Opioids Looking for opinions on making the best of just 10 methadone (10 mg)

[dankplantgrower]

Hi all Im pretty naive to opiates overall. But I started using opiates last week, enough to get noddy a few times over the past few days. Mostly dosing off a couple 750 mg vicodins and a little plastic OP 10 (oxycodone 10 mg) when I do. Last night I got 4 roxys (dosage unknown; dime cost) and 13 methadone (10 mg). Smoked the roxies between 4 of us so I figure we each smoked a pill, I probably smoked a little over that though. And I took a methadone. Im just stating these things so you can gauge my tolerance or lack thereof.

Anyway this morning I took 20mg methadone. And Ive actually been nodding the past hour or two. This post literally took 45 minutes or more to type between nods and just thinking about random way out shit. My connect told me that 20 mg would be a good place to start, but I feel like if I were to need to drive somewhere Id be unable to. If I were to take just a single one tomorrow would I still feel a high? Can I take them 10 consecutive days without experiencing sickness sometime next week? Is nausea common on such doses?

Last one... Which is more enjoyable overall in your opinion, methadone or roxy? I was drinking last night so I cant say 100 percent which I enjoyed more. But I feel like the methadone was more intense today than the roxy last night. Alright guys thanks for reading this and any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[twotoomany]

Don't smoke pills. Its gross, unhealthy, and highly ineffective.

You should have someone watching you if you feel unsafe. 20mg of 'done seems like a lot for a naive person. Have you taken anything else? Like a benzo or booze? Super dangerous if you have. I'd hold off on tomorrow. Methadone has an insanely long half life.

Also, the Vicodin are not 750 mg. probably 7.5mg or it has 750 apap in it. 750mg of vike would kill a horse, let alone you.

You should really take a break. Before you know it, you'll have been on em for months straight.

Most people find oxycodone more recreational than methadone.

Good luck.

Ps...as a general rule of thumb, you can usually tell what mg oxy (in pure form without apap, ie "roxicodone") you have by color. ALWAYS do an imprint search to be sure. You should never take pills you can't identify.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Plug them

 

[DexyDevil]

10mg is a much better starting dose for methadone. Methadone is very powerful. Oxycodone is a much more euphoric opiate but I have a fairly low opiate tolerance at the moment and I doubt I'd feel anything at all from 10mg of Oxy. I would, however, notice 10mg of Methadone. I wouldn't be nodding out by any means, but my nose would definitely itch a little. Also, methadone has a very long half-life so you may still be feeling it tomorrow. Start with 5mg and if you're not where you want to be an hour or so later take another 5mg.

 

[Elkat13]

Came in to say this....

Plug them

 

[sekio]

Methadone can take up to 3-4 hours to reach a peak when taken orally, and is very potent and lasts quite a while. Plugging it will make it onset faster. (Plugged BA is just as good as oral BA for methadone. [ref]) Per milligram, oral methadone is probably about 1.5 to 2 times as strong as oral oxycodone, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily more pleasurable. Oxycodone has a faster onset and has a shorter duration.

It is not a good idea to combine other depressants or alcohol with methadone, there is a high risk of overdose and respiratory depression or aspiration of vomit.

It's not a good idea to do it two days in a row. The next day there will still be methadone in your blood, and it's hard to tell how much because different people metabolize it at different rates. It will also make your tolerance go up quickly. If you really want to take more the next day, take 1/2 of the dose you took the first day and see how that feels. Remember, methadone takes a few hours to take full effect.

 

[dankplantgrower]

Thanks for the advice, Ill take the day off tomorrow and stick to weed until I figure out my sensitivity. I dosed 2 pills sublingually at around 9 30 AM and I feel like I really just barely "regained consciousness" so to speak in the past hour or 2. Its about 9 30 PM now. I didnt get shit done today but read up on methadone, and vegetate. I feel like the day after tomorrow when I dose again, Ill start plugging away at 5 mg and work my way up every couple hours if needed. But I really dont want to lay around all fucked up and unproductive again, at least on a weekday. Also I got some unpleasant nausea. Thanks guys.

 

[missmeyet?]

I would be very careful with the "plugging away more every few hours". Methadone works differently than all other opiates/opioids. In addition to having a very long half life (therefore it stays in your system much longer) they tend to be dangerous due to the fact that the pain relief and "feeling it " aspect of methadone wears off way before the other effects such as respiratory depression. This is why there are so many OD deaths from methadone.

"The FDA warned that methadone only provides pain relief for four to eight hours, but can linger in the body for eight to 59 hours. That can lead patients to take more of the drug before it has been eliminated by the body, causing the drug to build up in the body to toxic levels, the FDA said. Doctors should prescribe methadone carefully and closely monitor patients on the drug, the FDA said."

