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long time user of opiates first time with heroin

coolass9965

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i just signed up a little while ago and now i have come across a situation where i would need the help of people more experienced than i with opiates and in particular Heroin. i used to do whatever opiate i could get my hands on, i absolutely love them, but i went into about the fastest detox program there is: a youth correctional center here in Oregon. i am now 18 and not under any type of supervision, so i was wanting to get high on opiates and since heroin is generally cheaper i will go with that, when i told a friend about my plans he wanted to try it as he has never done opiates. so my question: what is the starting dose for people with little to no tolerance, and my body weight: 405 lbs. his: somewhere around 200. how to smoke it. what kind would we smoke? any help would be appreciated!
 
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Welcome to BL.

First, make sure you check the rules out...there is no discussion of where or how to obtain drugs on this site. Also no discussion of prices. So no one here can help you with that. BL is a harm reduction site and everyone wants you to stay safe as possible..

Let me say (and I think most everyone here will agree) heroin is a bad street to go down, especially with limited experience with opiates/opioids. This is especially true for you friend who has NEVER tried opiates. Your best bet would be to obtain some type of pharms (prescription meds) and try that out first. It is extremely bad idea to jump straight to heroin.:\
Though heroin is cheaper, in the long run it will end up costing you much, much more (in money and in every opther aspect).
 
Let me say (and I think most everyone here will agree) heroin is a bad street to go down, especially with limited experience with opiates/opioids. This is especially true for you friend who has NEVER tried opiates. Your best bet would be to obtain some type of pharms (prescription meds) and try that out first. It is extremely bad idea to jump straight to heroin.:\
Though heroin is cheaper, in the long run it will end up costing you much, much more (in money and in every opther aspect).
Very true, when I was in treatment a friend of mine did it backwards and went from heroin then to pills, and pills didn't do what the heroin did and he was back on the heroin and never going back to pills. However I'm sure someone will be able to answer your question. I've avoided the 'H' train and just been using pharms.
 
If you want to multiply your already complicated situation by 10000, by all means cop some dope. But it's one (counterproductive) thing for you who's abused opioids to try heroin (in rehab). But don't drag your partner who's never used an opiate, in crime down with you.

If you do it- start very small. And probably sniff/waterline it. Novice smoking attempts usually result in a lot of waste and ineffective delivery of the drug.
 
If you want to multiply your already complicated situation by 10000, by all means cop some dope. But it's one (counterproductive) thing for you who's abused opioids to try heroin (in rehab). But don't drag your partner who's never used an opiate, in crime down with you.

If you do it- start very small. And probably sniff/waterline it. Novice smoking attempts usually result in a lot of waste and ineffective delivery of the drug.


well i made him read the wikipedia article about heroin, i told him that there IS NO doing it once and walking away, i told him about my personal struggle with opiate addiction, and the HORRID withdraw and he still wanted to do it... he is an adult and i figure that he can make choices for his life for better or for worse.
i know its not a good idea to just start with heroin, but pharms are way to out of our price range.
and morphonorconic, what exactly is waterlining?
 
Honestly, it's my opinion that heroin is a lot scarier the way people make it out than what actually they should. Most people who try heroin don't ever have issues with addiction, but those are (generally) not the people sitting around online on drug boards. With nothin better to do. So what you hear from an addict and what you hear from prohibition propaganda isn't entirely the way it is.

Just my personal opinion, minus the "statistically speaking, most people who try heroin never get addicted." Which is a fact, but its also there is a statistically higher chance of you getting addicted to heroin than of you after trying another other drug.

But anyone who does get addicted to drugs, it's sad to me and to most people. But a lot of people think of it like a disease like obesity, and you could have a predisposition to it. But I'm not a therapist so I say just do it if you want to but don't get addicted like I did with being fat!
 
Heroin in my opinion the mother of most opiates, and where the highest purities are from my country, however unlike others i have found it rare to come across, and don't like the black tar which i did once and did have a good experience i prefer snorting small amounts of the powder to try it, but until it finds me i won't go searching for it.
 
Want some first time advice? DONT. As people said above, it's not as bad as heresay but if you have an addictive personality, which from your description of a jail detox I'm guessing you did..I'd steer clear.

if your still set on doing it, start off with one bag. Not knowing where your at or how reliable your hookup is, it could be anywhere from fire, to sugar.
Start with one bag and snort it, because I'm assuming your getting powdered heroin.

If your into smoking, you want black tar, which in my experience is more dangerous and harder to find.

