Bupe Lope+DXM=Total relief from bupe withdrawal?

[dhopeless]

I normal IV about 16 mgs of Subutex a day. Well I'm running a bit low for a couple days so today I have only taken 5mgs about 4 hours ago. I was starting to get sick about 2 hours ago, was getting chills, sweats, ect. I am planning on tripping on DXM tonight and I was preparing a solution of 645mgs of DXM to take later by squeezing the liquid out of the cough gells into water and discarding the gelatin crap that seems to give people nausea. I also took a mere 6mgs of loperamide before I started doing this. Well I kept licking my fingers and sucking on the empty gel caps to get any little bit of DXM out of them. Well half way thought this tedious I started to feel totally fine, no longer sick at all! I also feel a little under the influence of DXM, perhaps at a 1st plateau. So maybe I accidentally ingested around 100mgs of DXM in this process. Well at this point, it's been about 45 minutes since I started feeling this, I feel HIGH on opiates! I don't understand. I think that their might be some interesting synergy between lope and DXM. I know that DXM and other dissociative drugs can help with w/ds but this is crazy... I feel fine. In fact, I feel pretty damn good! Just thought I'd share this for anyone dealing with bupe w/ds, or any opiate w/ds for that matter. Both DXM and loperamide are available OTC, making it a conveniently working combo. Any thoughts on this?

 

[tricomb]

I'm guessing it's mostly the subutex you took, what? four hours ago? DXM partially works on the opiate receptors, and loperamide for sure does. I don't know for sure, but my guess is placebo

 

[Jabberwocky]

Loperamide sure is a funny drug... Here is some of my experience using DXM and loperamide recently...

230mg DXM got me through w/d without even the aid of the loperamide. Taking 230mg (although a couple days I took more) for a week would probably be enough. It was such a god send, the DXM I mean. I didn't feel withdrawal AT ALL. Amazing. The DXM even seems to keep me from pissing out my ass, although the farts were a little intense...

On the other hand, as I am now on Suboxone, I've discovered that even with my newfound tolerance to bupe I can actually get high on the loperamide alone if I want to take a day off from the subs or run out. 150mg loperamide to 200mg, especially taken with some diphenhydramine and tamaget will actually get you high, my friend.

So, what I'm saying is you will be fine in terms of withdrawal using DXM. The loperamide, at a low dose, surely won't hurt, although I'd try not using it. Only use it if you have to, or find yourself pissing out your ass. If you want you can even take a day off the DXM and take a wopping dose of the loperamide. It's so wierd - lope used to constipate me serverly at doses of 4-12mg. But for some reason these days I can take 180mg one day and be shitting more or less normally a day later (albeit, the shit it humongous).

I think you'd get the strongest opioid effect from the loperamide by potentiating it with diphen and tagamet, rather than DXM, although also adding DXM wouldn't necessarily hurt. Honestly though, I would stick to either the DXM (maybe a small dose of lope if you're having GI issues, which you just might not have thanks to the DXM) OR take a huge dose of lope with potentiation.

GOOD LUCK!

See: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...-the-Acute-Stage-of-Heroin-W-D-AND-addiction-!

p.s. And I've barely begun to feel lope with potentiation at doses of loperamide as low as 40mg, with effects becoming very apparent at 80-100mg.

 

[dhopeless]

Huh.... that sure is interesting toothpastedog. Lol I got a kick out of your sn when I was tripping last night. What does that mean exactly? Anyways, last time I took 40 or 60mgs of lope I did not shit for a week! Although it did take me out of w/ds completely, it wasn't worth the painful constipation. Some say that lope does not constipate them anymore than any other opiate, and that used to be the case for me, but not anymore. Also, subutex never constipated me until recently either, maybe I'm just getting old (I'm 23 and I don't feel 60, but I don't feel 16 either...injecting pills is probably responsible for most of that...) Afa DXM goes, well I can't seem to figure this stuff out. 75mgs doesn't do a damn thing, but say 90 or 105 and I'm getting a wierd glowing euphoria and out of w/d! And of course if I take like 600 mgs then I'll be on the god damn moon for 8 hours... but that's a different story. I'm starting a DXM maintance regime to control my subutex tolerance and stop injecting my pills. DXM seems to be helping take my mind off the needle and keep my tolerance low, thus helping me not use the needle.

