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Long term H users only (the ones who've kept it together

edtree

edtree

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Hi Guys n Gals :
Would anyone mind sharing tips on how to cycle your dose of H to keep the dose low, still enjoy it, get max relief and minimise the w'd's between outings?
At the moment I've been able to stay on half a bag per iv two days straight then use either codeine based pain otc meds or valium on the days off. Its been a very short term strategy though and Im sure some of you have worked out better ways.
Btw I use for pain relief as well as thrills <3 (pain relief that feels like Christmas : )
Hari Om
edtree
 
I don't know any personally, I know some people who've managed to use H daily for four or five years and then get off of it without any serious long term consequences, but those are rare. Most people I know who've used for a long time have hep c (the ones who injected that is), multiple attempts at rehab, multiple arrests...etc.

Three of my good friends who I grew up with are dead from overdosing on Heroin after a period of sobriety, they overestimated their tolerance and stopped breathing. My friends brother almost died just last week from H, if his brother hadn't found him unconscious when he did that would have been it for my for my friend's teenage brother.

This is only my personal experience. I only smoked it for a short time.

If there is a way to use H daily in the long term and keep it together I'd like to hear about it too...
 
There's only 1 answer to your question and that's to use less frequently. There isn't a magic formula to allow you to use heroin without all the inevitable consequences.

I debated back and forth about this thread and ultimately I decided to close it because it has the potential to produce harm. People believing that there is any way to use without the natural consequences of tolerance and withdrawal has the potential to get people into bad situations because with sufficient use, these are unavoidable... hence the first sentence above.

From one pain patient to another- opioid abuse is literally the worst thing we can be doing. I've seen so many other people in pain chase that high and once someone gets hooked, its over.

If people are in enough pain to require opioids but they've already lost control over their use, they're never going to be satisfied... they can't use responsibly for pain because it triggers their craving and they'll jack their tolerance up to where they can't get enough prescriptions or can't afford a habit to keep their pain under control.

If you think I'm wrong and you'd like to explain why this should be reopened, then please PM me. Just a couple hours ago I received a PM and reopened a thread... the reason I'm closing this is because I don't think its in the best interest of yourself or others reading this thread to believe that there's any way to escape tolerance or withdrawal but if you see harm reduction value in this then please let me know.

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The OP politely requested that this be re-opened and moved so I'll send it over to BDD.



---->BDD
 
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unsettled said:
I don't know any personally, I know some people who've managed to use H daily for four or five years and then get off of it without any serious long term consequences, but those are rare. Most people I know who've used for a long time have hep c (the ones who injected that is), multiple attempts at rehab, multiple arrests...etc.

Three of my good friends who I grew up with are dead from overdosing on Heroin after a period of sobriety, they overestimated their tolerance and stopped breathing. My friends brother almost died just last week from H, if his brother hadn't found him unconscious when he did that would have been it for my for my friend's teenage brother.

This is only my personal experience. I only smoked it for a short time.

If there is a way to use H daily in the long term and keep it together I'd like to hear about it too...
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Sorry to hear of the bad times and thanks for the reply.
I know that there are ppl out there who are'/have used for long periods and Im hoping this will get to them so the cab share some tips. It may be though that those ppl don't even feel the need to come to BL or maybe my question has been answered elsewhere but I cant find it. Im not after "use it once a week" as that won't cut it. I need to know long term strategies for using iv often and not raising the dose. Im currently doing two on one off but as the one off gets harder Im wondering what I can take to get through that besides what's already been stated.
Perhaps there's no solution. I don't know. That;s why I posted.
Hari Om
edtree

Basically I guess "Is Cain Right" or are there other opinions. That's all I wanna know!
 
I find having something to keep you occupied on your days 'off' really helps. When I'm working I don't use and I do sweat, have a runny nose and sneeze a lot, but I just see it as having a cold in work.
Also I read somewhere else on here that heroin only stays in your system for 5 days so technically you can't get physicaly addicted if you use only once a week.
Hope this helps a little. :)
Stay safe.
 
quit before you literally need it every day is my advice....daily opiate use will change your life ask any addict they'd tell you they wish they'd of quit years ago before it got too hard
 
moderation is key. daily use promotes a gradual increase in dosage for relief. i used daily for over 17 months. i finally kicked the mindset of needing it everyday. i do however have a problem, instead of h every day, ive now replaced it with cokke or G...now sometimes h. now that i use once or twice weekly, .2 will last me a full day.
 
i agree with ronthedon. youre walking down a spiral staircare, and at one point, your brain flips a lever, and the stair set turns into a slide. then you hurtle down. moderation is KEY though, to a successful life using anything. its a matter of conquering those demons who like to be fed daily. let your brain fast for the BETTER half of the week.
 
alcy42 said:
i agree with ronthedon. youre walking down a spiral staircare, and at one point, your brain flips a lever, and the stair set turns into a slide. then you hurtle down. moderation is KEY though, to a successful life using anything. its a matter of conquering those demons who like to be fed daily. let your brain fast for the BETTER half of the week.
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Thanks mate that's the way Ill head I reckon keep it to a bag a week for a while before making any further appraisals. No pain some of the time is way better than now for sure!
Hari Om
edtree
Thanks to all who bothered to reply as well, all pov are well noted q;-7
 
I have found the best way to keep you tolerance low is to cycle 7 days of bupenorphine ( Suboxone ) every 2 months. take very low doses, as in dont make it so your are completely comfortable, but dont let yourself go sick either. just take small enough to keep you ok.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
There's only 1 answer to your question and that's to use less frequently. There isn't a magic formula to allow you to use heroin without all the inevitable consequences.

