Opioids Long way from methadone to suboxone

[artaxerxes]

Excellent posts. Socio! Thanks for all the great info you're putting out there for BL folks and the OP. This exact question (transferring from done to subs) has been on my mind in the last few weeks, so I thank you again for being so helpful!

Migoda, psychologically you're in a good place to start your taper. And don't worry about taking too much done today. I do that too sometimes. Just get back on track and stay positive and focussed on your goal. BTW, I'm on 30mg methadone a day, except when I cheat occasionally.

There are a couple of viable solutions to your problem already offered in this thread. I just wanted to add my own opinion so you can get as much info as possible. Like stuckinaloop, I find it easiest to switch to a short-acting opiate before tapering off. I would do the same if I switched to bupe. Of course this would be wisest after you've tapered down to about 30mg of done a day.

I've used oxycodone 5mg (Percocet) and hydrocodone 10 or 5mg (Norcos or Vicodin), and I found that all of them work, but I prefer the hydro 5mg b/c it's so subtle. So hydro is my suggestion. Just remember never to get high on your taper. In your case, you'd just be switching to bupe in a few days so that wouldn't be a problem.

You can definitely do this and if you plan it right, you can do it with minimal pain, ie. suffer a bit longer in w/d before transitioning on to bupe so that you can avoid the hell of precipitated w/d.

Good luck and keep us informed!

 

[Migoda]

Guys, I can't tell you why I am not sharing detailed explanation with you, but I can not go to any detox center in my area, neither any other official place that can help me with this.

Another sh...t is that there is NO WAY I can get some short acting opiates, like the ones you are saying. I don't know can anyone send me them. First, these meds are still not produced in this area. I can maybe get prescription for them, but then what do I do with it? Also, time...I am NOT at maintenance program, I got hooked on methadon trying to get off from tramadol. So in my medical records I have no drug addiction records, I would like it to stay that way. So I have only two days more of methadone, I really urgently need those meds...I will find to get some more meth from friends, but my time is still running fast.

I think, that the best would be to go to some short time opiates and then to sub...but I don't have access to those opiates. Anyone has any idea how can I get them. Then, I think, the world will become brighter place for me.....

 

[socio]

Hi it sounds like you're in a very tough situation. For the lucky few, you get addicted and find a relatively easy way out (if you a lot of dough, good medical insurance, understanding family job and friends, location with resources), but for others, and this sounds like you, it's a lot harder.

I can definitely understanding not wanting to/not being able to go into long-term detox, and maybe there aren't any kind of maintenance clinics nearby. you won't be able to get anyone to send you anything on here to help you and should be careful about hinting at that.

I don't know your details, but your best bet may still be to try to talk whatever medical/psychological/social services are available in your area. They might be able to help you with more discretion than you would expect, so you wouldn't have to necessarily leave home or have anyone find out, spend a lot of money, etc. I really don't know, but you're in a hard spot, so it's probably worth a try. I expect you'll have to keep relying on your friends supplying you for a while, since cold turkey is a really hard thing to do unassisted. At least having some psych- or medical office you can talk to would be helpful. It won't hurt to just call around on the telephone and maybe walk in and talk to whoever you can. It's not like they'll keep you there just for coming in to ask for information.

I really don't know much more to tell you except to keep looking for solutions and don't despair. As I said before, I don't know if you've tried yet, but you can post in other forums on Bluelight that are geared more toward recovery/getting off drugs, like "The Dark Side" (click "home" or "forums" at the top of the page, and then on the list you'll see, "The Dark Side"). Maybe start a thread stating your situation and asking advice there. Then you'll have a few more people's wisdom to try to add to your understanding of the situation. I think you've already made some progress in getting your mind around what's happening and what you need to do, so any extra help will only help you progress more.

Good luck, and keep us updated!

 

[Migoda]

trying with MST

Dear Socio and other friends,

Here is where I am now. I cam down to 60 mg of methadone, but stayed there only 5 days.

Then, I got 10 tablets of 60mg MST (morphine) and was advised to leave methadone completely and to enter withdrawal with MST and Tramal. I should do it like this:

last day of methadone
28 hours latter I began feeling cold turkey I took 60mg MST
after 12 hours I should take another 60 mg MST
so, after 24 hours of MST, switch to 24 hours on Tramal morning dose 300 mg, afternoon 400 mg,
then 24 hours on MST again 2 tablets of 60mg....

Like that it should take me 10 days without withrawal, and then I can take Suboxon with no worries.

What do you think about this? Am I going to be without pain and withdrawals? Can I go strait to Sub after 10 days? Is 120 mg of morphine enough to take all my pain away?

thanx guys you are such a encouragement to me