 

[trocious]

^hmmm dhopeless, sounds interesting. I know how it is when all you can think about is that little routine you'll do, playing doctor with your veins. It is definitely hard to stick it out, and it sounds like the DXM is helping. I'll definitely give this trick a shot if I'm really craving some dope or something else to inject.

:0

 

[fm1983]

16mg iv? good lord, that's an insane dose.

 

[dhopeless]

Yeah it's more like 8-12 mgs a day, usually a 4mg shot in the morning then a couple more 2 or 4 mgs throughout the day depending on how I feel and how long I can make my script last. I know I need to cut down to more like 1mg< shots at a time. I'm trying.

 

[laCster]

most opiates have various actions other than just mu-opiate antagonism such as sigma-1 receptor agonists (oxy) and NRI properties (tramadol, nucynta).

NMDA antagonists have beeen shown to combate w/d and cravings

 

[Jabberwocky]

Huh.... that sure is interesting toothpastedog. Lol I got a kick out of your sn when I was tripping last night. What does that mean exactly? Anyways, last time I took 40 or 60mgs of lope I did not shit for a week! Although it did take me out of w/ds completely, it wasn't worth the painful constipation. Some say that lope does not constipate them anymore than any other opiate, and that used to be the case for me, but not anymore. Also, subutex never constipated me until recently either, maybe I'm just getting old (I'm 23 and I don't feel 60, but I don't feel 16 either...injecting pills is probably responsible for most of that...) Afa DXM goes, well I can't seem to figure this stuff out. 75mgs doesn't do a damn thing, but say 90 or 105 and I'm getting a wierd glowing euphoria and out of w/d! And of course if I take like 600 mgs then I'll be on the god damn moon for 8 hours... but that's a different story. I'm starting a DXM maintance regime to control my subutex tolerance and stop injecting my pills. DXM seems to be helping take my mind off the needle and keep my tolerance low, thus helping me not use the needle.

Yes, the un... Okay, so years and years ago (I be 24 these days) when I was first setting up a yahoo email account I've long since forgotten the password to, I wanted to come up with a un I'd forget and that might be a little creative. At the time I was eating a hotdog. Next to my comp on the desk was some toothpaste I'd just purchased (when I also purchased said weener). And voilà, toothpasedog was born.

Everyone is different, so if lope makes you SO consitpated forget about it for now. Given what you've written about DXM (which was almost my initial reaction to it when I tried it semi recently to help with w/d), I'd say go with day. Start on the first/second plateau with about 230mg (the amount in the generic DM bottles I see at my drugstore, but anything from 180-300 will keep you in this range), and if you feel like it experiment with going higher (like 460 and then 690, as you can read I did in that link).

Seriously, I used to HATE DXM. HATE HATE HATE HATE. A long time ago I used it precisely because it would disorient me, and totally made me forget the w/d. Low and behold, as the above post points out, DXM actually has a LOT of properties that make it ideal for treating ACUTE w/d (the first one and a half-three weeks in give or take). Of course, that is assuming you've become acclimated and do not mind it's dissociative effect.

I must admit, sometimes now I prefer to focus on the dissociation, and potentiate it with Tagamet (haha, awesome OTC drug, which potentiates both opioids and NDMA receptor antagonists ). Having the racetam/Piracetam to minimize the dissosiative "Woah-I-Really-Fucked-Up" feeling when taking it day after day, as that link details, surely was a god send though. I don't think I could manage taking it daily without a racetam.

