looking for help to begin withdrawls PLEASE

[kinlee]

I am desperate to get clean, taking about 40-50mg oxycodone daily. 4-5 10mg perc or 30mg roxy split into 3rds daily. I have a great job but im new so I cannot take a 'leave' but I NEED to get clean for my life and family.
Things I Have Access To
gabapentin 300mg
Xanax .5mg (for my panic disorder but can probably switch this to a different anti-anxiety drug if advised)
morpine, unsure
immodium

and I am sure I could procure a muscle relaxer of some sort if this is advised to help?
any other meds that are recommended?

can anyone advise me on dosages, which of these meds would help and also how I can complete withdrawls with minimal symptoms so that I may continue to work?
I am desperate at this point and really hoping someone can help, this is my second post here in the last year but I didn't get much help on the last one, hoping for more luck here.

thank you all for you help.

 

[nygiants1313]

How old are you? Just curious. For fun I'll guess 25. But we Need to know how long you have been using. 3 months is a lot different then 3 years with the degree of hardship that will endure. Is this the first time you will be going through the withdrawal cycle? Have you ever heard of tapering? Do you think you have the will power? Does your family know you are hooked? How's the support system? Ito 530am I'm about to go to work but I wanted to write to you cuz I'm sure your scared. Answer some questions and I'll PM you or pm me so I don't forget. No worries your gonna be ok

your not alone I've gone through this countless times. Hopefully you'll make it your last time as well.

 

[kinlee]

I'm 23, using for 2 years. I was taking 15mg/4xd but I got down to 10/4xday. My husband knows; but that's about it. I'd prefer to use the gaba method, but unsure about dosages. I've also heard great thjngs about the loperamide method but I have zero clue how to begin that.

 

[Trying2Iso]

u know u can go to detox at pretty much any major hospital
it's like a week and they give you meds and group therapy it's like rehab for a week
but with withdrawal meds like bupe, methadone, or tramadol

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Hello and welcome

There's lots of chemicals help out there to get you through a detox that you can learn about here. The user neversickanymore has an amazing list of links and info on meds to help with withdrawals that is worth reading through to get a better understanding before coming back with more detailed questions. I'll try and fish it out for you and post so as not to lump the responsibility on him but if I can't find it drop him a pm and I'm sure he will be happy to supply it.

One thing you can start doing right now though is preparing yourself physically. The better your physical condition going in to a detox the easier you will get through it. The more energy in reserve (so that's fat!) the better (to a degree of course, morbid obesity won't help) so get your eat on and start filling yourself full of nutritious calories with lots of vitamins! Your body will need that energy when it's fighting withdrawal and you feel to ill to eat (most likely for a period).

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

If you start off by looking at these you will be able to gain a great base level of knowledge that should be able to at least give you an idea of options for symptomatic-relief meds. Thanks to nsa for this one:

Restless Legs Syndrome
Restless Legs Syndrome Fact Sheet

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

PAWS LINKS
Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
http://www.clairedorotik.com/NLWC-EXERCISE_AND_MOOD.htm after the acutes are over!
ADD take http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/673580-Hey-I-thought-the-grey-matter-of-ADD-could-chew-on-this
Managing depressive thinking

it is a powerful thing to keep our thoughts possitive and here are some threads many of us use to help us do this.
Good things about being off drugs/getting sober
Share something POSITIVE from your day!
Today I Am Thankful For... Ver. 3: Earth, Wind and Fire!

There are so many different options available the process can seem even more daunting once educating yourself but in my experience planned detoxes are far more successful than one's where there hasn't been much thought put in.

I don't know if that helps you at all or if you want a more basic explanation of your options....cold turkey no symptomatic relief, cold turkey with symptomatic relief, a taper (and if so on what, how long etc). I (and many others here) can have a pretty good stab at helping you work out which option is right for you.

Hope that gives you something to get going with and a better idea of your options! Still confused after having a look at that (most likely) then ask questions, I would be very suprised if you can't find the help you need here.