I debated back and forth about this thread and ultimately I decided to close it because it has the potential to produce harm. People believing that there is any way to use without the natural consequences of tolerance and withdrawal has the potential to get people into bad situations because with sufficient use, these are unavoidable... hence the first sentence above.

From one pain patient to another- opioid abuse is literally the worst thing we can be doing. I've seen so many other people in pain chase that high and once someone gets hooked, its over.

If people are in enough pain to require opioids but they've already lost control over their use, they're never going to be satisfied... they can't use responsibly for pain because it triggers their craving and they'll jack their tolerance up to where they can't get enough prescriptions or can't afford a habit to keep their pain under control.

If you think I'm wrong and you'd like to explain why this should be reopened, then please PM me. Just a couple hours ago I received a PM and reopened a thread... the reason I'm closing this is because I don't think its in the best interest of yourself or others reading this thread to believe that there's any way to escape tolerance or withdrawal but if you see harm reduction value in this then please let me know.

_____________________________

The OP politely requested that this be re-opened and moved so I'll send it over to BDD.



---->BDD
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It seems its about self control & controlling your intake for opiate use for pain & not for getting high that will allow someone to use steadily over time. Like I said, its self control but if the drug craving sink its teeth into you, it could be a long dark road.
 
If you are a pain patient, the key is to take the pain meds for pain & not to get high, obviously.....but you know how it can get, so becareful.
 
OxyDillyKing said:
I have found the best way to keep you tolerance low is to cycle 7 days of bupenorphine ( Suboxone ) every 2 months. take very low doses, as in dont make it so your are completely comfortable, but dont let yourself go sick either. just take small enough to keep you ok.
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Very interesting, as I am basically forced to do this monthly, when I run out of my OC script.
But I have realized that once I go back on Oxy., my tolerance is ALWAYS decreased, somewhat.
When on the Subs., I take as small of dose as possible, and I am on them for around 8-14 days, on average.


To OP

While Heroin is not my DOC., I think I have insight, as I am a long term user of OC, and have always wanted to keep my tolerance low.

I believe we all try to take a break, for a day or so, and/or switch to weaker meds. to help the situation.
The problem with this, as we more wound up in our choice drug, the "time breaks" become harder, and harder to do.

And then you get to a point, the only reason you take ANY breaks at all, is that you just can't get your DOC.
IMO what starts off with great intentions, can sometimes end up as "just getting by."
Make any sense?

Best
 
Pchild said:
Very interesting, as I am basically forced to do this monthly, when I run out of my OC script.
But I have realized that once I go back on Oxy., my tolerance is ALWAYS decreased, somewhat.
When on the Subs., I take as small of dose as possible, and I am on them for around 8-14 days, on average.


To OP

While Heroin is not my DOC., I think I have insight, as I am a long term user of OC, and have always wanted to keep my tolerance low.

I believe we all try to take a break, for a day or so, and/or switch to weaker meds. to help the situation.
The problem with this, as we more wound up in our choice drug, the "time breaks" become harder, and harder to do.

And then you get to a point, the only reason you take ANY breaks at all, is that you just can't get your DOC.
IMO what starts off with great intentions, can sometimes end up as "just getting by."
Make any sense?

Best
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Yeah that makes perfect sense & thanks for sharing : )
The need to control the pain issue does get clouded by the longing for euphoria. I wanna find a balance. Once men dreamed of flying like birds or travelling to the moon. Now we can. My hope is that this, more basic desire is obtainable as well, for all whom desire it ^_^
Hari Om
edtree

P.s Although intellectually I fear Cane2the left is right, emotionally I hope to find anecdotal evidence to the contrary so have persisted with this thread!
 
imo once a month is the only way.,,or none at all..ive had major h habit,,, basicly destroyed my life,,u will be a slave too h,,, if you are not very very carefull
 
I have been using h for about three years off and on. I recomend stoping asap because there is nothing good that comes from addiction. Lucky for me I didn,t go off the deep end and I thinks thats only because I had the money. I recomend starting to cut down everyday, you wil still experince withdraws but they wont be as bad.
 
But what are we being addicted to....a life free of physical and emotional pain? are we supposed to forgo that and toil through an alternative life of drudgery and torment? I will take the former over the later any day. Perhaps the Ups and Downs of addiction are better than the monotony of a 'normal' life! I would just like to know what strategies there are people have employed successfully that can elongate the joy and minimise the sadness?
Hari Om
edtree
 
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