In a nutshell, everyone's different, yes... But, I honestly don't think I'd be sober today with out the DXM (and piracetam). Take that for whatever you will, as I know a LOT of people do not like DXM (like 2/3 of the people who try it according to W.W.'s manual), but I'm inclined to say it pretty much saved my life. This time ...

Oh yes, and while I totally understand the desire, taking DXM @ 230mg for four to six days surely is safer than I.V.ing subutex. Unless you are really rigorous with your procedure, use a barrel filter, etc. etc. But even then I'm very hesitant to say it's any better than DXM.

Let us know how things work out for you! Hope this finds you well!!!

 

[twato]

That's exactly what I use to get over H WDs. High 2nd/low third plat DXM doses on days 2 and 3, combined with a hefty (50mg+) dose of loperamide. As long as I don't have to work or interact with people, the dissociation doesn't matter to me, and by day 4 I usually feel somewhat better, so I begin to taper the lope, maybe 5mg per day. 10 days later I'm through.

The worst, if you can call it that, are two trippy nights and a few days of sleeping badly/night sweats after discontinuing the lope, but that's nothing compared to the awful symptoms I suffered through before discovering this combo. The only problem is the craving for some sort of high while tapering, but weed helps me a lot with that (a real shame some people can't enjoy bud in situations like that).

Some people might argue I'm not getting clean because I still smoke the green, but fuck 'em, I've always been somewhat of a stoner, and as long as I'm off opiates smoking weed doesn't count in my book at all.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Gosh... I haven't endulged in any DXM or any other NDMA antagonist in a couple weeks, and today I was feeling really off (suboxone prescribing issue leaving me w/o my daily 8mg dose for three days) so I decided it might be helpful to down some DXM.

230mg has me feeling like a TOTALLY new person. Certainly, the drug has lost it's trippy I'm fucked up feeling, but then again, I also took a lot of piracetam this morning... anyways, I'm rather productive now too, which is certainly not normal when I'm on DXM. Actually approaching 90WPM, and averaging between 70 and 80, which is, well, rather unusual.

IDXM

EDIT:...45+ minutes later, haha, okay, maybe I'm a LITTLE fucked up. Crystal Castles never sounds SOOOooo good The Tagamet sure helps add a little to the intoxication, for sure.

 

[yonkers]

ive been on subs for about 6 months now. When i was shootin up h i would do it as much as possible and whenever i had the money or ride to get it. it became a habbit as well as nucynta (favorite over h) i wud shoot those up also. When i was broke or couldnt get dope id take dxm. usualy mucinex because it lasted all day, i started at 700 mg doses (used to the dex trip) and ended up taking 1500- 1700 a day for about 3 weeks straight and wud shoot up h while on it. I loved the dissociative effect and didnt crave any opiates while trippin (didnt realize until tonight that dxm actualy helps wds)

Now that i've been on subs for awhile my life has been so boring and i miss banging dope and just the hole confidence that came along with it. I've done dex 3 times since ive been on subs and just got sick everytime. ive also been iving my subs. Im getting sick of being bored all the time even when im chillin with my friends so im tapering off the subs and will use dxm to get off it fully. I feel like subs just made my life worse, or maybe i wasnt ready cuz im still young who knows.

really hope subs didnt fuck up dex for me for good

 

[Moe-D]

This sounds interesting, since im inna bupe W/D's myself.. I've done DXM once and the high from it was pleasant as I look back.. The hangover from it was so unpleasant that I dont really know if to do it again... In Finland DXM is only available in a cough syrup form and you have to extraxt the Sorbitol (D-glusitol, D-Sorbitol) out of it. The final solution tastes like citrousacid.

 

[socio]

Sorry if I'm repeating a settled answer, but IME lope alone, and lope+dxm, can do a very good job of reducing Suboxone withdrawal. You need a lot of lope. Enough, and it may well leave you feeling quite well.