loperamide...sucks

[Chaley Tuna]

This is my firs post ever on any site after lurking on this one and many others and I just felt the need to share my story. Btw I'm 22 and a male

My opiate abuse began when I was in high school - hydrocodone for surgery - I mainly smoked pot and drank when I was in high school but my true love was opiates. I loved how confident they made me feel, how much energy they gave me, and basically warm feelings all over my body is the best feeling ever. Skip forward to later on in high school and I was in love with percocets and morphine. I ended up missing taking a dose of morphine one day and got super sick. Basically like throwing up stomach bile everywhere and my parents take me to hospital because no one knew what was wrong.

After the whole hospital incident I didn't touch another opiate for about 2 years, probably helped that I was prescribed aderrall and geetered all through college. When I got back from college after my first year, I didn't return back, my brother started basically giving me hydrocodone, morphine, and oxycodone like it was nothing. Needless to say I was hooked and now playing the game. Eventually it got to where I was spending the whole day and all of my money for literally whatever I could find - roxys, tabs, morphine...whatever. I was also going through a pretty rough break up and the pills numbed it all.

So after about a year and a half of playing the game, running around finding pills, doing whatever I could so I wouldn't go into withdrawal - that's where the biggest nightmare of my life came in. One night while researching how to stop the withdrawals I stumbled across claims where people halted there withdrawals by taking about 50+ mg of loperamide (active ingredient in immodium - I may refer to them as lope or shit meds). So I had to run to wal mart to try it and sure enough it worked. So I went back and forth from opiates to lope, lope to opiates. That was until I got a big boy 8-5 legit real job. I decided to quit opiates and just use lope...worst decision of my life.

It has now been a year and half since I decide to use lope. Through that year it helped me quit opiates and smoking cigs. Things were great until I tried to quit taking the lope and got the worse withdrawals of my life. I eventually went on kratom for a couple months. At first it was just for the withdrawals but then turned into anothe addiction. So started the cycle of lope to kratom, kratom to lope. At one point I was at at least 100 mg of lope a day.

This kind of leads me to where I am today. This is my 1639392629304 time trying to quit this shit. I'm on day 4 without lope. Throughout all of this though I re kindled a fire with a highschool girlfriend. Eventually moved in and got married. She and our future kids are the reason I've decided once and for all I'm finally done. Right now I'm taking neurontin throughout the day and night along with some hash,wax,and flowers in the morning and evenings. So far with the neurontin and trees, along with eating better and excercising,it hasn't been to awful bad right now. But I have read of people being in withdrawal from this for months so I know the battles just starting. I've been clean for over a month recently but a little relapse binge through that off.

Sorry if this is all over the place. I'm at work and doing this on my breaks. I just feel like my story should be out there so people can really see that you can get addicted to lope and have withdrawals. So avoid it if at all possible. I'm not going to proof read this or anything but if anyone has any questions about the withdrawal process or any specifics on my story feel free to message me or just ask on here. If any needs any support I'm here

-2na

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I would highly recommend kicking the lope and just moving over to kratom, and then slowly taper off the kratom (lower you doses by small bits each day until you are barely using any, then hop off). Kratom is extremely gentle compared to traditional opiates and the withdrawals are minimal. I've been using kratom in heavy-ish doses at least 2x a day, very, very routinely (same time, every day, same dose), sometimes more doses on occasional days. I have stopped cold turkey for out-of-town trips where I wouldn't have access to ANY drugs, kratom, weed, NOTHING and the "withdrawal" was limited to some insomnia, anxiety and cold sweats...all VERY easily remedied by Benedryl (for sleep) and LIGHT alcohol use & positive social settings. In short, I was using the strongest strain of kratom I've ever tried in the habit stated above, and then just hopped on a plane to NYC to visit family. The first night or two I had trouble falling asleep but I was craving weed for that more than anything, and some Benedryl knocked me right out. Woke up the next day craving my routine morning dose but soon forgot about it after the day's activities began, I started chatting with family, going places, etc.. Then, at the bar, just sipping on beer and hanging out with family...I forgot what drugs were. Within 3 days, I wasn't even thinking about my routine morning doses anymore. When I got home a week later, I *almost* said fuck it and tossed my stash because I had successfully kicked the habit and wasn't craving it. I simply dosed again for pure recreational purposes but didn't need to.

In light of that experience, give it a try! YMMV

 

[Chaley Tuna]

Thanks for the consideration Seattle - I've used kratom as a taper before successfully but I tried it a couple weeks ago to no avail (sometimes I have shit self control and the source for the kratom last time wasn't good). Currently the funds aren't there to order any , might be 1-2 weeks before I could. I don't want to waste 3 weeks of being clean to hop onto kratom for possibly another addiction. Also kratom causes me to have a lot of mental withdrawal issues.

