juno nightmare
Bluelighter
So I love to explore new molecules and the states of mind they provide.
Recently ive got back into the RC community after spending a few years mostly taking it easy on the Research Chemical front.
Im prescribed 90 mg of Methadone daily. Typically, I only take 80 mg of my dose as I want to taper extremely gradually.
So my main question is does anyone have any first hand experience with methadone and 4-FA combos. Ive tried my batch of 4-FA twice, it is very mellow, feels clean, provides some mild to moderate stimulation but there is not very much euphoria. I was expecting it to be at least similar to the MDMA level of euphoria based on lots of peoples reports.
I am by no means ready to give up on the 4-FA. Mileage varies for everyone, it may be this drug is just not gonna be my cup of tea. However, I would really like it to show some strong euphoria.
One factor I have not yet mentioned is that I didnt wait a long time between the first and second trial. On the first trial, I had already been up the whole previous night using Ethylphenidate and then used some Methoxetamine to mellow the residual stimulation from the Ethylphenidate. My initial dose of 4-FA was 70 mg. I waited a while and took another 70 mg. I felt something was definitly going on but it was pretty vanilla.
Next, I got careless and took 150 mg of 4-FA down the hatch and then snorted 50 mgs of it too.
After an couple hours i started to feel really shitty There was NO euphoria. I started having really bad stomach pain and then an extremely painful, pounding headache set in. I was extremely worried I had done it this time and really seriously OD'ed and was not gonna make it thru. I took 3 mg of Etizolam and Ibuprophen and tried to stay calm. I made my self throw up several times, I was trying to end the stomach pain and desperately hoping I would puke up some of the drugs in my stomach and maybe not get much sicker. I was very stimulated but not in any positive ways. My heart felt like it was beating really hard, it was not beating extremely fast but it felt like my heart was being really over worked. Because of the way my headache as localized to the back of my head and it was pounding in the same rhythm as my heart I began to worry that my blood pressure getting dangerously high and I might have a heart attack, stroke, aneurism, or seizure.
At one point I notice my vision getting distorted but it was only in a static part of my vision. What ever i looked at this distortion was overlayed on it and i could not see thru it. I started small but it got bigger frighteningly fast. At this point if felt that I was either: A) experiencing serotonin syndrome from taking a very large amount of 4-FA plus Ethylphenidate and Methoxetamine and Etizolam. I remember reading somewhere on BL that Etizolam as some effect on serotonin. OR B) I was have a seizure.
After i noticed the visual distortion covered most of the vision out of my left eye, I quickly took 2mg Etizolam and layed down. I must have passed out or had a seizure because a while late my dad was waking me up, I was lying in my bed and was really confused. He said he heard what sounded like moaning or crying coming from my room so he came in to check on me. I told him I was having food poisoning symptoms and that i had been throwing up in the bathroom. He didnt suspect i was ODing on drugs.
After my dad woke me the headache was pretty much gone, my stomach pain was mostly gone and best of all the visual distortion was gone completely. I still did not feel well or good but i was alive and not in extreme pain anymore.
That night went from underwhelming to scaring the shit out of me, worrying I might die or at least have to wake up my parents and have them take me to the ER in the middle of the night.
Thankfully, the etizolam saved me, it slowed my heart, lowered the stress and blood pressure and kept my body from blowing my brain out the back of my head.
The next time I took 4-FA I was the following week. I took a 126 mg dose which was more fun and a little bit stronger but still underwhelming. I took a few booster doses trying both snorting and just eating it. I found a lot of comments later from people saying that redosing really doesnt add much to the overall experience.
So im gonna wait about a month before I try it again.
Does anyone think the methadone might be reducing the effects and the strength of the effects from my 4-FA?
Granted there could be cross tolerance, there could have been less neurotransmitters to work with since I tripped on the same shit the week before, or maybe for me the sweet spot for 4-FA will be higher than the average.
Thanks for reading. If anyone has some info about methadone suppressing the effects of other drugs please post a link or something. I know methadone screws up your opiate tolerance completely. Does that apply to other stuff too?
If anyone has personal experience with methadone and 4-FA combos i would really like to hear about it.
To the really smart people on here, would it be possible for these two drugs to cancel each other out? It seems really unlikely but not impossible.
