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long term effects of massive phenazepham and mdpv overdoses?

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hey there, ive allready posted my 2 encounters with mdpv in the mdpv-danger threat http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9789135&postcount=538.

i had 2 binges where i consumed (vaped) approximately ~800 mg pv the first time over 3 or 4 days and about 1000mg over a time of 4-5 days combined with 400 mg d2pm and about 200-400 mg phenazepam(also vaped a little bit of it).
the 2cond binge ended on monday, so its about a week ago.

im still alive, i think mrs justice wasnt watching as i was doing this shit, please dont judge this, i condemn myself pretty hard for this, doing this shit to myself my family, "the rc-scene"(ppl like me are dangerous for the rc scene) and of course putting my girlfriend trough this, i really really fucked up this time!

i already went to a hospital where they checked my pulse which was of course raised(usual hr is about 60-70 and now its still around 80-110 depending on what im doing, i would consider this normal, my blood pressure was about 140/80 also usual for me.
(in retrospect i regret going to the hospital because they didn't do shit for my and told my things i already knew, so that was some waste of money)

i discovered quite unusual patterns of behavior which i first thought to be psychotic, but have been told from a men that works in a emergency admission at a that a stimulant induced psychosis would remark quite quick after the trip has ended, so i seemingly dodged a bullet there too

but im still not really being on a normal level, having problems with my coordinations , my balance is quite fucked and the heart rate is still not normal

so i still have some options, i consider going to a cardioloist to check if all the stuff damaged my heart, i could go to a neurologist to check if there is some damage done, also i could go to the local drug-counseling center
but i fear that noone would be able to help me out there, im totaly fragituted, lost 15 kilos and feeling kinda depressed.

ive been calling a person in berlin from a drug study group of one of the political partys here in germany who is the "expert" there for research chemicals and he couldnt help my out with any informations, he didnt even knew what mdpv was.

so my question is what i should do next exept eating healthy, taking some magnesium and of course if any of the doctors could help me in any way(they dont know the metabolism of mdpv, at what receptors it binds etc).
so how longlasting could be the after effects, did i do real physical damage to myself? and would a neurologist or a cardiologist even be useful for me or will tell me that they have no idea about nothing?
 
In all honesty (from what I have seen) the only damage you'll do to your body binging on MDPV is not from the drug iself but rather from things like staying awake for hours on end without eating. Drug induced damage can occur but it's usualy things like getting arrested, or having a heart attack/stroke. I hesistate to say this, but compared to most drugs, MDPV is fairly benign.

You'll probably feel kinda wonky for a month or so as your system straightens itself out. D2PM is a very fat-soluble drug and traces will hang around in your body for quite some time.

There shouldn't be any permanent physical damage (except to your wallet). Going to a cardiologist and neurologist will probably be a waste of time. I would take up a hobby and get active, and your dopamine system should "reboot". If after several months you are still depressed then I suggest a non-SSRI antiidepressant like Wellbutrin. I don't think that's neccesary, however.

TL;DR: Most of the damage inflicted is psychological and will fade with time.
 
what about the phenazepam overdose, ive tried to make some kind of calender of the last week how i felt and what i did with my girlfriend and noticed that i dont recall what was an hour ago and asking her over and over again whats the plan for the day, still the benzo memorything?
tomorrow i will visit the local emergency admission and see what they can tell me, anyway thanks for the answers ur guys helped me out good <3
 
Don't go to Emergency, it's not an Emergency if you can still walk and have all your limbs. You will be wasting the valuable attention spans of the ER staff with your comparatively trivial question. Go to an Urgent Care or a normal ol' doctor in a few days, after you can remember what you did an hour ago.

If you can't remember things you said or did an hour ago you probably still have phenazepam in you. 400mg is a fuckton of phenaz; it's active at 0.5mg and is very fat soluble so it takes a while to eliminate... you'll probably be better in a few days.
 
When I ate around 70mg of clonazepam while getting pulled over, my memory was very bad for the next month or so, getting better over time. My short term memory is still very poor (ridiculously so), though I can't pinpoint this on any one drug as I've done quite a few. My long term memory does seem to have become very good to compensate a bit.
 
sekio said:
Don't go to Emergency, it's not an Emergency if you can still walk and have all your limbs.
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sry spelled it wrong its an advice center for drugs, and its mainly because my girlfriend cant handle to see me somehow "changed"
 
its been nearly a month now and im back to baseline <3
still no memory of about 4-5 days after the usage tough
 
I have done a lot lot worse. Vaped MDPV is the 'best' way you coudl have taken it.

The phenazepam takes time to get out of the system, during whcih time u may experience mood swings.

The MDPV will take time to reduce your general anxiety / psycotic levels, BUT you will be fine.

Eat well, sleep and try not to worry yourself!
 
And abstinence or stricter dosing regime, which is a laughable idea with vaped MDPV[/QUOTE]

You said it o.O
 
ive been to a detox about 3 weeks after the binge and value of benzodiazepines in my urine was 1100 ng/ml(210 creatinin mg/dl), they told me taking 5 mg diazepham brings it to ~2000-2500
also im experiencing quite a mean withdrawal from the pv, had consumption dreams since the day the detox ended and also noticing myself thinking about it a lot throughout the day(it get better with time, the last 2 days i was able to focus on other things)
also the overall depressed feeling didn't fade, at all
thx for the answers so far <3
 
MDPV seems to be ablee to take a stranglehold on your reward systems, hence it's compulsiveness and your way of taking it (vapourized) produces the fastest rise in plasma levels possible (faster even than IV), so by using in that manner, you really lit up your reward system and as with any such thing, it takes a while for the brain to reset itself from such behaviour. The depression/anhedonia will fade with time,unless you go back to a dopaminergic drug (which is just really digging yourself into a deeper hole).