The neurontin I feel like is helping a ton with pretty much every symptom of withdrawal. I've been getting 4-8 hours of sleep from it and the shatter I've been dabbing. If at the end of the 3 weeks I feel shitty I may decide to order some for a taper...who knows.

I'm so ready to be over this shit that I kind of feel like I deserve a long slow withdrawal.


Oh well - it's day 4 and my 3rd day at work, and thanks to the neurontin and trees (unfortunately I don't live anywhere it's legal or medicinal so I've got to settle with my towns chronic and the occasional hash/wax flood), I feel pretty damn good. My wife is helping a lot with boosting my mood this time through so I think I'm finally going to be able to beat this. Ill post each day to kind of do a timeline of the withdrawal and how my neurontin and smoke helps. Much love to anyone who reads this or is going through anything similar.

Also have you heard anything about a ban on the import of kratom? All the shops in town that sell are all out and they blame it on the import ban

-2na

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Thanks for the consideration Seattle - I've used kratom as a taper before successfully but I tried it a couple weeks ago to no avail (sometimes I have shit self control and the source for the kratom last time wasn't good). Currently the funds aren't there to order any , might be 1-2 weeks before I could. I don't want to waste 3 weeks of being clean to hop onto kratom for possibly another addiction. Also kratom causes me to have a lot of mental withdrawal issues.

The neurontin I feel like is helping a ton with pretty much every symptom of withdrawal. I've been getting 4-8 hours of sleep from it and the shatter I've been dabbing. If at the end of the 3 weeks I feel shitty I may decide to order some for a taper...who knows.

I'm so ready to be over this shit that I kind of feel like I deserve a long slow withdrawal.


Oh well - it's day 4 and my 3rd day at work, and thanks to the neurontin and trees (unfortunately I don't live anywhere it's legal or medicinal so I've got to settle with my towns chronic and the occasional hash/wax flood), I feel pretty damn good. My wife is helping a lot with boosting my mood this time through so I think I'm finally going to be able to beat this. Ill post each day to kind of do a timeline of the withdrawal and how my neurontin and smoke helps. Much love to anyone who reads this or is going through anything similar.

Also have you heard anything about a ban on the import of kratom? All the shops in town that sell are all out and they blame it on the import ban

-2na

There is no "import ban" so to speak, but it's getting more expensive to export it from it's source countries. Essentially, the kratom market has gone from a tiny underground nitch group of herbalists to exploding into the hands of buzz-chasing teens and head shops everywhere. The governments of the countries that export it are inevitably taking notice and they want their cut. "Kratom taxes", regulations, and such are being introduced, coupled with general rising costs of production, which is driving up the cost and availability down for the vendors, and subsequently the consumers. The best way to get kratom is to find a good vendor, develop a personal relationship with them, and then haggle out bulk-deals for kg's of kratom at a time.

I cringe at the amount of money I just recently dropped to build up a serious stash of good kratom, but it's the smartest thing to do. I know I will probably never stop using kratom unless I physically cannot obtain it, and the prices will probably never stop increasing and availability is going to steadily decrease as well, so the smartest time to stock up is NOW. With the unnerving increase in kratom's unfortunate popularity and false-glorification of non-existent effects (the media loves to say it gives hallucinations, induces mania, is stronger than heroin, etc.. which is all absolutely absurd and false-er than Falsey Falserton from Falseville, Falseifornia, in the United Statements of Falseness), this gentle, subtle, extremely useful and helpful herb is staring down the barrel of being unfairly scheduled right next to dangerous narcotics and synthetic street drugs. If KAVA KAVA can be bought and sold in grocery stores everywhere as an 'herbal anxiety reducer' and can even be bought, sold and consumed in a KAVA BAR, then kratom too has NO place on the list of schedules. I find kava WAY more intoxicating, debilitating, nausea-inducing, and narcotic-drug-like than kratom ever was. Then again, who said our laws made sense...

 

[neversickanymore]

Hey Tuna.. and welcome to BL.

I didn't here much tuna responsibility.. damn lope saved me from withdrawals for a year, but in the end I ended up having to do the worst withdrawals out of the one withdrawal I did anyway, cant belive i still ended up paying the piper (everybody has to pay in the end).. accepting responsibility and consequences what unfair crap.. no way its my brothers fault, or wait no its the lopes fault.. or wait no I don't care whose fault it is as long as tunas not on the hook and held responsible for how he chose to behave

Lope is an opiate and you were already hooked before you started taking it.. remeber that's why you started taking it? nest time taper off.. its likely one of the easiest tapers.. so easy i who cant tapper anything may even be able to pull it off.

