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Love, physically about average girlfriend and whether to settle down?

laVoix

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Almost 5 years in the long term relationship...
I still remember the beginnings and excitement of the process of hooking up with my gf. Because for me, it was actually a process. Done on purpose, after careful planning, building up an appropriate image after what can be considered more or less particular childhood, for the sake
of having a girlfriend finally, because my best college mate has one, and my cousin told me to get one and my grandma' also asked me when I plan to get one. Not that I didn't want it, on the contrary I wanted it so much, so I can show her off and indulge in one completely new world of exploration, physical and mental, get to know about all those things the relationships teaches you, about people, desires, problems, get to know also that other side my mates already 'tasted' being in relationships since the high-school days.
The girl was incredible, we met in a bar, with an international career ahead of her and parents who earn much more than local average. Everyone was envying me and at least for a moment, my desires seemed to be fulfilled.

But as the time went on, I got to know more about her, met her parents...the story started to sound less and less ideal. Somehow I've lost respect for them all, just based on stories and observations in addition to apparent (lack of) logic in their various actions, the money was not that great either, just spending with zero capital, inability to be self-sufficient even in simplest everyday tasks, her like "I forgot my towel, please bring it to me, take care you", day after day.
I also wanted someone to push me further and share my Darwinistic and pro-competitive views on the world, but she is all about just cuddling and spending time quietly and slowly...And the fast-paced, competitive world, does not tolerate that. How we are to prosper and develop ourselves if we spend 6 hours cuddling after sex?? Gym, study, jobs, trainings, personal intrests, news briefings, errands...time for all that?

But the thing that hurts me the most day after day for the last few years is her left shoulder...it's a little bit lowered compared to other, due to a small spinal deformation. Nothing too serious, but still visible. I don't exactly know when did I notice that, might be that I even never noticed during the first month(s) or so and actually she pointed out it to me. But ever since, I am looking at that "flaw" and eating myself in grief why I need to have a "defective" (in a lack of better word) girlfriend. I mean, when I look on the street some cute girls, walking with wide even shoulders, or on the TV shows...not all of them are cute, but those who are and also do not have this particular defect, I find very attractive and I spend hours in grief just silently looking at my gf while she is cleaning around the kitchen...Observing that particular flaw of her and not even listening to what she is saying, I just tell her to straighten the shoulders. She does it temporary, but after a minute or so again reverts to the same, flawed image which sends shrivels up my spine.

Somehow, in bed, everything seems perfect. Just like in the magazines, smooth skin with some imperfections she promised to solve with a doc's visit, but otherwise the strange "deformity" (asymmetry) I was mentioning is not visible. Thus the sex is great always, and I almost forget about the whole thing...And then here it is again...she gets out of bed to fetch something and yes, it's clearly visible, the shoulders are slightly asymmetric. And the problem is that the freaking thing is not easy, if possible at all, to fix even with surgery.

And then I turn on the TV or go out and see other couples and guys with more attractive girlfriends and all I can feel is only grief and the feeling that I am just a mediocre, stupid and insignificant guy with a 'flawed' (i.e. also mediocre) girlfriend, I feel just like shit going out.
I cannot draw any value or any significant social proof from her also due to her behavior, she is simply not that type of alfa-female.
Or maybe it's just my subjective feeling and pursuit for physical perfection, maybe other guys find her very attractive indeed, maybe she has overall the very best collection of qualities one can find? But how to be sure about that? How to make sure that she is really a valuable object of desire of others, that she is worth keeping compared to getting some other girl?
She at least tells me that she loves me, how do you value that? Overall, what is the formula according which one can value a girlfriend, give it a specific measure, rank and number behind?

I am in love with quality and excellence, with the best of the best...pretty much like the desires of other guys, everyone wants the best (also the best looking) girlfriend in the world.
If I pursue other options, I might lose this one and end up worse off, or I might very well be better off after eventually finding a more suitable one. Tough choice, no? My logic is that a man never ditched an average Chrysler and decided to go by foot instead until he can buy (have) the most luxurious Mercedes. So I believe that ditching a gf just because of a few flaws would be imprudent at least, given the lack of better opportunities and given the effort needed to find a better one. Opinions?
 
