Lost and Trying to Find Myself... Poppy Tea isn't Helping

mushroompizza

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My apologies if this is a boring read- but these are things that I've avoided thinking about and I need to put my thoughts into words.

I have a pretty screwed up past. I've suffered from social anxiety disorder for a long time, and I allowed it to wreck my life. I dropped out of high school and became a shut-in. For brevity's sake I won't go into details, but it's pretty difficult to make progress in life once you paint yourself into a corner that way. It left me crippled in many ways, especially my social skills. At [deleted] I'm still struggling to recover. I finally finished my Bachelor's degree this year.

I didn't do drugs at all until my 20s, and before being introduced to opiates I never had a problem, just a bit of weed and acid/shrooms now and then. Two years ago I started using hydrocodone and oxycontin, but it never developed into a problem because I didn't have the money or a steady supply to develop a habit. Then a year ago I made the fateful decision to try poppy tea after finding out about it online. Somehow I had developed a notion that PT was a soft drug (like marijuana) and didn't take the warnings of addiction and mental despair very seriously. I figured I had common sense, and I could keep my use moderate to avoid potentially being addicted.8)

You can probably guess what happened from there. I learned that the human brain is very effective at rationalizing bad decisions when it comes to achieving euphoric highs. I started coming up with excuses to bump up my usage. Cold dark night with not much to do? Brew a cup. Too sore to go to martial arts class? Five or six pods the night before will take care of that. And so it went, pretty soon I'm making PT every other day. It was great at first. I slept like a log, I was relaxed but energetic and doing martial arts was great with a PT afterglow. I was very content with my life at that point.

I was becoming very content with a life that was in reality miserable and in need of serious life changes. The reality is that I don't have any real talents, have very few friends, and I live with my parents. There are things that I should be doing, like improving my computer skills, playing a musical instrument, writing poetry, anything constructive. I don't want to be a life-long loser that no woman would want to be with, and that's exactly what I'm going to be as long as I'm addicted to opiates.

I want to change my outlook on life. I want to be a man who's passionate about life, who lives to face life's challenges and feels grateful for every day that he wakes up. I don't want to be this shell of a person anymore. The person who's too lazy and cowardly to give it his all because he's afraid of failure. The person who doesn't try things that are difficult because his fragile ego can't accept the disappointment that failure would bring.

No more running from my problems. No more doing things half-assed. The first thing I need to do is get off PT and get my life in order. Time to set goals and stick with them. I'm getting off the tea now. I've been using for about a year now, with heavy usage for the last 4 months or so. I've never experienced opiate withdrawal but I know it won't be easy. I already feel like shit in the mornings if I go a couple days without it- feeling exhausted, aching spine, chills. But I have to do this.
 
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were you a passionate man interested in all aspects of life before drugs? or must you be high to enjoy things?
 
TAPER. I just ended a 2+ year addiction- using daily. I did it without misery and pain, so maybe someone else could too. I tapered over about 2 months, real gentle steps the last 2-3 weeks. I exercised 5 days a week which I think gave me another kind or reward system to jump off of an onto.
Plan, make a real plan and take it easy. You spent a lot of time getting where you are, give yourself some time to climb back down.
 
im in the same situation man, i was addicted to heroin for 4 years, clean for a years and now am going into withdrawal from a 3 month daily ppt addiction. fucking sucks, but after that many withdrawals from heroin im kinda used to it now. good luck :\
 
next Wednesday I'm going cold turkey too. I've been eating poppy pods every day since late August.

