looking for help to begin withdrawls PLEASE

[Trying2Iso]

How much does this cost ^ ?

I can tell you that it costs less than a life of drug addiction costs

 

[Crazyfrog]

Oh no, wait. The lope prolongs wds?! That's not good, I just bought a whole bottle of generic pills and some brand name liquid. Does the gaba prolong it too??

Also my gabapentin is 300mg capsules so no way I can take 400. I am planning to not take any percs tomorrow, should I take some gabapentin or immodium tonight? If I can just make it through tomorrow I'll be happy.

From my experience, lope does not prolong thw wd. I had great success with lope.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Nice work CAT (when you going to mod up again)

Pretty sure the powers that be will never allow that, Ive even had my crew tag removed.

 

[Crazyfrog]

by the way CAt thank you so much for that info, I actually just got a chance to read up on everything but still wondering about dosaging for the gaba and lope. im nervous to take 48 pill like crazy frog suggested, im a 98lb female lol. im thinking I should start with 600 (2 capsules) of the gaba 3x a day? and about 2 caps (4mg) of immodium?

but I definitely would like more info on other options as you suggested. the closer it gets to tomorrow, the more unsure I'm getting... I may just postpone for awhile (or forever)
or taper... unsure if I should just try and put more time between my doses of perc and go down to a 10 3x a day or if I should be tapering the dose not the frequency and take 7.5 my regular 4x a day at the same times...

im posting a lot I know, im sorry. im literally so nervous and freaking out. im wondering if I should wait until I have 2 consecutive days off or if going to work would be better to keep my mind busy.

Ok.. 98 lbs is tiny. Here's my suggestion, 40mg. I dropped weight because of opiates and was at 155lbs. And 48mg was the magic dose to completely remove all wd. I noticed the higher the dose, the more tired i got.and being tired was the only side effect from it. But because i was tired, i didn't think of anything. I was just contempt . If you go to low on lope, it won't work. And it will fail.

kinlee.... you will have to trust me on this. But again. .. im no doctor and can only advice with caution. Use at your own risk. But. ... if you do a large enough dose I guarantee you will not have any WD. I used it for a whole week, did not get addicted . I did not crave it. I was happy to stop the lope because i wanted to not get that phase of tiredness you get from lope. I even pushed it at first to experiment and that's what made me into a firm believer in lope. I read on ppl taking up to 200mg to 300mg of lope. Which sounds insane ! So my first dose because i was in opiate hell wd, was 96mg. After 4 to 5 hours of being tired from the lope effect, I suddenly felt so good.i was normal. I had energy. I was contempt. I wasn't high. .. i was just normal . From there on. .. i used it in lower dosages . 48-60mg. And it sailed me right through the wd stages witj incredible success. And i didn't take nothing else. Not even vitamin supplements . I just ate healthy. So im one of those firm believers in lope. It was god sent.good luck.

 

[Erikmen]

I w/d from methadone and let me tell you, in the height of it nothing helped..but your not on methadone so the bright side is your w/ds wont last too long..in th early stages I was taking 6-8 mg of Xanax at a time..worked ok...Tylenol helped te leg ssues and general aches and benadyly helped the sleep issues..but again this was only useful at the start

Exactly! I'm also going through a quite tough withdraw from Methadone so my advice for you is to keep going knowing that it could have been much worse if you were taking more and longer. Keep up & don't give up!
You will be fine soon
good luck!!

 

[kinlee]

I took my usual dose just now. I am so ashamed. I rationalized it as tapering. I plan to take 7.5 for my next dose.
I didn't get much infor on tapering from you guys but a friend told me to 'stagger' doses today. (normal 10mg, then 7.5, then another 10, then back to 7.5 tonight using small amounts lope, gaba and Xanax as needed for minor wd)
in a few days I plan to lower that to 7.5 then 5, 7.5 then back down to 5.
im not sure how effective this will be but im hopeful.
does anyone have any input on this method?
can anyone give me info on other taper plans?
thank you guys. I appreciate the support and info, youre all wonderful.

 

[neversickanymore]

and I am sure I could procure a muscle relaxer of some sort if this is advised to help?

How are you doing kinlee?

Also I would not add on a muscle relaxer if I were you. Usually fatigue is a very common symptom of opiate withdrawls, so trouble thinking, and feeling pretty wacked out in general. IMO I do not think you would get much benefit from the muscle relaxers and the have a good chance of making some things worse. You could always give them a try and see if they might help you sleep, but even if they do you might wake up feeling quite off.

If you decide to take the gabapentin you will also need to taper off of it when your ready to drop it. If it were me I would drop it after two weeks or so to avoid developing and physical dependence to it as it can have a nasty withdrawal itself if this happens.

Dont be nervous.. You will have to do this at some point as we all have to pay the piper ..

Just accept the fact that your going to feel a little rough for a week, but it wont be as bad as you think and you are going to do it.

Freedoms on the other side.. no more worring about and being a slave to the opiates

 

[kinlee]

what dose do you suggest starting at? do you think 4x 2mg pills would do fine? how often should I take that, once a day in the AM or every few hours?

 

[kinlee]

Get a few days off so you can rest. No need to go wild on lopes to quit a 30mg a day for 2 years habit. You may have to do some trial and error and adjust as you go. Good luck. Within days it will be over and you'll be free. This demon only gets worse over time, get out now while you still can.

what dosage you suggest? do you think 5 pills would work? (10mg) also, how often do people dose this, is it a once a day in the AM and done, or is It more of a few times a day type thing?

