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Ein-2765

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First off, just to let everyone know, I'm not really looking for advice. I already know pretty much what I'm going to do, I guess I'd just like to hear other people's opinions as I have no one else to talk to about this. Also, I apologize if this is severely long winded.

But before I get started, I think a little background about me is probably best. I'll be 21 in May and I have zero romantic history. I've never been in any kind of relationship, much less had sex or even kissed anyone. Weird, I know. But in high school I just never felt ready, never felt mature enough. I knew I wanted something lasting, but I was probably too angsty at the time (plus, I didn't have a job or a car). And now I have no social interactions with anyone new. I work from home, so my time is my own, but I just barely scrape by. I mean I have zero additional funds for anything. I can't even afford internet (luckily there's a public wi-fi nearby). I still can't drive (only have a permit), so I get rides from family and friends, and I'm shy when approaching new people.

Okay, now on with the main event. I've tried online dating since I turned 18. However, living in a small town, wanting something long-term, and being liberal in a red state have all conspired against me. Plus, I know the odds about finding someone online, so I've never really actively looked. So for the three years I've been looking (I went on a 9 month sabbatical from all things online a little over a year ago), I've only gotten responses from a few dozen people, only about half of those went beyond introductory messages, and I've only had a good back and forth with about 10 people. Of those, I only really connected with five, and met one. But of the five, I only saw myself being with one of them (and it wasn't the one I actually met).

So anyways, I started talking with this girl (who I'll call K) on OkCupid, about three months ago. While browsing I came across her profile, and I liked what I read... a lot. Among other things, she was the first non-Republican hunter I've ever comes across, so at the very least that alone intrigued me. However, I've learned not to get my hopes up so I wasn't really expecting a reply. So when one came, it was a nice surprise. And the more we talked, the more I liked her. We kind of hinted at things romantically, found out we pretty much wanted the same thing (enduring, long-lasting love), but we only really talked about platonic things... mainly our pasts and our interests. Now I'm not saying we got especially close (we're still in the "getting to know each other" phase), but it's simply amazed me the amount of things we had in common. She even called herself a hermit (which I basically am, for all intents and purposes).

We had a lapse in conversations for ten days or so when she was traveling and got sick. And then a week after we started talking again she just stopped writing. I didn't want to seem needy or pressure her so I waited for her to write me again. I wrote her a quick note on Christmas wishing her well, hoped for a reply but didn't expect (or ask) for one. Then a few days later she deleted her account, and my only way of contacting her. She didn't write to tell me what was up, or to even ask me to stop contacting her. I was just cut off. It hurt, probably more than it should've, given we'd only exchanged a dozen or so messages, extensive and personal, though they were.

I had chosen not to look her up on Facebook previously, feeling that if she wanted to talk to me there she would've offered, but I didn't have another option. So I found her on there, friended her and asked why she closed her OkCupid account. She happened to be online at the same time so I got an instant friendship acceptance, and we started talking again. I found out that she'd had a pretty trying three weeks since she last contacted me. Apparently she had fallen pretty sick with tonsillitis, which prevented her from exercising which contributed to an already present depression (which she's suffered from since adolescence), and she had just recently cut off all contact with her closest friend (she's was vague on the details, but apparently he did something "anticipated but disappointing").

Her messages from this point on were very frank and blunt, almost rude. I welcomed the fact that she was now being more honest and open with me, but the responses from her were now even less frequent than before and I could tell that she wasn't in the right frame of mind to really be enjoying our chats. Plus, she doesn't like only being able to talk online with someone, especially a person she's never met. Unfortunately, we live 300 miles apart, but still in the same state (Alaska). I offered several times to talk on the phone with her, but the first couple she was still too sick at the time, and the last one she just ignored.

Finally I just grew tired of the uncertainty and lack of involvement on her part and confronted her about it. She admitted that she was just too depressed to care about anything anymore, and she only wanted to deal with her family since they're the only ones that have experience with her moods. I wrote her a final message on Jan 23 telling her that I was going to give her space. I would welcome any contact from her when she was up to it, and I wished her well. She already had my cell number.