Smoking powdered heroin would be on tin foil, chasing the dragon. With powder though, it's a waste.
 
being addicted to RX pain meds was bad enough, I had a death wish then,and was crazy breaking the law, burglaries. I still somewhat can say I had a sense of being and "self". When I switched to heroin, months later I became so strung out on it that I didn't care if I overdosed and died by doing too much heroin, it was a fantasy and delusion I played in my head, which cost me a lot of years in prison, rehabs, losing everything. I broke the habit in 2008, and been taking subs and MMT the past 5yrs..i got over heroin, it no longer gave me cravings,..until I relapsed 3weeks ago on heroin, after 5 yrs of cleantime, I honestly was doing it once in awhile, then once a week, twice a week, then whenever I can get money and opportunity!! it turned me into a zombie. I am an addict, and im prone to be hooked to literally everything. I can see myself going back down that dark lonely heroin hole, I have the opportunity to stop it now with MMT again...even tho I was clean from heoroin for 5 yyrs, I still abused suboxone, methadone, benzos, and became a crackhead lot for 3 years, I started subsitituing, this shit aint no game,it really is the cemetery, jail, rehab. When the 6pm news came on once, there was a potent batch of heroin going thru buffalo, people were ODing and dying in the library, in a car on the side of the road, everywhere. I remember telling myself "I wish I was in a shootin ggallery with that batch, the ultimate comfortably numb/deathly batch, wanted to go out like a junkie in a needle in his arm dying of an OD. spending 4yrs of prison saved my life, if it wasn't for 4yrs state prison I wouldn't of been forced to stop, if I had the choice, i'd be dead by now.
 
Seriously coolass9965, dude, check out kratom. Get a tincture or a special strong kind called "Ultra Enhanced Indo". It's so awesomely cool that you can catch a nod from this herb. If you say you have little/no tolerance I swear that a kratom tincture or UEI will floor you. And honestly, that feeling is better than dope. Kratom has a specialness to it. It's almost like a speedball because it is stimulating as well as nodding, but even I feel like a tiny MDMA feeling as well. If you have little or no tolerance to heroin, even if you mess with Rxs, give Kratom a try. I bet it will keep you feeling good for a good while. Then once you've had your run with Kratom, if you're still thinking about doing heroin, consider it at that point, but for now, please don't start heroin.

It's really the only thing I regret trying. I can only speak for myself. But it's really never a good idea to jump into doing heroin, no matter your experience or drug habits. Do Kratom while you still can! It's absolutely legal! It doesn't show up in drug tests!
 
Kratom isn't that great IMHO. I bought what was supposed to be 4-5 solid doses for a non-opiate dependent, brewed it all into a tea, and ended up drinking it all as the afternoon turned to night. It did fuck all. If I would've been smart with my pennies, I could have gotten at least one or two heavy doses from pretty much any other opiate.

It's not even as psychoactive as marijuana tbh, and if you're interested in trying heroin, Kratom is no replacement, not by a long shot.

Again, I'm not a drug addict, so I can't really tell you it will ruin your life or anything. It will probably make you puke though, least if you do enough. And by enough I mean a little too much lol.

Don't do drugs more than once a week or two or three and there's no possible way to get addicted.. Don't get me wrong, I tore shit up back in high school, but now a few years later, I don't want to. For a bunch of reasons. But hey, it's your life, do as you wish. Just letting you know Kratom is to a paper cut as heroin is to a proper prison shanking.
 
I cannot stress enough for you to NOT go down this road. Sure it sounds alot of fun right now (and it is) However feeling great comes with feeling horrible. Its the price you pay. Yes it is known for some to be occasional users, but that rarely happens. You dont think it can happen to you, but it can and it will. I would suggest as everyone above has, try some pharm opiates before jumping the gun, especially since you are going to use with a friend who has no tolerance. You may want to think about your friends well being too, being a first time user, possibly becoming an addict, or even ODing. Nobody wants to become a heroin addict, nothing glory about it, So please rethink about your decision.
Ofcourse there is always kratom too, as other users have suggested. Its legal, works well. Defiantly a better alternative than heroin or other pharm meds. That is if your going to choose to go down this road.
 
Well kid if you want facts, it's not rare for someone to try heroin and never get addicted. About 1/4 people who use heroin at least once end up with heroin addiction. And you got to remember, some of those 23%ers can get clean after an addiction. Course, people die from this shit. Balls in your court.

http://behaviorhealth.org/addiction.htm

Cited fact from Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Science.


Keep in mind every additional hit increases risk of addiction. It's about patterns.
 