Not putting ya down, for real.. .. just its pretty important to assume responsibility for ones actions when it comes to drugs if we want anything close to a successful experiences.

 

[Chaley Tuna]

Thanks for the welcome neversick - Oh trust me I know it's all of my responsibility. I blamed everyone else for the longest time until I realized it was me that needed to change and me that could've said no or turned something down.

I'm on day 5 now and I don't feel too bad at all. Got 7 hours of sleep last night. I've had some discomfort the past couple days minor/super fucking annoying rls, freezing at work, not to mention I ache everywhere, and lastly not to mention how much I've been shitting. I'm ready to finally get myself out of this hole I've dug and get my life back. I also made myself jog/walk 2 miles the other day and a 1 1/2 miles last night. I'm off to get ready for another day of work - thank god tomorrows Friday. Trying to keep a positive mind is hard at times but deff helps. I'm out.

-2na

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Thanks for the welcome neversick - Oh trust me I know it's all of my responsibility. I blamed everyone else for the longest time until I realized it was me that needed to change and me that could've said no or turned something down.

I'm on day 5 now and I don't feel too bad at all. Got 7 hours of sleep last night. I've had some discomfort the past couple days minor/super fucking annoying rls, freezing at work, not to mention I ache everywhere, and lastly not to mention how much I've been shitting. I'm ready to finally get myself out of this hole I've dug and get my life back. I also made myself jog/walk 2 miles the other day and a 1 1/2 miles last night. I'm off to get ready for another day of work - thank god tomorrows Friday. Trying to keep a positive mind is hard at times but deff helps. I'm out.

-2na

You sound like you're off to a wonderful start. At this point I wouldn't turn back, you're past the hardest part of it all, the first few days!! Day 5 is a whole work week in, you did that with no opiates, congratulations!! That's an achievement man, be proud.

I've been going WAY too heavy into the kratom lately, which is somewhat in part to my attempting to stop drinking alcohol. I already have years of daily kratom use behind me, I'm fully addicted and habituated, there is no denying that. I consider myself lucky though, because it could have been anything that grabbed me, luckily is was something pretty benign like kratom. I have the softest soft spot for opiates and cannot say no, much like yourself. Any time I happen across some percocets, I nearly clear my account buying them up and they last a matter of days, it's just how it is with this stuff man. I have to be proud of myself too though, I have successfully turned down the offer. I cut off my only contact I have and tell them no any time they try to poke back in with a "Hey , got some more, need any?" text. I just know it's bad for me and it took years of learning to realize it. I'm proud to say that things like vicodin, percocet and the like are purely a rare treat that I get to enjoy on occasion. They still have that "forbidden fruit" appeal to me, which is just so awesome given my past with them. Could be worse!

Having said that, I ran out of kratom and USPS fucked me and didn't deliver on time. I'm going on day two no kratom, first time in a lonngggg time without it after months and months of ~9g doses 2-3x every single day, routinely. Aside from really craving some, and lacking motivation, I'm good to go. No shits, or sweats, RLS or anything of the sort. If I felt this way and didn't know why, I'd blame mild allergies. That's as bad as this "withdrawal" is. I'm flabbergasted at the people who claim it to be "worse than heroin withdrawal". Seriously???

I need to start on heroin then.

 

[Hallucinogens R US]

Never again will I take loperamide. The withdrawal from that was BY FAR the WORST withdrawal I've had from any drug imo. And the number 1 offending symptom: Restless fucking Leg Syndrome. Probably the most uncomfortable and irritating sensation iv experienced.. I cannot tell you how grateful I am to not be mega-dosing that crap anymore, let alone taking it at all. I highly recommend getting off of this drug as soon as possible, you're gonna have to pay the piper sooner or later so ya might as well just toughen up and face it once and for all

 

[opiophile72p]

Honestly the best way i have found to kick an opiate habit is just to stop. go through withdrawals and suck it up. You can mask it with whatever you want but when you quit that, guess what, its your old pal WD. Just quit and ride it out. it sucks but it is so much easier than getting hooked on something else and then trying to quit that. All your doing is moving from one addiction to the next. eventually you will have to deal with WD so might as well just do it upfront and get it over with

 

[Hallucinogens R US]

Honestly the best way i have found to kick an opiate habit is just to stop. go through withdrawals and suck it up. You can mask it with whatever you want but when you quit that, guess what, its your old pal WD. Just quit and ride it out. it sucks but it is so much easier than getting hooked on something else and then trying to quit that. All your doing is moving from one addiction to the next. eventually you will have to deal with WD so might as well just do it upfront and get it over with

Absolutely. You can keep it at bay for as long as you want but sooner or later it's gonna put a pesky monkey on your back. Just gotta suck it up and face it, cuz once you grt through it it's a fucking victory and a huge relief