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Lovan (SSRI) + MDMA? help please

kempe

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hi,

im a long time lurker but first time poster, finaly took the time to sign up and and happy about it.

i was just wondering,

my friend wants to come pilling with me but she is on an anti depressant called Lovan which IIRC is an SSRI.

i searched around but couldnt get detailed enough info

can she take E on this drug?
what will happen if she does?

if she cant take it how long should she stop using the medication for befor she can roll without any worries of the lovan effecting the roll?

thanks a bunch in advance :)
 
Lovan is another brand name for prozac, generic name fluoxetine.

Armed with that info you should find the answers you need using the search engine

try this thread for starters, it is helpfully stickied near the top of this forum so it can be easily found

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=224233

She can take mdma, but it will be a waste as she will not feel very much from it.

She would need to stop for several weeks. It is a bad idea to stop taking your medication for that long just to roll.

All this could be found very easily using the search engine if you had taken the time to google lovan and found out it was prozac. :|

See this thread too http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=265696
 
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thanks for the help, like i said i did search

im very tired and needed an answer fast and from a real person so im sorry

will two weeks be a long enough time? thats the longest shes prepared to skip her meds for.

how much will they still effect the roll after 2 weeks?

thanks again
 
Pharmacokinetics:
Fluoxetine is well absorbed after oral administration. In man, following a single 40 mg dose, peak plasma concentrations of fluoxetine ranged from 15 to 55 ng/mL 6 to 8 hours after dosing (range=1.5 to 12 hours). The capsule and oral solution dosage forms of fluoxetine are bioequivalent. Food appears to affect the rate but not the extent of absorption.

Fluoxetine is extensively metabolized in the liver to norfluoxetine, and other, unidentified metabolites. Norfluoxetine, a desmethyl metabolite, is also a serotonin reuptake inhibitor; its pharmacological activity being similar to that of the parent drug. Norfluoxetine contributes to the long duration of action of fluoxetine. Elimination of metabolites occurs primarily in the urine with a smaller amount also being present in the feces.

Clinical Issues Related to Metabolism/Elimination:
The complexity of fluoxetine's metabolism has several consequences which may potentially affect its clinical use.

Accumulation and Slow Elimination:
The half-life of fluoxetine after a single dose is 2 days (range 1 to 4 days) and after multiple dosing 4 days (range 2 to 7 days). The corresponding values for norfluoxetine are similar after single and multiple dosing, i.e., 8.6 and 9.3 days (range 4 to 15 days). After 30 days of dosing at 40 mg/day, plasma concentrations of fluoxetine and norfluoxetine ranged from 91 to 302 ng/mL and 72 to 258 ng/mL respectively. Plasma concentrations of fluoxetine were higher than those predicted from single dose studies, presumably because fluoxetine's metabolism is not proportional to dose. Norfluoxetine, however, appears to have linear pharmacokinetics.

Steady state plasma levels are attained after 4 to 5 weeks of continuous drug administration. Patients receiving fluoxetine at doses of 40 to 80 mg/day over periods as long as 3 years exhibited, on average, plasma concentrations similar to those seen among patients treated for 4 to 5 weeks.

Similarly because of the long half-lives of fluoxetine and norfluoxetine, it may take up to 1 to 2 months for the active drug substance to disappear from the body. This is of potential consequence in withdrawal of fluoxetine (see Warnings).

It will take several weeks and it is very hard to give a precise figure because of individual variation. I'm sure this is covered in the antidepressants sticky thread. As are the reasons why stopping taking this medication is dangerous.

There can be serious symptoms whilst withdrawing from fluoxetine, and she should be under the supervision of here doctor whilst doing so.

I think this is a dangerous plan, i hope you are not encouraging her to do it.
 
Depression treatment requires that you take the antidepressant medication *uninterrupted* for a significant period (often six months or more). Stopping the medication to take pills will likely interfere with her treatment, both as a result of taking plls AND because she's stopped her medication.

If she wants to try pills in the future, then that's her choice obviously. However she should not stop her treatment for depression for a night of (potential) fun, which could set her back months.
 
I'm about to start on a low dose of SSRIs (Zoloft). I used to be a frequent user of ecstasy. I've been reading the the 'high' won't be the same. What about the come down? Will there be any at all? I imagined that it would be fairly minimum as you are taking a prescription drug that is a serotonin reuptake; so would that mean taking a pill with out the fear that you will be depressed later?
Also what is the difference with the use of amphetamines as most pills are not pure MDMA nowadays.
Cheers,
 
Hi
Regarding the MDMA and Lovan, you get a hint of a high but it is not worth it what so ever, i use to be big into taking pills while out on the weekends and once my medication was chaned over to Lovan i stopped because taking it with Lovan not only is it completely stupid, but the following day everything is so very much worse.
My suggestion would be concerntrate on feeling better and getting on with your life instead.
 
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