lol i'll actually answer your question since i figure youre gonna do it whether someone helps you do it best or not. there is no real starting dose. i'm assuming youre talking about black tar heroin. you should get whatever quantity you feel comfortable buying, and using a knife and a flat piece of glass like a picture frame, put the heroin on the glass and cut off a circular piece with a diameter of a couple millimeters. you can do it much larger, it doesn't really matter. then, you should cut a square piece of foil about 6 inches by 6 inches. i actually used to do 6 inches by 8 inches. run a flame across both sides of the foil, don't hold the flame in any spot for longer than half a second. just kind of flicker the lighter across the whole thing. contrary to popular belief, it doesn't matter which side of the foil you use. the reason one is shiny and one is dull is not because of a coating, but because the machine brushes one side with tiny metal bristles. put the circular piece on the foil. push it down very lightly so that it doesn't smash the ball. you don't want to push hard enough to deform the ball at all. but you want to push enough so that when you hold the foil at a 90 degree angle perpendicular to the ground, the ball does not roll off. ideally you want a good little sphere thats stuck just very slightly, so that when you put a flame to it, it drips down rather than staying in the same spot. now, for a tooter. i would get one of those typical black bic pens, the really cheap ones. take out the pen tip, and using scissors cut the other end off so that you end up with a tube about 4 inches long. now stick this in between your two front teeth and close your lips over it. now i forgot to mention, you want to put the ball of tar near the upper right corner of the foil, so that you can hold the left side of the foil with your left hand, and with your right hand you can hold the lighter directly underneath the ball. there should be at least half an inch of space between the ball and the edge of the foil, both the top edge and the right edge. so it's not actually ON the northeast corner of the foil, but rather NEAR it. the foil should be at at least a 45 degree angle to the ground. the ball of heroin must drip down. i would usually do much steeper than 45 degrees, honestly like 70 or 75 degrees. but be more careful the first time until you get the hang of sticking it on there to prevent it from falling when you tilt it. now, the flame of your lighter should not actually touch the foil itself. it's okay if it does a little bit but you're wasting heroin and you could evaporate tiny pieces of aluminum if you hold the flame too close to the foil, and for too long. so you gotta look to the side and do a few practice runs before you burn the real thing. see where you should hold the lighter if you want the tip of the flame to be a millimeter away from the surface of the foil. you want the foil to get hot, but not burnt. so the tip should just barely hit the foil, in exactly the spot where the ball is. you'll probalby have to move the lighter around a bit until you find the sweet spot. and of course since youre holding it at an angle, the ball will immediately start rolling down the slope, and with your lighter in hand, you have to follow it. you want to be holding the tooter half an inch to an inch away from the ball at all times. so as the ball falls down the foil, you follow it with BOTH the tooter and the lighter. eventually the ball will get close to the bottom right corner. at this point, you want to rotate the foil counterclockwise 90 degrees, so that the bottom right corner becomes the top right corner. this way, the ball of heroin always stays in the top right corner and you never have to switch hands. just keep doing that until you form a spiral that takes up the whole foil. rinse and repeat. but honestly if you're a first time user, you should be pretty loaded within a couple hits. remember to inhale as deeply as possible and hold your breath as long as possible. you will know when you've had the "starter's dose" because you'll be nodding out, warm, euphoric, and your face will just feel fucking awesome. don't be scared, it's exactly like any other opiate and nobody has ever died from smoking heroin, to my knowledge. you would throw up or pass out way before you smoked enough to die. just make sure that if you pass out, you're lying on your side not your back because people have been known to die from choking on their own vomit, as you may already know. if u have any other questions you can PM me. and finally i should say that you should ignore everything i said and don't do heroin at all, but i know you're not gonna do that. but i hope you realize that however pleasurable you think heroins gonna make you feel, quitting it is gonna make you feel EXACTLY that shitty. 10 points of pleasure now equals 10 points of agony later on. i tried to kill myself because of it. it's serious shit so i hope you take it seriously and don't do this shit daily. you could walk out on the other side of addiction and end up fine, but it's not super likely. it would be a lot better for you to moderate your use off the bat. set some rules for how often youre gonna do this stuff, and don't break them. not even once, because once leads to twice. good luck
 
You can't ask where to find kratom, that's called sourcing, which isn't allowed. It's legal and available online. There are other forums where you can ask where to buy kratom. If you try heroin, and you have anything like somewhat positive experience, you will 100% do it again. It might be the next day, it might be 10 years later, but it's pretty much a fact that you will repeat your use upon having anything like a positive experience. The only way that your first use of heroin would be your only use would be for you to have some horrible experience where you vomit and feel crappy. Even then, people repeat the experience hoping to achieve the feeling that everyone who does heroin yearns for.
 
Ok here is the problem OP with some people saying oh only a fourth of people who try heroin get addicted. If you know you have a tendency to be addicted to opiates/opioids or abuse them then you are much more likely to become addicted to heroin. Obviously you already have that predisposition as you stated you have had to go through withdrawals before. I imagine that when you take the general population of people who have tried heroin then yes maybe 1/4 overall become addicted. But change that scenario to all the people who have already been abusing other opiates or have been dependent on opiates who then try heroin and think what the % of THOSE people who then become addicted to heroin..trust me its not a measly 25%..I would be afraid to guess how many but I would bet it is very very high. So please do not be fooled by those statistics when you are already a drug abuser/user who has already had an addiction.

The problem with saying oh if you only do a drug 2 or 3 times a week there is NO WAY you will become addicted is this is very deceiving. I promise you if you asked the addicted heroin users on this site or anywhere else they will tell you (the majority of them that is) sure you can say you will only do it 3times a week or even less but eventually it will become 4 times a week then everyday...then all day. Just read the stories here and you will see this trend time after time. And trust me when you begin to HAVE to have a drug, it is no longer fun.

Just take care and think carefully, go easy. And don't be fooled by careless statistics that don't address the population that you, and so many of us already belong to, an opiate drug abuser. <3
 
Waterlining is a technique used to sniff tar heroin, which is what is available in Oregon. Basically put some dope in spoon, add a few drops of water, mix and sniff. Sometimes tar can powdery and crystalline though, and can be insufflated like anything else.
 
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