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Okay honestly?
That whole paragraph on her being 'flawed' because her shoulders aren't perfectly aligned made all my potential compassion for you evaporate into thin air and is making me lean more towards the opinion that you're a bit of a jerk.
If you can't get past one tiny thing about her physical appearance that you don't like, I think you need to take a look at yourself. Maybe you're afraid of commitment so you're finding all the possible excuses to break up with her.
Why the hell does it matter whether or not other people find her attractive and why do you have to compare her with everyone? You know, she might also like to be having sex with Brad Pitt. I mean I never found each of my ex-boyfriends 200%, unequivocally attractive, but why should I care since I thought they were attractive overall. I wasn't going to focus on the fact that I don't know, one of them had a freckle I didn't like. I mean come on.

Now if you feel unhappy with her because you think she's 'bringing you down' or stopping you from fulfilling your goals in life, that's another thing. I'm assuming you've talked to her about it (if you haven't, well, you should). If despite discussions she hasn't changed and you don't feel happy with her, maybe you should break up with her. I don't actually think you said whether or not you're happy with her overall. You're nitpicking, focusing on tiny details and treating her as a bit of an object (I'm sorry, women aren't cars. You can't just 'trade us in' for a better model).
Maybe actually it would do you good to be single to realize you need to treat others with more respect.

If you're happy with her, stay with her. If you're not and don't see that changing in the foreseable future, don't.
 
Okay honestly?
That whole paragraph on her being 'flawed' because her shoulders aren't perfectly aligned made all my potential compassion for you evaporate into thin air and is making me lean more towards the opinion that you're a bit of a jerk.
If you can't get past one tiny thing about her physical appearance that you don't like, I think you need to take a look at yourself. Maybe you're afraid of commitment so you're finding all the possible excuses to break up with her.
Why the hell does it matter whether or not other people find her attractive and why do you have to compare her with everyone? You know, she might also like to be having sex with Brad Pitt. I mean I never found each of my ex-boyfriends 200%, unequivocally attractive, but why should I care since I thought they were attractive overall. I wasn't going to focus on the fact that I don't know, one of them had a freckle I didn't like. I mean come on.

Now if you feel unhappy with her because you think she's 'bringing you down' or stopping you from fulfilling your goals in life, that's another thing. I'm assuming you've talked to her about it (if you haven't, well, you should). If despite discussions she hasn't changed and you don't feel happy with her, maybe you should break up with her. I don't actually think you said whether or not you're happy with her overall. You're nitpicking, focusing on tiny details and treating her as a bit of an object (I'm sorry, women aren't cars. You can't just 'trade us in' for a better model).
Maybe actually it would do you good to be single to realize you need to treat others with more respect.

If you're happy with her, stay with her. If you're not and don't see that changing in the foreseable future, don't.

I appreciate your honesty ;)

To answer your question: Am I happy? I have no clue. It's up and downs, I would say that I'd still prefer a life together than a single life though. And then, having just any girlfriend must be better than having no girlfriend, right? It's just a rational thinking. Just like a car example I mentioned, it seems so logical and obvious, I don't know why people generally don't get the reasoning behind it at first.

I am completely understanding about if she would like to have sex with Brad Pit instead. I know that I also have flaws, and I feel bad whenever a taller, better looking guy walks past me. Although I know that for females physical side in men might not be so important compared to other virtues (money, fame, character...) I always feel sad because I can't reasonably give my partner the privilege to be with a best-looking, best-charming, best-wealthy....the best of the best on earth. Since I know how bad it feels for me to realize that I am with someone who maybe might not be the top of the top in the pool of choice. That's why the external validation is so important, I need to find a way to somehow be sure about the correctness of my choice.
 
Yeah man, I don't have any sympathy or compassion for you after reading how put off you over a small physical anomaly. I think *she* would be the person to gain here if you two break up.

But maybe you're not a jerk and simply insecure...so I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Why are you so concerned about external validation? It's meaningless in this case. No one can make an "objective" judgement on if the person you love is the right person to love. That's between you two. Ask yourself, ask her. Do not ask arbitrary strangers.
 
