Well i was reading this other message board, talking about the overseas places, and a guy posted a message saying that there are opiate type drugs that are similar to hydrocodone/oxycodone but they are "different" and not sold here in the USA. "supposedly" similar potency.. I dont know there are tons of them listed as opiates, codeine the cheapest and then some other ones..i couldn't find anything searching on the net though..oh well..