Good luck to you, mushroompizza. update w/ your progress, I'm curious how it goes.
 
cold turkey off a decent addiction is never easy and can be very discouraging to a resolution to end an addiction. ive never done an opiate taper before, only a benzo taper and taking it slowly while absorbing myself into other positive activities like exercise and hobbies can significantly ease the discomfort. i have done the cold turkey and it was terribly unpleasant. if i still had a supply at that time, i would have used it and given up on the resolution to end that cycle of addiction.

i have felt the same in the past about wanting to improve my life, indulge in hobbies, learning musical instruments, developing skills etc. i am at heart a very unmotivated person and i find it difficult to be a self starter when it comes to things like this. some advice i can offer here is to find a friend or someone who has a hobby they are into, and see if you can join them on it. its so much easier to commit time and effort to a hobby when you have a 'buddy' who is already passionate about it, and will make the steps to organising things or motivating you. enthusiasm is infectious, try to surround yourself with these people and hopefully it will help you on your path. some examples could be instead of learning an instrument on your own - try joining a band with other people who are keen to learn instruments too something along those lines.
 
i agree that cold turkey is not the way to go with getting off a drug long term. unfortunetly for me it is necessary. im in day three of a small daily pod dosage and its been pretty bad, almost as bad as heroin withdrawal used to be, except from what i understand it last much longer :(
 
Don't think of yourself as a failure. You may feel like you're too old to be without a solid plan in life, but that's not the case. The opiates are not helping, obviously, they're just a hindrance to you finding your role in life.

As with many of the other posters I agree that a taper would be best, as opiate withdrawals can be quite nasty and debilitating. Also, I think you should contemplate the first poster's inquiry, as your answer will determine whether your problem is just the drugs or something more. I suffer from crippling anxiety as well and I'm trying to get to the point where I don't need medication, but I still feel like I need that cushion.

I'm 25 and I still live with my parents. I don't have much of a career to speak of (clerical crap, typical female role), but that doesn't render me useless or heading nowhere. It's never too late to go back to school or even just volunteering or doing internships. Sometimes you have to actually experience something firsthand in order to decide if it's what you want to do with your life.

And as for finding a significant other, you have to love yourself first before you can adequately love someone else. Otherwise you're bound to run into problems in the future.

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually one for posting on here but your post touched me. So, first thing's first, taper your pod use, then branch out and look within yourself to discover what it is you want in life.
 
Thank you all for the responses. The words of sympathy really do my heart well.

were you a passionate man interested in all aspects of life before drugs? or must you be high to enjoy things?

No, I was not passionate before I started using drugs. I don't think that drug use is the cause of my problems, but the drug use is hindering my growth.

I understand why you guys recommended tapering. I initially wanted to go cold turkey but after feeling really crummy today I buckled and brewed some tea. Three days ago I used eight large pods; today (December 10th) I used seven large pods. Enough of a dose to stave off withdrawal symptoms and alleviate any pain, but no euphoria:(My plan is to dose every other day and decrease the amount I use by half a pod each time.

My plans for the next couple of weeks will be exercise every day (as per versd and TippyCup4Life's suggestions), eat healthy foods, and set some realistic goals to strive for.
 
^Those are excellent suggestions.

Poppy pod tea is often underrated as a recreational substance. Recently I got a strong histamine reaction from using it for pain 3 days in a row (no tolerance, experimented with opiates occasionally) and I'm off the stuff for life.

If you think your growth is being hindered by your drug use, then it's probably in your best interest to at least give it a break for the time being. You can go CT, but I think you will be more comfortable with a taper.

Best of luck with quitting. Your life can be "passionate" with or without the drugs. :)
 
Quick update:

The taper is going as well as could be expected. I'm currently down to five large pods per dose. Five large pods and I feel the opiate warmth but it is ever so subtle. Not enough to escape the haunting sober thoughts of wasted potential and the feeling that life is ultimately meaningless even if I become "successful". Just feeling a little bit of that warm glow, but not enough for it to completely immerse me is so tantalizing.

I feel like I know how to be happy and live a clean life at the same time. But doing it will require me to do a lot of thinking and discipline. I have a choice to make: go through force myself to do unpleasant things that require a lot of willpower and be happy, or don't do them and stay comfortable but depressed. Trapped in a prison of my own mind... I have the escape key in my hand but using it is the tough part.
 
