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Looking for the best treatment for myself. Heroin/meth treatment/Iboga/12 step

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I Relapsed on heroin and meth and this is reall getting out of my hands, I've tried traditional rehab centers, but I heard about the iboga treatment and instantly I was interested on it, my hopes went down when I saw the prices. I dont know if I should give another try to the rehab centers here in my town or near towns with 12 step recovery program and without treatment for the withdrawal, I'm also kind of scared bc I've have never consumed for so long and I don't know what to expect, or maybe Idk If me or my family will survive another of my relapses, or maybe they will don't support me in next relapses (that´s the most probable) So If I should to chooose between all the options to treat my addictions, ¿what will you recommend me? I still thinking that iboga Is my best option, but I'm also all ears to the people who went through this in their lifes.
 
I've been in several different types of rehab and detox including : Detox in jail, Detox in hospital, Cognitive therapy rehab, AA-based rehab, and Narconon which is totally different that the others in many ways. I also went to canada and was treated with ibogaine, its was amazing i went from dope sick to fine in 30min. and then proceeded to trip for about 40 hours. I would highly recommend Ibogaine above all the other treatments if you can afford it. My advice is to arrange a good setting for afterwords, its a huge mistake to pay for that treatment and then return to the same people, places, and habits that you were getting high in/with. I would be happy to answer any other questions you have.
 
What part of the world are you in OP?

Have you thought about buprenorphine or methadone, as they are free/covered by insurance in many place? Plus you sound like you would benefit from the stability of a maintenance therapy. Just a thought.
 
Methadone is the only thing that has worked for me though I haven't had Iboga. I have to say I am skeptical of its supposed magic.
 
Iboga/ibogaine is no panacea, but as a SAM type therapy it is has amazing potential. The legal aspect in the US makes it less than practical here though. Personally I find DXM more useful, but that is largely because ibogaine is a longer commitment and has more potential side effects (well, I guess that is assuming you can tolerate the DXM to begin with). Iono, some people need stability more than anything though. Iboga is great once there is some stability, that is my opinion.
 
toothpastedog: I don´t think here in Mexico people work with that time of therapies, I've heard of one or two that were on methadone but just that, Is like people in positions of power don´t want people who support their drug/rehab/big pharma dirty bussines. One question, when u say DXM are you saying dextrometorphane like the compound in Benadryl? what are the therapeutical propierties of this substance related to the opiod dependence? Of course, but for some people maybe Iboga could be the point of rupture of the rutine of addiction, so they can gain some stability, but If you say economical stability, indeed, the treatment is relativetely expensive, Lot of people who need this can't pay for this, or they don't even know there's this kind of therapies.
 
I think I'ts good to have a healthy skepticism about everything, and I feel good for you for have found your succesful treatment, many people who I have talekd to who were still addicts to H. Have went some time on their lifes on methadone but in the end they always ended up shooting, or they got hoooked too on methadone, Idk why if methadone don't give the high of opioids. And one last thing, don´t mix magic with science bro.
 
As I've told you i'm in the sonora/arizona frontier, thanks for your comments, what would yo say are the beneffits of that kind of therapy vs IBOGa experiences ?
toothpastedog said:
What part of the world are you in OP?

Have you thought about buprenorphine or methadone, as they are free/covered by insurance in many place? Plus you sound like you would benefit from the stability of a maintenance therapy. Just a thought.
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Personally I'm a firm believer that a person won't stay sober until they truly want to live a sober life. Sobriety is difficult as fuck, withdrawals are hell but just staying clean afterwards can be hell too. I don't know the whole dynamic or your life and drugs and what led you to drugs, I just think that you should consider doing some soul searching (or whatever you wanna call it lol) to try and find some answers as to why the other treatment options didn't work and why the relapses have happened after other detoxes. I mean, say you found the money and figured out a way to go through with the ibogaine detox/treatment, after it's completed and you're back dealing with the same shit that makes you wanna use, if you haven't made any changes to the root of the problem of what keeps drawing you back to using, the chances of you relapsing again are highly likely. In my opinion the best thing for you to do would be to try and figure out why you haven't been able to stay clean and focus on gaining a deeper understanding of whatever is keeping you from staying sober. If you find an awareness of what keeps leading you back to using drugs and then work towards changing that then once you get clean you'll have a much better chance at a successful recovery.
The different detox options you're considering are only ways to get through the withdrawals. Treatmemt options that use methadone and suboxone have been very successful, but in the end you are addicted to an even stronger opiod and both suboxone and methadone withdrawals are a million times worse than the worst heroin withdrawal imaginable. Suboxone and methadone programs do help people stay off of heroin but in the long run it isn't a good option for a lot of people because it keeps you hooked on a drug and getting off of either is extremely worse than what you'd go through now.
From what you posted it seems apparent that the issue isn't detoxing from the drugs- you've detoxed in many different ways and successfully gotten through your withdrawals- it's the fact that after you've detoxed you haven't been able to stay clean. This is a super long response but basically all I'm trying to say is that I think instead of focusing on different detox options you should focus on why you haven't been able to stay clean, figure out what that is and work towards fixing the root issue or changing it. That way once you figure out how to detox you'll be able to stay clean and focus on your recovery.
 