From
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=7355

 

[tricomb]

20mg methadone is way too much for someone who's so new to opioids like you are. Smoking Roxis? That's straight moronic. Don't smoke any pills.

For those who actually have the knowledge, experience, and of course tolerance to safely use methadone, I have found that the rectal ROA is by far the best and most effective. The methadone 10mg tablets are some of the most rapidly dissolving pills I have EVER seen in my life, they dissolve in contact with water about as rapidly as crystal methamphetamine.... The rectal ROA is the only way I'll take methadone because of how inconsistent oral dosing is, not to mention rectal administration has me feeling relief in 3-5 minutes vs. 2-3 hours with oral methadone.

Methadone is really not a recreational opioid, and it is CERTAINLY not one for anyone who's opiate naive. Methadone is probably one of the easiest opioids out there to overdose on considering how often it's mixed with alcohol or benzodiazepines (alprazolam/Xanax, diazepam/Valium, clonazepam/Klonopin, lorazepam/Ativan, etc) especially by inexperienced, reckless, uninformed, opioid naive individuals. This compound's potency should NOT be underestimated, I've seen a girl drop and stop breathing off 20mg. Everyone's body chemistry is different so don't think that dosing advice is universal...

$0.02

 

[dankplantgrower]

Well we already know Im not going to keel over and die from 20 mg, I took 30 mg within about 5 hours of each other that first morning and I was 100% fine. I still have 10 perfectly good methadone left, and the connect didnt seem like the type I can just go get my money back from. This is the type of guy who recommends his customers smoke their pills, and knowingly recommended a naive user to jump into 20-30mg methadone off the bat. Im not gonna give/throw the pills away either, so lets discuss the harm reduction and other relevant info involved like the other posters managed to do.

Ill definitely be cutting it down to 10 mg per dose now until I feel this substance out more, or more likely until I run out. Its been a solid 48 hours since Ive ingested an opiate. Trying to figure out how to plug without an enema thingy or baster/syringe...

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Well we already know Im not going to keel over and die from 20 mg, I took 30 mg within about 5 hours of each other that first morning and I was 100% fine. I still have 10 perfectly good methadone left, and the connect didnt seem like the type I can just go get my money back from. This is the type of guy who recommends his customers smoke their pills, and knowingly recommended a naive user to jump into 20-30mg methadone off the bat. Im not gonna give/throw the pills away either, so lets discuss the harm reduction and other relevant info involved like the other posters managed to do.

Ill definitely be cutting it down to 10 mg per dose now until I feel this substance out more, or more likely until I run out. Its been a solid 48 hours since Ive ingested an opiate. Trying to figure out how to plug without an enema thingy or baster/syringe...

I know tricomb recommends plugging methadone, but for someone with no tolerance, I can't see plugging it really matter. There is not going to be a rush to speak of, and since you're not in pain or addicted to opioids, there is nothing to be had. Personally, I experience a certain euphoria from oral methadone, but in much higher doses, I always wonder if I'd find levomethadone euphoric. Though, I now see it's schedule II (duh, how could it not be if methadone here is racemic) I don't think they make it in the US.

 

[tricomb]

It's not a rush your seeking its immediate onset and better gauging of your level of respiratory depression snd safer than oral redosing, consifering how up and down serum concentrationd are leading to the waves of
Intensity at like 2 hours in, then again at around hour 5-6.

 

[dankplantgrower]

I dont know about rush or euphoria, but I got a certain kind of comfortable sedation in between the 20-30 mg range on methadone the other day. Its probably better than complete sobriety, anyway. Got down much of a 10 mg sublingual a minute ago, and the rest fell into an empty stomach. Hopefully the stomach discomfort is less severe on a smaller dose like this. I recall a bit of nausea from the other day that was somewhat unpleasant...

There was nothing in this household to facilitate a plugged dosage but Ill be headed to the 99 cent store later for an enema. Do you guys reuse your enema tools or are they a one time deal? How do you clean them, if you do?

 

[tricomb]

I use 5ml oral syringes from a business associate who works in healthcare supplies manufacture, sales, and distribution.


You can get them online search for "5ml luer slip tip box of 100" I don't reuse them and I certainly don't use enemas.

 

[Tommyboy]

Well we already know Im not going to keel over and die from 20 mg, I took 30 mg within about 5 hours of each other that first morning and I was 100% fine. I still have 10 perfectly good methadone left, and the connect didnt seem like the type I can just go get my money back from. This is the type of guy who recommends his customers smoke their pills, and knowingly recommended a naive user to jump into 20-30mg methadone off the bat. Im not gonna give/throw the pills away either, so lets discuss the harm reduction and other relevant info involved like the other posters managed to do.

Ill definitely be cutting it down to 10 mg per dose now until I feel this substance out more, or more likely until I run out. Its been a solid 48 hours since Ive ingested an opiate. Trying to figure out how to plug without an enema thingy or baster/syringe...