Yeah man, I don't have any sympathy or compassion for you after reading how put off you over a small physical anomaly. I think *she* would be the person to gain here if you two break up.

But maybe you're not a jerk and simply insecure...so I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Why are you so concerned about external validation? It's meaningless in this case. No one can make an "objective" judgement on if the person you love is the right person to love. That's between you two. Ask yourself, ask her. Do not ask arbitrary strangers.

I'll again have to use a car analogy here, if one wants to buy a car and has to choose between many models and shapes, it's likely that at some point he will consult with or at least seek an approval from an expert (or a snake oil salesman, nevertheless)

When I go out, in public transport etc. I notice at least 10-20 girls I like from 150+ I "check out" visually at least, from 1000+ persons. I love them all, but how to choose one since it's difficult to have them all, isn't it lol?
Another thing is, and most of guys will agree, a beautiful girlfriend makes you feel better and more worthy, it raises the opinion the external world has about you. And I might just be in love with that brand image and opinion
 
I'll seek expert advice on cars for the following reason a) If I am picking it to meet some objective set of performance criteria, I may wish to talk to engineers and mechanics who can determine to what extent this vehicle capable of meeting those. b) Since a particular instance of car is the same as the rest of the same model, people's experience with that model gives me valid feedback on to what to expect with it. This does not apply to humans. Further, I won't consult people about the aesthetic appeal of the car, as it's not an objective criteria and arguably other peoples opinion is not meaningful. Finally, I would *never* ask other people if *I* am personally content with my car or not, I am the only person in the position to judge that.

Another thing is, and most of guys will agree, a beautiful girlfriend makes you feel better and more worthy, it raises the opinion the external world has about you. And I might just be in love with that brand image and opinion

You seem shallow and insecure and appear to be objectifying other people and treating them as an accessory not unlike a watch or brand name clothing. I find that distasteful and it lowers my opinion of you greatly more than having attractive GF could ever raise it.
 
You seem shallow and insecure and appear to be objectifying other people and treating them as an accessory not unlike a watch or brand name clothing. I find that distasteful and it lowers my opinion of you greatly more than having attractive GF could ever raise it.

This. Once again OP, women aren't cars, or any sort of object made to make you look good, for that matter. If you need a perfect girlfriend for external validation it sounds like you need to work on your self-confidence issues. Your girlfriend shouldn't be treated as a convenience. The fact that you said you're constantly worrying about not being the perfect guy just goes to reinforce the fact that you really need to work on yourself. There is no such thing as the 'perfect' person and trust me, you're never going to find a girlfriend that doesn't annoy you in one way or another. There is no such thing as a 'flawless' person and you're going to have to accept that if you want your relationships to work.
 
I think you should break up with her. Why? Because I think she deserves better.

No one is perfect. This shoulder thing of hers ... yeah so it's a bit weird. But most females have something "weird" about them. The girls that you are always checking out, who seems "perfect" or even just "really attractive", they probably have something "flawed" about them as well. Maybe it isn't physical - maybe they are insecure, maybe they get jealous easily, maybe they can't get a job, maybe they are dumb. I don't know - it could be anything!

That being said, you clearly aren't attracted to this girl you're dating. It seems like it would be best for both of you to break up.
 
Thank fuck for that.

Think whatever you want, although I don't remember writing about this before.

And I certainly don't go around the street stating these philosophies openly, but they live and exist within the real society in the people you meet occasionally everyday. So think about that.

Everyone wants value, the world is driven by competition and value, love is the result of affection towards value! And what is value? If we can't measure it and assign a number to it, it's difficult to judge. If others don't approve it, it's simply not valuable.
I mean, the fact that younger people are considered more beautiful than older is innate instinct. The fact bigger boobs are considered more attractive is social conditioning. I couldn't care less, but if everyone who looks at the picture of the girl says "wtf is this, where are the tits?", you are not going to change the opinion about that girl in question? We are influenced more than we think we are, but still what's the purpose of living? Doing anything? Value. Reach it whatever it might be and whoever might have defined it just shows internal quality.
 
