism and health. Without amphetamine, I have to use the clock to eat, or else I'll totally forget to eat and not eat for 7 hours or so. I haven't been hungry for a couple of years now, since I eat so often. Getting hungry or thirsty just means that your body is starting to tell you that you're beginning to starve or become dehydrated.
I think it's more that it unskews my time perception from severe inattentive ADD, so instead of zoning out and getting hyperfocused on some random internet website for 6 hours straight in the mornings still in my pajamas and having not even showered yet, I have a better grasp of time. I just know when to eat based on my own schedule, which is eating a meal every four hours for metabolism and health. Without amphetamine, I have to use the clock to eat, or else I'll totally forget to eat and not eat for 7 hours or so. I haven't been hungry for a couple of years now, since I eat so often. Getting hungry or thirsty just means that your body is starting to tell you that you're beginning to starve or become dehydrated.
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
I'd say that at lower-ish doses I enjoy eating as much as I normally would, maybe even a bit more. Not really an appetite stimulant though.
Once you get into medium/high (normal theraputic/recreational doses), however...the desire to eat anything is just gone.
Once you get into medium/high (normal theraputic/recreational doses), however...the desire to eat anything is just gone.
ErgicMergic
Bluelighter
What is a "normal therapeutic" or "recreational dose," NT?
I think people with real ADD who take under 20-25mg dex on a daily basis shouldn't get appetite suppression, as it makes no sense on a neuronal level. If low prefrontal cortex DA levels are pushed past normal transmitting levels and in to abuse/euphoric levels, then yes, that would definitely be the case.
I think people with real ADD who take under 20-25mg dex on a daily basis shouldn't get appetite suppression, as it makes no sense on a neuronal level. If low prefrontal cortex DA levels are pushed past normal transmitting levels and in to abuse/euphoric levels, then yes, that would definitely be the case.
This does not belong to BDD, dear sir. People will be severly confused. I do tend to get hypomanic at doses of 3-5mg of the phosphate salt (in in such small doses, I only use it orally at higher doses). This happens only after the plateau effects (if you can call em that) wear off for some reason though and will last until ~30h after administration which makes dosing amphetamine a real challenge.
Regarding your first post, ErgicMergic:
Whoohoo I'm not bonkers then. Wait, I still am. Nonetheless though, I can really see myself in what you are describing. I am unsure if an add diagnosis would be appropriate, eventhough I could easily diagnose me with this syndrome according to ICD-10 and DSM-IV. I'm starting to realize that the bipolar I is much more an issue. 2 Psychiatrists and 1 psychotherapist have disagreed to an add diagnosis before as well while the all diagnosed me as depressed.
My attention often is everywhere in the room at once, I hear people talkign 10 conversations around me at the same time and hear every word, but I can't follow none of them, it takes 10min to read a single page, words make no sense sometimes they just pass by me, benzodiazepines have paradox effects. Still bipolar I and occ would account for all those symptoms (and all the others that I'm battling). Not sure what to make of add itself, since everyone tells me I'd have it and I see many people respond very well to ritalin and amphetamine, but I don't fully fit into the scheme eventhough so many criteria apply. I'm not an expert on the subject of add though...
But that's ot, I am glad to hear I'm not the only one and also very glad to hear the same mechanisms seem to be responsible for the both of us to some degree. There's always various ways at looking at things, you are explaining it through your attention deficite, I'm explaining it through another meaningless "disease" which we can't understand for shit. Still the phenomena you describe are very familiar to you.
These damn categorizations can really limit the way you think about the human mind and what can go wrong with it on so many levels. It sometimes seems that many psychological illnesses are much closer, have a much more fluent transition to one another than the diagnosis catalogues could fully appreciate. Then again, I guess those are just trying to provide ways to understand and treat these disorders which doesn't tell us at all what the hell is really going on in inexplicably sick minds or souls. I personally have a tendency to a whole load of neurotic and psychotic disorders. In depressed people it seems there is just 1 disease which could be called sadness or including bipolars emotional (affective) disorder. Still every person is completely different from the next patient even if they respond to the same treatment, not only on the level of personal experience, but also on a molecular level. It's very similar with every disease, but in psychiatric cases it seems we are lightyears away from understanding them the least bit. Cancer is pretty much an open book for the most part (excluding successful selective/side effect free treatment) compared to this shit.
Omg I'm ranting again, sorry folks.