He might recommend smoking pills since you will go through them much faster that way, and since you don't get nearly as much out of them that way you would be buying a lot more than if you were taking them orally, thus making the dealer more money.

With the methadone you have to make sure not to mix it with alcohol (or benzos, but I noticed you mentioned drinking so I addressed that first) even the day after you take the methadone since it's in your system for so long.

If you use methadone on consecutive days they will become less effective very quickly, so I suggest spacing it out to once every 3 days, but preferable once a week (2x a week tops, so every 4 days) although I realize that may be difficult if you have them on you.

 

[tricomb]

Yeah anyone who's actually smoking their pharmaceuticals needs a reality check, saving them money, drugs, and long-term health consequences. Is taking the word of a drug dealer who tells his/her customers to SMOKE the pills, worth risking chronic asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, emphysema, maybe even lung cancer?

I'm sorry I don't tend to sugarcoat my posts, I get straight to the point and my directness shouldn't be interpreted as resent towards any posters, rather towards those who recklessly abuse drugs in a fashion that barring the fact that they are wasting the drug and still financing the narcotics trade, which reflects badly on all of us who want to prove that if treated with respect, responsibility, knowledge, and only then, experience, one can use drugs in a way that won't pose a threat to themselves or others, including those who end up dying or requiring life-long medical treatment like for emphysema or cancer which even further puts a drain on one's nation's economy as many of these people cannot afford the treatment and receive help via the taxpayers dollar, money that could have gone towards educating the youth about the dangers of reckless uninformed drug abuse, so that our prison systems wouldn't be overpopulated by hundreds of %'s, a majority of which are non-violent drug offenders. And I think most of us know just how rehabilitating the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation really is.

I must clarify that I'm not putting the economy before the healthcare and wellbeing of a fellow drug addict, but I'm saying that your actions have consequences. And your decisions today affect the life you will be living tomorrow, so if you're going to be a drug addict like many of us are, be a conscientious one who doesn't reflect the modern stigmatized stereotype junkie who smokes pills off of tin foil or cooks up shots in kitchen spoons and then improperly injects that synthetic euphoria into their veins. I'm not saying that anyone is doing this, besides those who defend the smoking of pharmaceuticals of course which is the opposite of harm reduction.

The reason I suggested the rectal ROA is because with methadone, you don't have as many ups and downs, not to mention the onset is like 100 fold faster than oral dosing, especially for those who do not take methadone frequently.

oxycodone were designed for best use to be taken ORALLY. There is no need to tamper with the pills or do anything besides swallow with water in a safe place where you won't be driving or operating heavy machinery. It's having respect for the drug that is the key to you being one of the few who make it out alive. Methadone for me has not worked well taken orally, although the 10mg tabs are vastly superior to the methadose liquid in my experiences.

 

[dankplantgrower]

Came to realize why the poster said methadone isnt much of a recreational drug over the last couple weeks. The "recreational dosage" seemed to be dangerously close to possible lethal dose in naive individuals (20-30 mg in my case), and the half life virtually prevented me from daily dosing at an amount I could feel. I havent been able to replicate the original nodfest that sorta intrigued me about methadone the first time, I would have to push 40mg+ probably which might still be lethal for my tolerance level.

One good thing I noticed about the days I figure I maintained 15-20 mg in my system, my urge to drink alcohol or smoke cannabis was diminished considerably. I still feel like toking after meals or other triggers, but I figure those are habit more than anything. I saved a substantial amount of money by not having to buy wax those few days I was really feeling the methadone. It really surprised the shit out of me.

Does it sound absurd to keep a 15-20 mg methadone habit for awhile to stifle cannabis intake for awhile? I saved at least $60, probably closer to $90 this past week or 2, some days I hardly smoked any wax at all. How long until ones body becomes dependent on methadone? If I can cop another packet of methadone for a good enough price, another 2 weeks savings will be excellent for my wallet. These 13 methadone were free from the connect with the roxis, Im thinking he might be able to do good prices on them by themselves.

I imagine one could see some stupidity in using methadone to neutralize a THC habit, but the money saved was tremendous. And 15-20 mg methadone doesnt seem like a big habit, although I dont know all that much when it comes to methadone. Id like to continue at least another 2 weeks, I could be saving close to 200 this month if my wax consumption stays this low. Damn wax is $30-$40 per gram on average for the good stuff around here. Thought suggestions gentlemen? You guys seem to know WTF youre talking about.

Also I never did get around to putting it in my rectum. Ill do that tomorrow with my last dose maybe. One last quick question. Does chewing them to dust and settling them under your tongue change rate of absoprtion or duration? At least substantially more than just swallowing a pill and letting it do its thing in your belly?