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Opioids Loperamide (Immodium) Megathread: We have now lost at least 2 of our own from Lope

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CoKAzNReBel: the good news is, presuming your heart was OK before, will likely recover back to normal. I know 'cause I've been there. Same symptoms. Started with fainting, then in the hospital they figured out it was ventricular tachycardia and prolonged QTC. Loperamide was the only drug I was on (no cimetadine). There are at least two published cases that I know of in the literature where this has happened as a result of megadosing loperamide. This is absolutely true. Stay away from the lope. It's not worth it.
 
happydaysover: I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for your bravery in sharing your experience and trying to help save lives.
 
katcarson said:
CoKAzNReBel: the good news is, presuming your heart was OK before, will likely recover back to normal. I know 'cause I've been there. Same symptoms. Started with fainting, then in the hospital they figured out it was ventricular tachycardia and prolonged QTC. Loperamide was the only drug I was on (no cimetadine). There are at least two published cases that I know of in the literature where this has happened as a result of megadosing loperamide. This is absolutely true. Stay away from the lope. It's not worth it.
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Did you get paddle shocked? My ekg is still really messed up but getting better.
 
Yep. Cardioverted 25+ times wide awake and lucid for the experience. Nothing sucks more. EKG should improve as the loperamide withdraws from your system if it goes according to previous cases. Can I ask, are you still in the hospital?
 
happydaysover, I am so so so sorry for your loss. I am just sitting here thinking of my parents and my secret opiate abuse....life can be so sad and cruel. I have tried lope in about the 20-40mg dose range and felt no effects and was actually thinking about going for the 80 to 100mg range, but now I am not.

Are you sure he was not addicted to opiates? You did say he had tried poppy seed tea...did he not like it or get addicted to it, maybe? The reason being, he went to great lengths to get all of those ingredients for potentiation. This knowledge on what ingredients to use and even find would need some extensive research and experience. Did he see that all in the one post? If so, how did he end up on an opiate abuse page?

I am so sorry for your loss, god....so so sad. I too live in Australia, please PM me.

I don't give what two fucks shits anyone says, this is the direct result of the war on drugs. A direct result. Fuck all you right wing fucktards.
 
katcarson said:
Yep. Cardioverted 25+ times wide awake and lucid for the experience. Nothing sucks more. EKG should improve as the loperamide withdraws from your system if it goes according to previous cases. Can I ask, are you still in the hospital?
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I got an initial difribulated hardcore paddle shock because I was in tachycardia, I was unconscious. Only that one shock. My qt is 5 right now, on no medication . In thirty minutes here I'll be going in for another echocardiogram. If you have any information to help the docs would be awesome

Been here 12 days
 
I am PMing you some information -- hang in there! EDIT: They're holding my PM hostage for a couple of hours, so I'll pm later. I won't forget. :)
 
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Don't take lope to get high kids. It wont work, and if it does, you'll probably meet your maker.

Codeine is about as easy to get hold of, and its just as cheap. Just buy 32x co-codamol 8/500 pills and CWE and voila! You'll have more or less a quarter of a gram of codeine (~256mg depending on your skills @ CWE, equipotent to 20-30mg morphine). If codeine isn't OTC in your country, there are ways of getting it on Rx pretty easily without having to hurt yourself or get injured. I won't discuss how openly, but you can PM me for more info on that.

Failing that, theres always kratom.
 
Tommyboy said:
Due to the loperamide overdoses mentioned in this thread we are going to focus strictly on the use of loperamide for staving off withdrawals and disallow discussion of using it to get high.

Myself and the rest of the Other Drugs moderators have discussed this and have concluded that the relatively high risk to low reward ratio make it that it's not in the best interest of harm reduction to advocate getting high off of this drug
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Very well two deaths isn't a lot imo though, like every drug I take has more kills than that.
 
f33lg00d said:
Very well two deaths isn't a lot imo though, like every drug I take has more kills than that.
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Respectfully, there are more deaths and near-deaths than just the two reported here. Speaking for myself, I wasn't attempting to get high, just holding off opiate withdrawal when my heart decided to quit ticking. It's all in the quantity and time.
 
f33lg00d - there should be pretty much zero deaths from a drug like loperamide. It isn't suppose to cross the BBB, but it appears when it does - it wrecks havoc.

Personally if I haven't taken a dose of opiates that would be fatal to pretty much 90% of the population (except for us opioveterns) then I feel like I've missed breakfast or something.

For the record said doses prevent me from behaving like Renton in the "cold turkey" scene of Trainspotting. Actually, has anyone ever had opioid withdrawals like that? That would be sick as hell.
 
katcarson said:
Respectfully, there are more deaths and near-deaths than just the two reported here. Speaking for myself, I wasn't attempting to get high, just holding off opiate withdrawal when my heart decided to quit ticking. It's all in the quantity and time.
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Yeah I understand but still there isn't large amounts of ppl dying. What dose were you on?
 
