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Lortab/Hydrocodone Question

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I just received a whole bottle of Lortab 2.5/500 "Hydroco/apap" pills. I know from past use that I absolutely loved them the last time I had taken Hydrocodone (they were brand name vicodin). I only remember the others I had before (it's been a few years) having "750mg" on them. I took 2 at a time and they worked very well. I want to know what the 2.5 means, I assume the 500 is the mg of acetaminophin? And also, if possible, how many of these would equal 2 of the vicodin 750 pills? Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you.
 
Lortab 2.5/500 does indeed mean 2.5mg hydrocodone and 500mg acetaminophen.

That being said, there is no brand name Vicoden pill with 750 imprinted it on that I can see.
http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php?action=search&drugname=Vicodin
Still the Vicoden ES pill is 7.5/750 so it is probably what you are talking about?

If this is the case and you want to take 15mg of hydrocodone you would need to consume 6 of the 2.5/500 Lortabs. It is worthwhile to note that although these are relatively safe levels of hydrocodone, one should not exceed 3-4 grams of APAP a day. This means if you plan on taking this amount more than once a day or everyday for a while, you need to check out how to perform a Cold Water Extraction.
Cold Water Extraction Mega Thread & FAQ v2.0

I'll move this to Basic Drug Discucssion for you and if you have any anonymous follow up question please post in the AP forum with a link to the thread.

AP >>> BDD
 
Maybe the OP thinks they had 7.5/750 hydrocodone way back. With that said, 2.5mgs of hydrocodone is weak & I didnt think doctors prescribed it these days. To pop 10mgs, you need to swallow 4 pills & then you're getting 2000mgs of apap, thats insane. Do a CWE & enjoy.
 
just to add to the CWE reco's - if that's your only bottle, i'd definitely do a smaller test-run before cwe'ing the whole batch ;P
(and remember, 2.5mg hydrocodone ~= 1.66mg oxycodone)
 
Yep. Do a CWE (Cold Water Extraction - a simple method to extract the hydrocodone from the APAP so you don't have to kill your liver) if you plan on taking all the tablets. There are many variations on the hydrocodone/APAP combination product, I was aware that the 2.5mg hydrocodone / 500mg APAP one existed, but didn't think it was prescribed often.

Do a CWE and your liver will thank you.
 
Thanks alot guys, I was fixing to start taking 5 of these at a time yesterday until I figured I should ask on here since most of you guys tend to know your shit. And I'm glad I did.

I did a CWE on 5 pills last night. There was quite a bit left in the coffee filter, but the liquid I drank I would say was "slightly cloudy". I mixed the liquid with cool-aid powder and sugar.... and it still almost gagged me. But I didn't get anything but a "barely there buzz" off of it. I haven't taken Hydrocodone in at least 2 years (or any of it's close relatives for that matter). How many do you think is a good amount to take next time knowing that 12.5mg did close to nothing? I know I actually only got more like 10-11mg due to the inefficiency of CWE. But I'm thinking of trying 7 on my next CWE. =/

And yes, my mother was just prescribed these shoddily weak pills for breast cancer SURGERY.... But she absolutely refuses to take them lol, so I figured I would =P.
 
Seven 2.5mg pills is 16.8mg. I think you'd be just fine doing a CWE on seven pills, since you'd probably be around 15mg after the CWE is all done.
 
glad you posted- i think many here can relate to the idea of having a bottle of apap-containing pills at some point where they didn't know wtf to do w/ them (too bad not everyone researched it like you're doing ;P )

12.5mg* is a low-enough dose even for no/low tolerance (it'd be the equivalent of 8.2mg of oxycodone). if you have no tolerance, that was a smart place to start (i feel obligated to state the obvious and tell you how addictive these are :| ).
(*remember that you didn't actually take 12.5mg, that's what you started with. IIRC, hopefully someone can clarify, but i'm pretty sure an 'average' CWE's yield is in the ~80% range. this would vary with how you do the extraction. that clump of binders+apap in the coffee filter still has hydro in it, so you can do more washes than one and get your yields up ;P. just remember that when done "proper", you don't end up with enough water to keep *too* large a dosage of apap in the final product. repeatedly washing the same batch's gunk would result in larger final product, opening the door to problems *if* you fucked up and got too much apap in there. personally, i like running the final product through a fresh coffee filter just for peace of mind!)
kool aid wasn't enough for the taste? when i used to do this kind of thing, i'd do a bottle with like 20mg/oz, and i'd add like 50% more gatorade than recommended, never had a taste issue!<although that was typically oxy, can't say i recall much hydro>

heh, this is turning into a mini-cwe thread - sleeplessFS, definitely check that cwe thread if you haven't already, extremely in-depth

/edit: why are you doing 7 on the next wash? i understand just consuming 7 pill's worth, but are you planning to just do small batches each time you dose? ...actually i can see some benefits to that, even if they're unintended
 
Any benefits of doing this process every time I dose are completely unintended, I assure you =P. I don't have very many, so I'm more or less just trying to make sure I don't fuck up and ruin all of them that I have. (and I appreciate your notifying people that these are addictive, unfortunately I know all too well the addictiveness of prescription medications.)