Recently ive got back into the RC community after spending a few years mostly taking it easy on the Research Chemical front.
Im prescribed 90 mg of Methadone daily. Typically, I only take 80 mg of my dose as I want to taper extremely gradually.
So my main question is does anyone have any first hand experience with methadone and 4-FA combos. Ive tried my batch of 4-FA twice, it is very mellow, feels clean, provides some mild to moderate stimulation but there is not very much euphoria. I was expecting it to be at least similar to the MDMA level of euphoria based on lots of peoples reports.
I am by no means ready to give up on the 4-FA. Mileage varies for everyone, it may be this drug is just not gonna be my cup of tea. However, I would really like it to show some strong euphoria.
One factor I have not yet mentioned is that I didnt wait a long time between the first and second trial. On the first trial, I had already been up the whole previous night using Ethylphenidate and then used some Methoxetamine to mellow the residual stimulation from the Ethylphenidate. My initial dose of 4-FA was 70 mg. I waited a while and took another 70 mg. I felt something was definitly going on but it was pretty vanilla.
Next, I got careless and took 150 mg of 4-FA down the hatch and then snorted 50 mgs of it too.
After an couple hours i started to feel really shitty There was NO euphoria. I started having really bad stomach pain and then an extremely painful, pounding headache set in. I was extremely worried I had done it this time and really seriously OD'ed and was not gonna make it thru. I took 3 mg of Etizolam and Ibuprophen and tried to stay calm. I made my self throw up several times, I was trying to end the stomach pain and desperately hoping I would puke up some of the drugs in my stomach and maybe not get much sicker. I was very stimulated but not in any positive ways. My heart felt like it was beating really hard, it was not beating extremely fast but it felt like my heart was being really over worked. Because of the way my headache as localized to the back of my head and it was pounding in the same rhythm as my heart I began to worry that my blood pressure getting dangerously high and I might have a heart attack, stroke, aneurism, or seizure.
At one point I notice my vision getting distorted but it was only in a static part of my vision. What ever i looked at this distortion was overlayed on it and i could not see thru it. I started small but it got bigger frighteningly fast. At this point if felt that I was either: A) experiencing serotonin syndrome from taking a very large amount of 4-FA plus Ethylphenidate and Methoxetamine and Etizolam. I remember reading somewhere on BL that Etizolam as some effect on serotonin. OR B) I was have a seizure.
After i noticed the visual distortion covered most of the vision out of my left eye, I quickly took 2mg Etizolam and layed down. I must have passed out or had a seizure because a while late my dad was waking me up, I was lying in my bed and was really confused. He said he heard what sounded like moaning or crying coming from my room so he came in to check on me. I told him I was having food poisoning symptoms and that i had been throwing up in the bathroom. He didnt suspect i was ODing on drugs.
After my dad woke me the headache was pretty much gone, my stomach pain was mostly gone and best of all the visual distortion was gone completely. I still did not feel well or good but i was alive and not in extreme pain anymore.
That night went from underwhelming to scaring the shit out of me, worrying I might die or at least have to wake up my parents and have them take me to the ER in the middle of the night.
Thankfully, the etizolam saved me, it slowed my heart, lowered the stress and blood pressure and kept my body from blowing my brain out the back of my head.
The next time I took 4-FA I was the following week. I took a 126 mg dose which was more fun and a little bit stronger but still underwhelming. I took a few booster doses trying both snorting and just eating it. I found a lot of comments later from people saying that redosing really doesnt add much to the overall experience.
So im gonna wait about a month before I try it again.
Does anyone think the methadone might be reducing the effects and the strength of the effects from my 4-FA?
Granted there could be cross tolerance, there could have been less neurotransmitters to work with since I tripped on the same shit the week before, or maybe for me the sweet spot for 4-FA will be higher than the average.
Thanks for reading. If anyone has some info about methadone suppressing the effects of other drugs please post a link or something. I know methadone screws up your opiate tolerance completely. Does that apply to other stuff too?
If anyone has personal experience with methadone and 4-FA combos i would really like to hear about it.
To the really smart people on here, would it be possible for these two drugs to cancel each other out? It seems really unlikely but not impossible.
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