I'm kind of shocked at how people with no actual experience are even allowed to give their opinion on this - given that:

1. It can be very dangerous
2. It can reduce the suffering of addicts and even get them completely out of withdrawal
3. It can give you some opiate-like pleasure if you're just a random drug-user

In fact, I had a conversation with another poster about this, about the use of the cheap 2 mg ones you can get in 200 bottles. And he said, like me, if he took 80 he would just feel some blah-okay-like feeling without any discomfort or strong drug cravings. But if he upped it to 120 it definitely gave it the sensation of a low dose of opiate.

I would say it could be compared to many things, depending on your habits or tolerance. Kratom or Codeine for a newbie, maybe. Even a low dose of Morphine for someone experienced. It definetely does satiate your cravings.

I'm sure it's very unhealthy, though. I would take it 6 days in a row, or as long as the bottles lasted, and in the end I started feeling really sick and got vision problems, like I saw cross-eyed. It should really only be kept around to be used once in a while when you get cravings, opiate-addicts should definitely stock up on it, and I guess it could also help for benzo-withdrawals the way other opiates do.
 
im not sure i understand this heart thing, i was just about to go buy a bunch of lope to try and kick but decided to see whats new in this thread real fast. Youre saying that it builds up in your system, and something about it stops your heart but its not from an opiate overdose?

also i think banning talk about trying to get high on lope is a bad idea just because it has a shitty buzz. people should know as much as possible, including that it has a shitty high that isnt worth it, as well as how dangerous it can be. the more people that test it out and report negative experiences now the less it should happen down the road, let these guys pioneer this shit and get it out of the way forever. id rather read post after post of people being disappointed than a couple saying it sucked and a couple saying it kinda worked which is sorta where were at now. maybe its just me but if i were curious about this and doing research id be much more likely to try it out if it seems like it has potential but hasnt been checked out enough.
 
Let me help elaborate a bit.

Loperamide is directly related to methadone - which has known cardiotoxicity.

Now, I'll ask you again - do you really wanna take all that lope? No, didn't think so. If your that desperate go buy some codeine.

Trying to get high on lope has a very REAL chance you doing you very serious, lasting harm. Like death. More so than trying to get high off other pharms. Just don't do it.
 
CoKAzNReBel said:
I've been in the ICU for 11 days from the combination of loperamide and cimetadine. The muscle weakness you guys describe, is your heart giving out. I went into ventricular tachycardia and am extremely lucky to be alive. The cimetadine elongated the half life, so if you think your taking 150mg a day, your accumulating 25% per day. My blood levels were in the multigram range, and this prolongs your QTc interval of your heart. If you want to live, stop taking them now, go to the ER and get a EKG. I shouldn't be alive
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I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. Thank you so much for sharing and high lighting the dangers of lope. I really hope you make a full and speedy recovery. Thinking of you and your family.
 
Hi, my son wasn't a member of bluelight. I came across this thread during my research to try and understand how something he thought was a harmless high could have resulted in his death.
He literally read one post on reddit/drugs and took it at face value. It was not like him not to research things properly but in this instance he was a stupid teenager and just jumped in feet first! Normally he would talk to us but we believe he hid firstly because we told him it was stupid to take large amounts of anything of the shelf to get an opiate high and secondly he was broke so he probably stole them.
I feel so stupid now for not questioning him further about what the off the shelf product was.
As well as trying to warn others about lope (my continuing research is showing it to be more more dangerous than I first thought) I have also learned a lot about taking drugs and the people who do and their reasons for doing so.
My son wasn't an opiate addict but he was walking down a road that could very well of lead to him being. He found life hard and was just trying to self medicate. If he had got weed this time he would probay have found lope the next time he couldn't get any.
If I have saved only you from making the same mistake then my sons death won't have been in vain.
One thing I will say to you though as a parent. Don't try to protect your patents. Believe me they would rather know now and help you than you suffer or even die behind there backs.
The guilt as a parent for not seeing is unbearable.
Stay strong
 
I would also like to thank you all including the moderators for taking this issue seriously and for sharing your experiences. I've been doing a lot of research to try and understand how lope could have killed my son. The paramedics thought probably heart failure or respiratory failure but as I said before it will be sometime until I know exactly.
During my search I came across a case study published on 14th feb. 2014.
375 people who claimed to have interactions on the recommended dose of loperamide who were also on venaflaxine a common antidepressant/anxiety medication were tested for effects. Amongst other side effects 90 of them suffered respiratory problems. I will try and post the link.
It just goes to show how little is actually known about this drug and it's effects and interactions.
Stay safe guys
 
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