Great work mushpizza, keep on your taper nice and easy. If you are still feeling the warm glow, you may have room to reduce further without phys or psych discomfort...the warm glow is nice, but work towards settling at comfortable.
You will really feel good about yourself when you feel the chains coming off soon, when if your source disappeared you know you would be ok. That is the a pleasant feeling, and goddamn relief!.
Handle this plan to your satisfaction and you will really see a lot of good things happen to yourself.
Keep us posted.
 
Hi mushroom, is talk therapy an option? It could help with your underlying issues of depression.

My suspicion is that you are not as worthless as you think! I bet you are actually talented and interesting. Social anxiety can be terrible. But really a good therapist can help with these self esteem issues as you continue your taper. Great job on the taper it is very brave to get clean :)
 
PPT is brutal, but you don't need me to tell you that. You need to find a compassionate therapist. Someone who will help you find yourself! I've been in therapy for 5 years now and I am flourishing. I suffered from a spectrum of mental disorders, but I believe that psychological pain isn't easily categorized. Suffice it to say that I was in psychological distress and had features of various illnesses including OCD, depression and non-specific eating disorder. After therapy, I am now very well adjusted with an excellent body image and no OCD. It's all about finding someone safe to work with in "finding yourself," which is what therapy is all about!
 
dude check out some books by niel strauss they wiill change your life..you seem like the type of guy that will appreciate what they have to offer guys like us. They are called "the game" and rules of the game. they are books to help guys like us build confidence in himself and be able to attract any women they want. really helps you realize somethings. check out stylelife.com also. I really hope you check it out...
 
dude check out some books by niel strauss they wiill change your life.

I ended up reading The Game, thanks. I need to work on myself for a while before I try to find a lady friend, though. Interesting stuff.

Update: I ran out of pods a week ago, and stupidly didn't order more in advance. Ended up going four days cold turkey. The smart thing to do would've been to tough out a few more days cold turkey and had it over and done with. Instead I ended up ordering a $200 box of pods, and I drank a massive amount of tea over the last 4 days. It's Sunday night and I feel high now, but Tuesday morning is going to suck.

So, that sucks. I completely blew my taper. Right now I'm feeling too melancholy to give any thoughts about how things are going. I'll post an update soon.
 
yeah dude you shouldn't of ordered so much the more you have the more you will use that is just how it is i ordered 100$ box a few months ago and went threw them all in one week i was drinking like 4 cups a day with like 5 pods in em i dont think i will fuck with that shit any more but im in the same situation as you bro sept my vice is morphine sulfate i ran out about 2 days ago and im doing ok i think you need to reevaluate your choice you dont have to give them up just to make you life better you just need to tell yourself "i use the drugs they dont use me' but if your convinced the only way to get your life on track is to quit then stop but i think you will have a much eazyer time slowing down if you know you dont have to stop for ever limit yourself to like 2 large dosages a week and everytime you wanna get a nice warmth going tell yourself you wont cause when you do use itll make it just that much better thats what helps me if i can tell im getting a large tolerance i will just tell myself i cant use cause itll be a waist so i just wait a week nd then i get a mad nod just thought i would share my tech with ya
 
blowing a taper with a 4 day binge isnt the end of the world. just get back on the wagon as soon as possible, and dont use the slip up as an excuse to get back into your old habits. good luck
 
^

yep, sometimes a relapse is part of the process...

versd is exactly right :) dont let a relapse become an excuse to use again. dont beat yourself up over this man, its addiction doing what it does. you made it as far as you did in your taper, and you went most your life w/o pods, you recognized your quality of life dropping, keep your prize in sight.

you created this mess you are in, you are just as capable to GTFO of it, and its easier done while its your decision, on your watch. be safe, and bend and bow through this, dont let it break you... - didnt bruce lee say something like that?
 
After a long taper I'm on day 8 free of opiates. I can't believe it took me so long to do it. Things aren't perfect but I changed my lifestyle a lot. Started doing yoga, looked into the origin of life and the universe, thought a lot about why I believe in the things I believe. Most importantly I rediscovered the joy of learning that I lost many years ago. I still have a bottle of percocet 5/325's but no desire to take them.
 
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