We are influenced more than we think we are, but still what's the purpose of living? Doing anything? Value. Reach it whatever it might be and whoever might have defined it just shows internal quality.

What? Where the hell is that coming from? You're spending way, WAY too much time worrying about others. Yes society conditions us to lots of things, but I personally couldn't care less if complete strangers, or even my friends, don't find my boyfriend attractive so long as I do. They're not the ones dating him and it's an entirely subjective matter anyway. Ffs no one is going to judge you because you're not sleeping with the most gorgeous woman in the world.
 
They're not the ones dating him and it's an entirely subjective matter anyway. Ffs no one is going to judge you because you're not sleeping with the most gorgeous woman in the world.

Yeah right, and if no one is judging, why people spend countelss hours on other people's facebook profiles?
Just walk in anywhere and observe what people are doing on their computers, and you'll see. Some companies even had to ban Facebook because the workers were spending more time looking the news feed than working.

Let's redefine it this way, it doesn't have to be "the most gorgerous", but it must meet some criteria, i.e. a certain percentile on the probability distribution. For instance, I could date any "miss", doesn't matter the miss of Nevada, Nebraska, Namibia or New Zeland...it's a "miss", a high-score performer, not so common in general population and a valuable thing to have. It's approved and verified, high quality, doesn't have to be a "miss" universe, since between a handful of very beautiful ladies it's indeed difficult to choose one the best, and the probability of error rises.

Personalities? Well, everyone is a different personality, so if a person is flexible and open-minded and doesn't give a rats ass about what another person finds valuable and there are certain freedoms warranted, everything just works out perfectly.
But being an average guy with an average gf (having some physical imperfection) and looking more beautiful girls occasionally passing by you sucks. It feels so bad and sometimes I don't want even to get out of the bed to go to work. There is no any special accomplishment there, every stupid bloke around the corner has one more or less like that. Average gf, average salaries, average life and then seeing all those MTV spots and rich people on the TV giving interview makes me go mad since how the hell come they are more valuable than me to be there?
 
You're being ridiculously shallow.
No actually, I don't spend time on facebook because I'm judging what people's boyfriends or girlfriends look like.
And I don't treat my boyfriends as commodities merely there to show off and flatter my ego. Don't think that everyone is like you, because they certainly aren't. The more you post the more I agree with people that said you should break up with your girlfriend for her own sake. I think you could benefit from some time alone to mature a bit.

You're clearly just projecting your own self-doubt onto her. Deal with yourself before bringing others down.
 
he fact bigger boobs are considered more attractive is social conditioning. I couldn't care less, but if everyone who looks at the picture of the girl says "wtf is this, where are the tits?", you are not going to change the opinion about that girl in question?

No. I prefer small breasts, and I'd rather be with a girl who makes me happy, then pander to the opinion of the average mouth breather. Much in the same way I'd rather spend a few hours doing algebra than watching a baseball game.
 
Did you know that everyone's two hands are not the exact same size? You two feet, different sizes as well. How would you feel if she did not want to be with for that reason? You know, even your balls are different sizes. That may turn her off. But she loves you, so she accepts it. You don't deserve it, but even a corn-speckled turd lands on top of the shit pile now and then.
 
^ PX01 ouch. I think some of those opinions regarding your disgust are unnecessary - those are your personal emotional reactions, he does not need this information.

The info on psychopathy is fine.
..but upon, pondering this, I think the guy's just apathetic and a little confused, not psychopathic.

LaVOIX - OP - My brother - your predicament is entirely in your head.

Regarding the parents - don't judge - they did the best they could in their conditioned states, maybe they shouldn't have even had a child, who knows? But you have a beautiful girlfriend because of it.

It sounds like you need to open up your heart (I highly recommend holding backing from being a skeptic, after all all you have to lose is a few hours and maybe 20bucks - keep telling yourself "an open heart, an open mind" - and find a KUNDALINI/KRIYA YOGA teacher - ask for help with opening up your heart specifically), and also you sound in great need of finding the words of the dalai lama - he speaks on suffering and compassion - his words on compassion soothed me in the last 2 years greatly, and I believe compassion is what you need to learn.