We haven't directly spoken since then. She still updates her Facebook page every day or so, and I've commented once, but that's it. Most of her posts seem perfectly normal, and only a few have hinted at her depression.

So, in all, we never really became close. There's still quite a bit about her life that I don't know. I did get a pretty good sense of who she is, though. I really do not want to drift away from her. It's not so much any kind of bond we have now (like I said, we don't each other well enough), but I feel like there's a lot of potential between us. I've never had this connection with someone before. I wouldn't even call it romantic or platonic. She just feels so familiar to me; it's like she's a female version of me. It's almost scary how alike we are. Even people I've known for years and asked out, I didn't feel this way about. And I have to admit, almost all of my previous propositions to girls have been from lust. But not this one. In truth, even though I would be disappointed, I wouldn't even mind it if we didn't date, but just stayed friends.

I'm planning on writing her again once a month has passed, just to check in on her and let her know I'm still interested. I'm not going to pressure her or expect a response. I had thought about sending her something Valentine's oriented on Thursday, but it didn't feel right. We never really talked about romance except in general terms, so I didn't want to send the wrong signals.


That about covers everything. I apologize again for the excessive length, but I just wanted to make sure I covered everything.

Any thoughts would be welcome.
 
you say you're not looking for advice, then ask for people's thoughts. I can see that you have problems with inconsistent communication straight off the bat.

Leave her to it. She sounds like she is going through a lot of stuff, and really does just want to be left alone.

I have a bunch of advice i could give you on boosting your confidence and other social things too, but only if you would like some.

Lastly - don't apologize for yourself so much! It doesn't create a very good image of yourself - apologize if you hurt people, nothing less.
 
I'm very much aware of the fact that I'm too courteous and polite for my own good. I'm not really forthright because I don't like to make assumptions about people; the last thing I want to be is a pushy asshole. I do fine with most things social, it's just the icebreaker that I can never nail. And I have absolutely no clue about how to start a romance or no nothing about "signals" or whatnot. I've never approached someone I didn't already know, and even then it took a lot of nerve. Knowing something theoretically and putting it into practice are two very different things for me.

I posted not so much for suggestions than for feedback. I just wanted to see what peoples thoughts were, get a different perspective. They may see something that I don't, since as I said, I have zero experience. Advice on social things would be appreciated, too.
 
cool, I'll hook you up with an email - I'll work on that this evening and send it either tonight before bed or tomorrow.

All I can say for now is "nothing ventured nothing gained", and "who dares wins" - why is it so hard for you to approach people do you think? Did you have a very sheltered childhood? What has happened to you to make this your social situation?
 
I honestly don't know. I was perfectly normal throughout school. Just a bit of a loner, and since my interests were different than others (I'm just naturally reserved in public) I never really had close friends. Then after I left school (rather abruptly) all contact with other people was basically cut off completely. Being alone all-day, every day for nearly four years, somehow I just developed a nervousness when I'm around other people, and it was compounded by my guilt about not putting my best into school work and meet with various officials.

It has nothing to do with what to say. I'm perfectly eloquent. I just get nervous and stammer and I hate that which makes it worse... I just feel like a burden. It makes so whenever I see anyone I know in public I just try to avoid them.

Not really on topic, but oh well...
 
How much sun do you get? How much exercise do you get? Nervous is fine for a little while, you will get over it - just make sure to try and make small talk with everyone you meet for more than 10 seconds - you will be amazed how this can help you progress.

Nothing wrong with being an introvert - it can creatively be very helpful.

The topic is you. Will hit you up tomorrow morn. Bed time. Go grab some sun for at least an hour tomorrow - try this everyday, bask in it, and try some "pranayama" - breath control. This is excellent when feeling nervous, anxiety drifts away.
 