On a second note, is anyone here familiar with the relationship between Hydrocodone and Tramadol hydrochloride? I'm a high-dose tramadol addict. (these things are a fucking nightmare to get off of) I usually average around 500-600mg a day (I know, stupid right? =P). I researched how the drugs interact before I even thought of taking the hydros, but from everything I had read it was understood that they play nice.
I took that 11-ish mg of hydrocodone yesterday, and didn't get much out of it. Which is fine, but the real issue here is that this morning I took my normal 200mg tramadol when I got up, here it is 10oclock, and I've had 400mg already (twice what I've usually had at this time of the day) and I still feel under-medicated.... Is there any chance that they're interfering with one another somehow? And Is there a chance that my tramadol addiction is upping my hydrocodone tolerance? Thanks for the help!
 
Tramadol is an opioid like medication that also has SNRI properties (which is why it's so hard to withdrawal off of, you're effectively going through SNRI antidepressant withdrawal and opiate withdrawal at the same time).

You can use hydrocodone to help you taper off the tramadol for sure, but you may not get complete relief from the SNRI withdrawal symptoms, you'll get relief from the opiate withdrawal symptoms.
 
would you get relief from any snri w/d's?
and the tramadol dosage is both too high, and absolutely causing cross-tolerance.
/edit: you'd asked about these relative to 15mg hydro- is that a known tolerance, or a # you were just aiming for? i'd take 100's of mg's of tramadol over 15mg hydro any day ;PP
 
Well if cross-tolerance is the case and I take 500-600mg (10-12 50mg) a day of Tramadol, how much Hydro should I start with? I don't want to waste my whole stash just taking 10, 12, 15, 17, and on mg at a time and end up never even getting the benefits of it lol. I think I'm going to do a 8x2.5/500 CWE tonight and see how that goes. That'd be a total of 20mg, but I'd get more like 16-17, or so... I remember back (years ago) when I was at 200mg of the tram a day I took 2 of those 7.5/750 hydros I was talking about in the OP and it took me sailing... But now I take 3-times that much tram.....

But noone said anything about the diminished effects of my tramadol for today. I've had 400mg in the timeframe I usually take 200 and I still have the sweats/headache (that pretty much always go away with a full dose). Is there a chance the hydro is blocking the tram or some shit like that? I know you cool guys use all this chemist Mu part beta opiod receptor agonistic antagonist analgesic lingo but I don't know what the shit that means =P. I just want to know that If I take this 15-18mg of hydro, I'm not going to be sabatoging my tramadol regimen lol. (Getting the hydro fuzzies is no where near as important as staving off the tramadol fucking-sickies....) Which like I said, I did look it up before taking the first hydro dose, but everything I read was people saying "I took x-tramadol and x-hydro and it was great!" type stuff.... (I guess the flaw in that method is that the ones who died couldn't really post.... ... ... ... .. .oh no!) *logs off*
 
Good point on the cross-tolerance between tramadol and hydrocodone. I should have picked up on that earlier in the thread haha

Check out the Opiate Conversion Table (the link is also available in my signature).

Going by that chart:

Tramadol = 150 mg oral approx. equal to Hydrocodone = 30 mg oral

You always want to stay on the low side when converting with tramadol because its an atypical opioid and has other, dangerous side effects are higher doses.

So, going with your 500mg tramadol number, that equals (500 / 150 = 3.333333....), (30 x 3.333333.... = 99.9999999 or ~100mg) hydrocodone...which is, well, a lot of hydrocodone.

I would start somewhere between 70 and 80mg of hydrocodone (which, if we're still going by the conversion formula in the chart, is between 350 and 400mg of tramdol).

There is, of course, going to be some variability in the conversion I just worked out and the one in the chart, treat these as a starting point and not absolute truth, and always err on the side of caution when doing conversions (the lower end of a range of doses if safer than the higher end of the range).

Good luck :)
 
WTF? lol I've got 2.5/500 Hydros!!... That's..... well... let me do the math...

500/25-356+92=100dividedby ...... .. . That's approximately 6 metric fuck-tons of 2.5mg pills......

(70mg/2.5 = 28 2.5/500hydro... that's 12-shy of my entire bottle... for one dose LOL)

I'm glad I found out about the CWE thing... else that would have been 14grams of APAP.... which I'm not a chemist or a doctor.... but I think that would turn your liver into something reminiscent of a block of finely aged baby-swiss cheese......

Thanks for all the help! =D
 
14 grams (that's 14,000mg for those counting) is an very high dose of APAP and you're pretty accurate about what that would do to your liver my friend.

CWEing is the way to do it most of the time when you're eating with opiate/NSAID (Tylenol/APAP/Ibuprofen, etc) products.
 
tolerence builds I use to use 5-10mg hydrocodone and that would be amazing years ago now I have a tolerence of 25-30mg I think I should switch to oxycodone and I haven't used hydrocodone for many months except for one time a couple weeks ago.
 
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