"Losing the Magic"

[Liquid Sunshine]

There is a lot on this board about 'losing the magic', a phenomenon wherein MDMA stops being some crazy magic wonderdrug or whatever and becomes a regular one, or wherein the empathy/desirable qualities of the chemical are diminished.

Obviously, there isn't any hard evidence one way or another, but based on your knowledge of pharmacology, biology, MDMA, and anything else... do you think that this is a psychological phenomenon, or a chemical/biological one.

Personally, I feel that "Losing the Magic" is kind of an irritating buzz-phrase people use when they are no longer surprised by MDMA, and are therefore not immediately taken to the same place they were their first few times. I have rolled on occasions (this is all off of one batch of MDMA, which I had a large quantity of and spaced my rolls with) where I've had very little empathy or classic 'mdma' effects outside of a mild lift of mood, and I have had ecstatic and joyous experiences. I feel that this has more to do with the most important ingredient in any drug, me, than it has to do with 'losing the magic'.

Conversely, Sasha himself has even mentioned something akin to this effect, and as much as I'm emotionally inclined to disagree, there is enough information out there that I cannot simply write it off.

So, "Losing the Magic"... talk to me bluelight. Tell me what you think.

... Either way I'm sick of threads about whether or not people have 'lost the magic' or not, but there's not a lot I can do about that but try to be communicative, I guess.

 

[Damien]

I agree with you. I've been taking MDMA for about 3 years now with breaks as little as two weeks (once or twice maybe) and as long as months (usually the case).

 

[Legerity]

Yes this idea is doing more harm than good. People get used to the effects of any drug with repeated use, but this is never called "losing the magic", which implies some sort of mysterious mechanism by which MDMA stops working.

Because losing the magic is often considered permanent, it also has the underlying implication that there is some sort of permanent change in a person's brain chemistry that causes MDMA to lose it's effect. This can contribute to unnecessary anxiety.

People often underestimate the power of ideas. Ideas spread and we often believe in them without questioning. Our whole culture is based on ideas that we take for granted. If we think there is some magical point in time where MDMA will lose its effect, then this can be experienced. It doesn't mean that tolerance isn't real, or that the effects can't become less interesting if we use it too often, but there is a general misunderstanding about what is going on here.

I would strongly suggest that anybody who uses any drug stop looking at it from a purely neurochemical perspective. Thoughts, emotions, beliefs, expectations...all these "intangible" things, play a huge role in shaping a person's experience with a particular substance.

I would suspect that cultural studies of drug use are much more helpful by showing people just how much the norms and expectations of their culture determine the experiences that they have.

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

I'd say that in the long term, the idea of losing the magic is mostly psychological. Either your attitude changes because for you the novelty of MDMA has worn off or you are doing it with the wrong people. I think the easiest way to keep enjoying MDMA with repeated use is to do it with people who are on the same wavelength as you. People who care about you, enjoy your company and enjoy rolling with you. If you have people like that and legit MDMA, I can't see how you can't have a good time on MDMA.

Then there is also the issue of moving on. For some people MDMA use might simply be a phase of their life. They use it for a bit and then move on. Think about it this way: often punk-rock/metal/rebellious music is seen is a phase among male teenagers, while for most teenagers this kind of music might indeed be a phase, there are always people who enjoy it for the rest of their life... Do you see what I am getting at? I think the nature of MDMA also contributes to this because you can't use MDMA often, so the average amount of MDMA sessions in a typical 'phase' could be as low as 10. This could have given rise to the idea that you can 'lose the magic' after a certain amount of rolls.

However, I still think it is possible to temporary "lose the magic" or have experiences that are not as fun as usual from increased tolerance due to common use. If you do MDMA every week for 2 months, I am pretty sure the experience won't be as fun as usual due to both neurological issues (not enough seratonin) and because you do it so often and it gets kinda stale.

 

[NorthWestRollinnn]

I definitely think I "lost the magic". The first two times I consumed (suspected) MDMA it was the most amazing thing I have ever experienced. The third time was also good but while I was rolling I had this thought in the back of my head that it wasn't as good as the previous times. I have probably rolled 7 or 8 times now and It just appears to not be the same. I still feel good on it but its not quite the life changing experience it was at the start.

 

[lostsoul.On.E]

people dont refer to losing the magic as the effects that ecstasy has on you. Yea ecstasy causes chemical reactions in the brain and floods it with serotonin but the magic is different. The magic is the new experience, that feeling you've never felt before. After a while, you will still roll just as good and have a good time, but that "Magical Mysterious" feeling of rolling is gone and now its just a regular thing. Rolling can still be fun, but If you take too much that magic can be gone.

Every one is getting so pissy about this "losing the magic" phrase. Cant we all just agree that taking ecstasy is magical!?!?

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

people dont refer to losing the magic as the effects that ecstasy has on you. Yea ecstasy causes chemical reactions in the brain and floods it with serotonin but the magic is different. The magic is the new experience, that feeling you've never felt before. After a while, you will still roll just as good and have a good time, but that "Magical Mysterious" feeling of rolling is gone and now its just a regular thing. Rolling can still be fun, but If you take too much that magic can be gone.