Sorry to have to say, but the only realistic way to get back to normal is abstainance...
 
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Perhaps we should be more cautious when using terms like "overdose" on a tremendously public forum. Using this sort of language (particularly in respect to legally ambiguous compounds) serves to fan the flames of scheduling hysteria, and for the most part, is an issue that cannot be remedied or accurately assessed via forum input. Just a thought.
 
I heard that phenazepam metabolizes to nor-diazepam. Is that right? If so, its really long half-life would explain persisting balance problems. Moot point now, maybe.

ebola
 
negrogesic said:
Perhaps we should be more cautious when using terms like "overdose" on a tremendously public forum. Using this sort of language (particularly in respect to legally ambiguous compounds) serves to fan the flames of scheduling hysteria, and for the most part, is an issue that cannot be remedied or accurately assessed via forum input. Just a thought.
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Yeah, I think most of us here totally agree with you about not fanning the flames. But...probably too late to do any more damage. PV is pretty much played out in the usa...most vendors I've used stopped carrying it very recently. Probably due to a guy in New York that got busted and is facing 20 years for pv/bath salts distribution. Should post a link to the story but don't have it at hand. Anyone else heard the same?
 
negrogesic said:
Perhaps we should be more cautious when using terms like "overdose" on a tremendously public forum. Using this sort of language (particularly in respect to legally ambiguous compounds) serves to fan the flames of scheduling hysteria, and for the most part, is an issue that cannot be remedied or accurately assessed via forum input. Just a thought.
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yeah, i kinda agree with this opinoin even after reading other posts about people doing shitloads more of this compount, and it is turning out that the supstance itself issnt that harmfull as people think it is, cleary the dange lies within the fiedish character of the drug that makes people doing binges that are clearly unhealthy, not only because of the compound then rather staying awaik for a week dont dringing and eating at that time.
so the conclusion in my opinion is if this is a drug people are able to handle without getting gripped by their balls by that stuff.
by the way the terror that reports spread already forced a lot of states and government to ban this compound, and i agree that worlds like "overdose" and the horrific experiences people has gathered and reported done a great deal for the upcoming prohibition
 
ebola? said:
I heard that phenazepam metabolizes to nor-diazepam. Is that right? If so, its really long half-life would explain persisting balance problems. Moot point now, maybe.

ebola
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This can't be possible, unless the body is somehow able to switch the bromine atom in phenazepam out with a chlorine atom as is in nordiazepam.
However, wikipedia lists the half-life of nordiazepam as 36-200 hours, and of phenazepam as 60 hours, so they are similar.
 
The last time I did MDPV was a few days over 1 year ago. I did 2 binges in fairly close proximity, vaped like yourself. First binge I believe I used 500mg with plenty of Temazepam and Lorazepam mixed in and for the comedown, lasted about 3 days I believe. This got me ready for binge #2 which was a nightmare, and only ~12 hours long! I started around 8 or 9pm, ingesting the last of my Temazepam and hitting the foil with MDPV. I had 1 gram, in 12 hours I went through about 300mg, probably 100mg from 5:30-8am. I also had an 6 hour shift at work, 10-4pm. Yeah...Ingested probably 8mg Lorazepam before work to deal with the twitchiness and fiending. I then started to get tired by mid-afternoon and had anticipated this so naturally had a 15mg line of PV. Finished the day of living hell, went home and felt like I was dying, I can't really recall the comedown, but I'm sure it was horrible. I know I was zombified at work all day.

It took me so long to recover, I'm still not sure I'm 100% right. Ever since then I have noticed VERY pronounced arthritic type pain in my fingers, wrists, shoulders, right ankle and right knee. The leg pain got so bad that by Spring I was limping and couldn't run 5 feet. I went to physiotherapy and now it is 'ok', but not 100%. I'm not sure if this was really 'related' to the PV binges, but what I can say is the PV binges initially set in some major low pain threshold, which I began using opiates more regularly to cover up and from there we had a vicious cycle on our hands, I probably injured my leg from running too far on opiates, or too many days in a row, aided by the opiates. My lungs felt painful for a month or two after, by March I had quit smoking because I was getting so scared but after 2 weeks off I went back on the smokes and the pain never seemed to come back.

I literally did NOTHING from December - May. I quit my job, I had only 2 courses at school which I barely attended. I literally sat in bed, smoked Cannabis, did opiates 1-3x a week and watched movies, TV shows and read. I also worked-out about 2-3x a week which was basically the only 'productive' thing I was doing. Even going to get groceries seemed like this huge ordeal. In May school finished I started to work full-time over the summer. I start school full-time in January and feel ready. I haven't been working out that much since summer ended but I blame a worsening opiate addiction (started IVing occasionally), which I've now quit.

MDPV is one hell of a drug when smoked. I hope you're doing well. I feel so sorry for the lost souls who are doing this stuff daily/regularly, it is so unhealthy and soul-destroying!
 
Based on my experiences and those of users around me, I very strongly agree that MDPV really tweaks your reward system. I found myself taking up smoking again, sneaking off to watch porn, basically anything addictive Ive done in my life MDPV use makes me wanna do it over and over again lol. Definitely not a drug for weak willed individuals!
 
vortex30 said:
I literally did NOTHING from December - May. I quit my job, I had only 2 courses at school which I barely attended. I literally sat in bed, smoked Cannabis, did opiates 1-3x a week and watched movies, TV shows and read. I also worked-out about 2-3x a week which was basically the only 'productive' thing I was doing. Even going to get groceries seemed like this huge ordeal.
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yeah, thats quite like my life has been the last few months
i think that the mdpv totally fucks up the reward system and has caused me even more severe depressions than ive had before
i hope you will get back on track
 
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