Wispydoper said:
Personally I'm a firm believer that a person won't stay sober until they truly want to live a sober life. Sobriety is difficult as fuck, withdrawals are hell but just staying clean afterwards can be hell too. I don't know the whole dynamic or your life and drugs and what led you to drugs, I just think that you should consider doing some soul searching (or whatever you wanna call it lol) to try and find some answers as to why the other treatment options didn't work and why the relapses have happened after other detoxes. I mean, say you found the money and figured out a way to go through with the ibogaine detox/treatment, after it's completed and you're back dealing with the same shit that makes you wanna use, if you haven't made any changes to the root of the problem of what keeps drawing you back to using, the chances of you relapsing again are highly likely. In my opinion the best thing for you to do would be to try and figure out why you haven't been able to stay clean and focus on gaining a deeper understanding of whatever is keeping you from staying sober. If you find an awareness of what keeps leading you back to using drugs and then work towards changing that then once you get clean you'll have a much better chance at a successful recovery.
The different detox options you're considering are only ways to get through the withdrawals. Treatmemt options that use methadone and suboxone have been very successful, but in the end you are addicted to an even stronger opiod and both suboxone and methadone withdrawals are a million times worse than the worst heroin withdrawal imaginable. Suboxone and methadone programs do help people stay off of heroin but in the long run it isn't a good option for a lot of people because it keeps you hooked on a drug and getting off of either is extremely worse than what you'd go through now.
From what you posted it seems apparent that the issue isn't detoxing from the drugs- you've detoxed in many different ways and successfully gotten through your withdrawals- it's the fact that after you've detoxed you haven't been able to stay clean. This is a super long response but basically all I'm trying to say is that I think instead of focusing on different detox options you should focus on why you haven't been able to stay clean, figure out what that is and work towards fixing the root issue or changing it. That way once you figure out how to detox you'll be able to stay clean and focus on your recovery.
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Thank you so much for your advice, I totally agree with you, but also I think that I can´t go on like this so I'l take this chance to take the detox and part of the treatment (fornot saying the whole treatment) is basicaly what you are saying, going to the root of myself and be aware of the issues keep me going to this autodestructive behaviors. I'll keep you informed on how this goes, I'm grateful for knowing there is people who understands this jurney and who are willing to hear what I have to say.
 
Tomorrow I'll make two weeks since I took my first flood of Ibogaine Hcl, it was a profounf experience in all levels, It's ridiculous bc The people in Gabon, Africa, Use like uhm, my dose x 10 or something like that. So I just touched the water with my feets, anyways I can say to everyone without doubt that the experience is very helpful If one took the preparation mentaly and emotionaly to extract every single drop of the treatment. Remember that is not a magical pill to cure adiction or nothing like that, That kind of magic pill stil doesnt exist. I meet amazing people both part of the clinical staff and the patients like me, I still worried a little bit for some people I meet in the clinic. I hope God take them in his hands and heal their bodies, their souls, their hearts, their minds, bc nobody deserves to suffer a life like that. I'm so thankfully with my family and the people who work with the Iboga, maybe they haven´t realized yet the potential this enteogenic plant has in transformative and life changing experiences with the right tools, not only the drug, I just hope they keep studying, learning, helping other people like me, and never never never ever stop sharing love and compassion straight from their hearts to all sensible beings. Thanks, thanks, thanks.
 
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