I also suggest ppicking up some kind of martial art to help you cope with your withered logic, as you are clearly overanalyzing, it is getting you nowhere but despair.

You might lose a great gal otherwise.

OPEN UP YOUR HEART, OPEN UP YOUR MIND. None of us are perfect.
 
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^ PX01 ouch. I think some of those opinions regarding your disgust are unnecessary - those are your personal emotional reactions, he does not need this information.

The info on psychopathy is fine.
..but upon, pondering this, I think the guy's just apathetic and a little confused, not psychopathic.

LaVOIX - OP - My brother - your predicament is entirely in your head.

Regarding the parents - don't judge - they did the best they could in their conditioned states, maybe they shouldn't have even had a child, who knows? But you have a beautiful girlfriend because of it.

It sounds like you need to open up your heart (I highly recommend holding backing from being a skeptic, after all all you have to lose is a few hours and maybe 20bucks - keep telling yourself "an open heart, an open mind" - and find a KUNDALINI/KRIYA YOGA teacher - ask for help with opening up your heart specifically), and also you sound in great need of finding the words of the dalai lama - he speaks on suffering and compassion - his words on compassion soothed me in the last 2 years greatly, and I believe compassion is what you need to learn.


I also suggest ppicking up some kind of martial art to help you cope with your withered logic, as you are clearly overanalyzing, it is getting you nowhere but despair.

You might lose a great gal otherwise.

OPEN UP YOUR HEART, OPEN UP YOUR MIND. None of us are perfect.

I know that everyone has 2 feet, 2 hands...But they without doubt can be more or less 'beautiful', proportional, etc.
People say, ok define beautiful, it's in the eye of the observer and similar shit...well beautiful is what you see on the MTV spots, hot girls, Victoria's secret type, etc. When you see it you know it.

And how not to judge? I am 'stuck' with an average-looking girlfriend, average salary, paying mortgage, having no expensive cars, villas, boats, etc. Humiliated in the past by those who had more than me, since I never was a good-enough 'fit' for them, and ignored by those under me since I didn't want to settle for a life without meaning and big achievement...life made of looking a football game on a cheap TV with a beer...What's the purpose of it? I can't stand it!! Those overpaid footballers earning tons of money and chicks, I then I need to sit on my ass and even pay to watch them??
Obviously I never could make friends with 'rich footballers', be invited to prive parties...Nor could I make friends in a ghetto (since I refused to participate in that life, for the reasoning mentioned...)

I am going for a broke. Either for a top and fame, either for a complete crash. I can implement it all aspects of my life, my decisions and risks I take, but this one, relationships related, where you can't simply walk into a shop and buy a girlfriend (although it would be much more simpler), is holding me down...
That's a right expression, holding me down, since I believe the quality of relationship and the physical appearance of the girlfriend involved should also follow the overall upraise of a person, although I am not quite sure yet in which forms it might happen.

Reasoning is simple, better have a girlfriend than not, options are limited since energy should be concentrated on other aspects also (i.e. money), so let's change nothing. But than that one aspect in virtually dragging down the whole process, doesn't challenge and empower, just anchors the old pictures and memories of life of which in hindsight I am not fully happy about, since if I was, I would not intend to change anything in the first place!

Btw I did some martial arts, but couldn't stop envying stronger and faster guys in the club and being laughed about all the time I got beaten up on matches.
I don't like losing, so I decided to switch to a different battlefield. Given any opportunity to risk in the future, I will go for a broke, either for headlines or black chronic.
 
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I sincerely hope he's making all this shit up.
 
Do yourself and more importantly, the world a favor: Find a high bridge, climb up on the railing, and take a big step forward.

If this guy is for real then I advocate your solution rangrz (this is HR as it is HR for the human race & the collective take precedence over the individual).

What the OP lists as imperfections are what makes human beings unique. Imagine how boring the world would be if we all looked exactly the same or were all "perfect"? I admit the drooping shoulder could be a deal breaker though. So many people spend time paddling in the shallow water of life revelling in the trivialities the shallow end provides..........
 
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