 

[Crazyfrog]

OP. Give this a shot . Don't take nothing but a nice healthy meal. And dose with 60mg of loperamide . That's otc diahrrea medicine . Just try it when you feel the wd. Just give it a shot. I'm no doctor, but it worked for me 99.99% . Also use at your own risk. Research loperamide and opiate wd. It was what ONLY worked for me while no other drugs did that was not rx.

 

[motiv311]

u know u can go to detox at pretty much any major hospital
it's like a week and they give you meds and group therapy it's like rehab for a week
but with withdrawal meds like bupe, methadone, or tramadol

How much does this cost ^ ?

 

[Erikmen]

Hello and welcome

There's lots of chemicals help out there to get you through a detox that you can learn about here. The user neversickanymore has an amazing list of links and info on meds to help with withdrawals that is worth reading through to get a better understanding before coming back with more detailed questions. I'll try and fish it out for you and post so as not to lump the responsibility on him but if I can't find it drop him a pm and I'm sure he will be happy to supply it.

One thing you can start doing right now though is preparing yourself physically. The better your physical condition going in to a detox the easier you will get through it. The more energy in reserve (so that's fat!) the better (to a degree of course, morbid obesity won't help) so get your eat on and start filling yourself full of nutritious calories with lots of vitamins! Your body will need that energy when it's fighting withdrawal and you feel to ill to eat (most likely for a period).

This seems to be pretty much complete. Nothing else too important to add. Just remember it is your first withdraw and it might not be as bad as you´re expecting. We are all different though and you never know. But be positive about it and suggest you go through this just once..Good luck!

 

[kinlee]

Thank you for that post! I'm going to read through it now, does it include dosages? I'm unsure of the dosages I should be using for Imodium (lope?) and gabapentin.

Hospital/rehab detox is not an option. As I said I have a job to get to.

 

[pirates_]

I w/d from methadone and let me tell you, in the height of it nothing helped..but your not on methadone so the bright side is your w/ds wont last too long..in th early stages I was taking 6-8 mg of Xanax at a time..worked ok...Tylenol helped te leg ssues and general aches and benadyly helped the sleep issues..but again this was only useful at the start

 

[cj]

The dosage of lope depends on why you are using it. 20-30 mgs will basically stop withdrawals but they will resume when you stop the lope. If you keep the dosage under 10mgs you will get some symptom relief but only marginally prolong the length of the withdrawls. My advice is to mix 5mg of lope with the gabapentin and Xanax. That will get you about as comfy as your gonna get without prolonging withdrawls.

 

[Crazyfrog]

Op.... search my thread under my name. (Loperamide and withdrawals)

and read the 3 pages. You will see my experience . 7 -8 years on vicodin non stop. My detox was soooo wasy! I freaking still can't believe im clean of opiates!

 

[neversickanymore]

Nice work CAT (when you going to mod up again)

Hi kinlee and a very warm welcome to BL

Im going to throw you the dosage for gabapentin verbatim from the Tarascon Pocket Pharmacopoeia.. i know funky sounding name rite.. but its a legit as they come.

Its what the PDR wishes it was.

The information I provide to you on dosage is not meant or intended to take the place of a consultation with a medical professional.. i'm am not a MD and your wisest and safest path of action would be to see a medical professional.

Neuropathic pain: 300 mg PO (orally, by mouth), max 3600 mg/day in 3 t0 4 divided doses.

TPP 2011

But you going to need to titrate that dose. The dose that really seems to work for almost everyone is right around the max.. so about 3 doses of 1200, but you need to work up to this over the course for AT LEAST three days. So the short work up would be 400 three times a day day one (this is done at least three days before you plan to detox) then 800 mgpd X 3 on your second day.. up to 1200 three times a day by day three.. I would recommend doing it over a little longer time period.. week or so.