Every one is getting so pissy about this "losing the magic" phrase. Cant we all just agree that taking ecstasy is magical!?!?

But I think this applies to almost anything in life. The first time is always the best, your first gf, the first time you hear a really cool track, the first time you visit some really cool city. Just this effect is magnified with MDMA because it's such a new experience the first time you try it.

 

[No Consequence]

People that don't believe in 'losing the magic' have obviously not lost the magic..
I'm a believer of losing the magic because it has happened to me.
I no longer get empathy when i roll and i dont really get touchy touchy either. It just feels like another body high. It is NEVER intense at all, no matter how much MDMA i consume. It has led me to not wanting to do it again.
This whole 'lost magic' has been for the last maybe 6 or 7 rolls. I have put 4-6 weeks in between my rolls for awhile (not counting the honeymoon stage, which didnt get too wild) , with 2 months being in between my last rolls.
i dont plan to roll for awhile now because it's not even worth it.
I always have legit and tested pills too (west coast at that).

 

[THE HZA]

i havent rolled in forever, but i know what you mean
the first two times i rolled were absolutely amazing, so many good vibes
third was okay
the fourth time i felt good but not exceedingly happy or anything

 

[sonix]

3 years ago when i was 15 and into e alot i did it for 3 months straight the whole summer and took a 4 month break and did it whenever which was 3 times a week minimum and some days id binge but sleep just wake up and eat more always eating 4 after the 3 month binge i had to eat 4 just to feel anything which would be 400 mg mdma i had clean tested dank yummy yumms and i have lost the magic ive done it 20 times since then but extremely spaced apart and i still even on molly no intense omg this is the best day ever feeling or the lovey dovey feeling or even the touchy sensations at all just a fat body buzz and feeling weird after. i've fried my shit mang if you don't believe in losing the magic go eat bezziles for 3 months straight or learn from my post and others THE SHIT IS REAL MOTHER FUCKER.

i bid you a good day!%)

 

[cacophonaut]

3 years ago when i was 15 and into e alot i did it for 3 months straight the whole summer and took a 4 month break and did it whenever which was 3 times a week minimum and some days id binge but sleep just wake up and eat more always eating 4 after the 3 month binge i had to eat 4 just to feel anything which would be 400 mg mdma i had clean tested dank yummy yumms and i have lost the magic ive done it 20 times since then but extremely spaced apart and i still even on molly no intense omg this is the best day ever feeling or the lovey dovey feeling or even the touchy sensations at all just a fat body buzz and feeling weird after. i've fried my shit mang if you don't believe in losing the magic go eat bezziles for 3 months straight or learn from my post and others THE SHIT IS REAL MOTHER FUCKER.

i bid you a good day!%)

Dude, does losing the magic also mean you lose the ability to use commas?

 

[LongBo4rd20]

Swim has rolled for the past 4 years, with heavy use in the last three months.
Swim has been using Mephedrone crystals and Molly shards/powder intravenous and insuffhilAtion in the last three months, only taking 0-10 days break. Swim is constantly fighting the urge to not use these substances. Everytime swim rolls it has been the same exerience for the first and second shots of the night after that it gets decreasingly less pleasurable but still fantastic until the whole night is over and u have 10 holes in ur arm. Swim has experienced 'losing the magic' many many nights. But after a few days rest , good food and 5-htp once in a few days the roll comes back to what swim has come to know about the three substances. Of course they all are not the same after the first four or so (rolls) exeriences with the substances. They become a second nature almost like being stoned ur just rolling all the time almost in a whole new deminsion.aka 'loosing grip on relality' some might say. Once swim has finish this horrible long binge i will report the longer term effects...

This may need to be a new thread since there is hardly anything on the intravenous use of mdma, molly, mephedrone(especially interesting findings i have to offer about this one) they are all a whole new world once doing it this method u wont go back very addicting loses fun after awhile. I guess that could be called losing the magic the high stays the new life experience feel does not.

 

[Tunnelfission]

The body simply learns to tolerate anything that one puts into it. No matter what it's trying to function normally despite what is happening to it and all these massive rushes likely just get adapted to and the body tries to be used to taking on the sensation. also subjectively it could be that you are attuned to that new higher mindset and can therefore tolerate/explore more/higher doses/different things.

I might suggest giving someone MDMA before LSD or mushrooms, it's sub psychedelic in a way moreso than cannabis which I feel should be first except for maybe some pharms.

MDMA can simply be topped by other (usually psychedelic) experiences and it's only groundbreaking for hopefully a dozen times before the mindset of easy love becomes a natural prospect, therefore theres just less high to get since your already integrated into that thought process.

I can see MDMA being incredible again to someone who perhaps has forgotten what it was like after decades of not using and lifestyle change then rolls again and recalls all kinds of ancient feelings from their own more wild youthful days.