 

[neversickanymore]

I didn't get much infor on tapering from you guys but a friend told me to 'stagger' doses today. (normal 10mg, then 7.5, then another 10, then back to 7.5 tonight

This is not sound advice. The real way a tapper actually will produce positive results for oxy would be for you to drop your dose by a doable amount about every seven days.

When tapering we need to cut the dose down and allow the body to remove it and then let the brain and body readjust for the lower dose. This takes about seven days for oxy. So if you want to taper I would cut your dose back by a doable amount every seven days and then remain on that dose for seven days and then cut again.

 

[kinlee]

Thank you never sick! Finally some great info on tapering. I'll start that today.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Don't take it on my say so as this isn't an area I'm experienced in but I'm pretty sure you have to take an awful lot of loperamide for it to help with wd, like 20mg+. Last time I weighed in to this subject the consensus seemed to be that you had to take enough to force it over the blood brain barrier which ordinarily it wouldn't cross. I'm not sure if that is still the accepted position though and you don't really need to know much about it.

10mg should be a good dose to start on, but don't be surprised if it doesn't help. You can always add more but you can't take it away. I've always been pretty sceptical about loperamide as a drug for reducing wd other than it's effects on the digestive tract (I believe you actually have some opiate receptors in your gut that it binds too, but again don't hold me to that), but lots of people seem to swear by it.

It's sounding like a slowish taper might be your best option, along the lines of what nsa suggested. I would imagine you could probably take off 5mg each week pretty much without noticing it to begin with, maybe even 10mg the first or second time. As you get further along with the taper you might have to reduce how much you are removing each time if you are to minimise the noticeable wd enough to allow you to work.

As an example of a schedule you might choose to follow:

Week 1 - 40mg
Week 2 - 30mg
Week 3 - 25mg
Week 4 - 20mg
Week 5 - 15mg
Week 6 - 10mg
Week 7 - 8mg
Week 8 - 6mg
Week 9 - 4mg
Week 10 - 2mg
Week 11 - Clean!!!

Now that might be either too fast or too slow for you, you will have to get a feel for it. For instance you might not need to do the last 10mg in 2mg steps, you might be ok doing it in two 5mg drops. For me the best way of doing a taper is too listen to your body; if it's taking the drops easily you can increase the size , if it's not you can decrease the size or have a week off from reducing and pick the taper back up next week. I'm of the opinion that you should make hay whilst the sun shines and if things are going well take advantage and go quickly, but be careful not to go too fast or carry reducing if you need a break because yo-yoing up and down in dosage is demoralising if nothing else. Slow and steady wins the race, don't make things hard for yourself on account of desire to be clean quickly. Much better to do it properly and do it once!

Whoah...sorry for the essay!

 

[cosmic._.ape]

for PAWS i haven't found anything better than mucuna pruriens (a kind of bean with very interesting active ingredients)
kava to relax muscles could help a lot too. Also Iboga should help a lot, microdosing it to improve habits

check them out! nobody here seem to know much about them, but they worked on a lot of people, included me

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Iboga is not something that would even enter in to my thoughts for someone trying to get clean for the first time. By all accounts it's a heavy heavy psychedelic with the potential to completely change someone's brain chemistry, not really the sort of thing you should be cracking on with before even trying a regular detox imo. Do ten and keep relapsing then maybe looking at that sort of thing might be the way to go, too many potential issues for it to be a go to option.

All just my opinion I might add, and that is all received knowledge rather than first hand experience.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Tapering might not be for everyone. I always cut everything out if there was no dangerous side effects.

 

[d-nihl]

From what I have read, you have some goodies that will help a lot...smoking bud does help a lot. Im gonna try to kick a small H habit, and I think ill withdrawal from Suboxone regardless...I figure in three or 4 days it will be over, if I take a lot of baths and maybe work out a little.

 

[d-nihl]

Iboga is not something that would even enter in to my thoughts for someone trying to get clean for the first time. By all accounts it's a heavy heavy psychedelic with the potential to completely change someone's brain chemistry, not really the sort of thing you should be cracking on with before even trying a regular detox imo. Do ten and keep relapsing then maybe looking at that sort of thing might be the way to go, too many potential issues for it to be a go to option.

All just my opinion I might add, and that is all received knowledge rather than first hand experience.

yeeah man I've heard of these places in Peru, and South America where they have "rehabs" doing this kind of treatment.

They lock you in a room for a week with no human contact till you initially detox and then start administering psychedelics, some hard core ones, and it apparently "cures" your addiction.

 

[cosmic._.ape]

yeeah man I've heard of these places in Peru, and South America where they have "rehabs" doing this kind of treatment.

They lock you in a room for a week with no human contact till you initially detox and then start administering psychedelics, some hard core ones, and it apparently "cures" your addiction.

oh the mythology... be afraid, be very afraid... of the myth-spreaders!

anyone who has already kicked opiates and is suffering from PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms) ought to give a try to mucuna pruriens and microdoses of iboga (a microdose is a fraction of a psychedelic dose. If 20 grams of root bark is a standar psychedelic dose, a microdose is just 100 milligrams a day)

do not just propagate miss-information, research about iboga microdosing

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

From what I have seen iboga is no more efffective in curing addiction problems than anything else, despite certain people being very enthusiastic. What you are talking about sounds interesting though, any good links to read on that? Not heard of that way of using it before.

 

[Crazyfrog]

I've read on monks doing this in Asia. Feed you some green goo and puke your brains out in this trench. 1 week late, you are cured of opium .