The recommendation of the lope is a solid one.. esp since you have a life to maintain, but like everything in this world it comes with a hook, bit thankfully this is a good one in many respects. Loperamide is actually a very powerful opiate and it does pass the blood brain barrier.. its just its removed at the biological equivalent to the speed of light... well probably not even close but its pumped out very fast. Because of this it can work wonders with detoxing and in your situation it could be a real god send. It will allow you to work and function.. but you will in essence be trading one dependency for another. This is good however as the one you trade for will not get you "high." This means that you will likely have a great deal of success tapering it after you switch over.

Loperamide (Immodium) Megathread v. 2

You got this

 

[kinlee]

Oh no, wait. The lope prolongs wds?! That's not good, I just bought a whole bottle of generic pills and some brand name liquid. Does the gaba prolong it too??

Also my gabapentin is 300mg capsules so no way I can take 400. I am planning to not take any percs tomorrow, should I take some gabapentin or immodium tonight? If I can just make it through tomorrow I'll be happy.

 

[kinlee]

Tomorrow is my only day off then I have a double to work Saturday.
From what I understand now though is that gabapentin needs to build up before you start detox though right? Maybe I should take my regular dose of perc and start taking gaba daily and then stop the percs Tuesday?


Or do you guys think a taper would work best? With gaba intermittently for mild wd?

 

[neversickanymore]

Oh no, wait. The lope prolongs wds?! That's not good, I just bought a whole bottle of generic pills and some brand name liquid. Does the gaba prolong it too??

Also my gabapentin is 300mg capsules so no way I can take 400. I am planning to not take any percs tomorrow, should I take some gabapentin or immodium tonight? If I can just make it through tomorrow I'll be happy.

Yes Lope will prolong your withdrawals , but it can also minimize the effects to allow you to work.

Think about this.. say you have a huge pile of rocks to move.. no matter what those rocks need to be moved. So the lope can allow you to move a little bit of rocks at a time.. this will allow you to also get all your other work done in the mean time.

No the gaba is attacking the problem head on so it does not prolong your withdrawals. .. its not the ultimate miracle drug, but it really works.. you will just need to take more pills to achieve the required dosage.. 300 will just be a waste of your time.

See this is why it totally advisable and appropriate that you go see a MD.. That way the how full of shit am i will be thrown out the window.. you can check the doseage I gave you and ensure its safety with your situation by consulting a MD who knows whats up. If they say im crazy.. seek another opinion.. if they say your heath or situation precludes you from taking this approach.. listen to them.

You got this.. less then seven days and you will see the light.. the light is freedom

 

[kinlee]

im so nervous and scared you guys. like im anxious just thinking about tomorrow.
I don't want to see an MD and be labeled an 'addict' for life. my meds weren't prescribed if you know what I mean.
if I were to taper, how would I do that? I take a 10 4x a day

 

[kinlee]

by the way CAt thank you so much for that info, I actually just got a chance to read up on everything but still wondering about dosaging for the gaba and lope. im nervous to take 48 pill like crazy frog suggested, im a 98lb female lol. im thinking I should start with 600 (2 capsules) of the gaba 3x a day? and about 2 caps (4mg) of immodium?

but I definitely would like more info on other options as you suggested. the closer it gets to tomorrow, the more unsure I'm getting... I may just postpone for awhile (or forever)
or taper... unsure if I should just try and put more time between my doses of perc and go down to a 10 3x a day or if I should be tapering the dose not the frequency and take 7.5 my regular 4x a day at the same times...

im posting a lot I know, im sorry. im literally so nervous and freaking out. im wondering if I should wait until I have 2 consecutive days off or if going to work would be better to keep my mind busy.

 

[WantToBeReborn]

Get a few days off so you can rest. No need to go wild on lopes to quit a 30mg a day for 2 years habit. You may have to do some trial and error and adjust as you go. Good luck. Within days it will be over and you'll be free. This demon only gets worse over time, get out now while you still can.