Heh. I live in Alaska, where for 8 months of the year we have between 4-7 hours of daylight, and only two with the sun actually out. Besides, it's frickin' cold out. I can handle being outside at 15 above (Fahrenheit that is) with just a t-shirt, but those days here are seldom. And as for summer, it gets too hot outside for my liking, especially in direct sunlight. Why do you ask?

As for exercise, I jog and do push-ups infrequently. I have no access to any equipment and with snow outside for most of the year it makes running impractical, especially where I live (lots of icy hills).

And I think my nervousness goes beyond breathing exercises. I'll try it, but typically I feel it in my gut, like impending doom, and my palms get clammy.
 
I'm glad you didn't seems her anything on Valentine's day. Considering nothing really happened between you, it would've been inappropriate. If I were you, I wouldn't contact her again. Why waste your time on someone who doesn't really want to talk to you? All this will accomplish is keeping your hopes up for something that might never happen. It's best to leave yourself open so that when someone worthy of your attention comes along, you're free. Don't settle for anything less!
 
It's a moot point now, anyways. She deleted her Facebook page, and I have no other way to contact her (unless I looked up her home number in the phone book, something I'm very reticent to do).

Obviously her mood has not improved in the last four weeks since we talked. I'm still hopeful that we'll have to opportunity to talk some time in the future, but it doesn't look likely now.
 
if getting sufficient sunlight is not possible do you supplement with vitamin D?

vit D deficiency can result in depression/anxiety etc etc etc

as for main post srry but tl:dr
 
She's made it obvious that she wants to be left alone. Maybe she's having some sort of breakdown, who knows. But I think it's better
that you found out now as opposed to being in a traditional relationship and getting froze out like that.
 
It does suck she wasn't more honest with you - probably would have hurt less than going to all this trouble to make it harder for you to contact her - but the message is pretty clear. Maybe it's best you don't have any more means of contacting her anymore, really. It's a shame, and I'm sorry you felt such a connection to her, but that's an inherent risk of internet dating or of just meeting people on the internet in general. I think the best you can do right now is probably work on your social skills and give yourself more of a chance to meet someone IRL (although I can imagine how frustrating that would be living in a small town...I've lived in huge cities my whole life so can't really imagine, but that must be a big downside :\).
 
The problem isn't just living in a small (and isolated) town, but being in a small town where most everyone has different values than me. I'm a liberal atheist with socialist leanings, so being in a red state with a whole bunch of Republican Christians that like to kick back on the weekends, drink beer and hunt... makes things a trifle difficult.

Hell, all of my neighbors have either been heavily involved in Church or even straight-up pastors. I've only ever met one other person here who actually described themselves as anything other than Christian.

But, I've grown up here and have acclimated to the lifestyle, so I don't really fit in anywhere else. I've tried... I'm originally from Denver, so I visit there about once a year, but I just don't like it there. The heat, the crowds, the fast-paced living...

Anyways, thanks for all the well wishes. I'm almost certain that my shyness/anxiety is psychological, since it doesn't affect me if I don't think about it. The problems start when I have time to over-analyze things, when I have the chance to doubt myself. Still not sure how to overcome it, but I'll get there.
 
Bro, fuck Alaska. Come here to Toronto. Rangrz and Ms.G will take you out for epic fucking party and fun time. You'll it here, it's liberal as fuck, religion is a non-issue, and there are oh so many deliciously cute girls.
 
I'll certainly consider it. Lately I have been thinking about moving. There's nothing really tying me to where I currently live, and I'm actually getting pretty sick of the people here. The only change that happens here is from the ever-increasing military population, and all that means is horrible traffic and more Pier 1's and Wal-Marts.

I'm not sure how knowledgeable you are about this, but what all would be involved in moving to Canada? Would I have to get a work visa of some kind? Bureaucracy gives me a headache...
 
You need a work visa; yes. BUT as an American Citizen, you get very, very preferential treatment when applying. All you need really is a job offer from a Canadian employer, this is cause of NAFTA. You can enter for the lulz for up to 3 months just on your US passport. You could use that 3 months to try and find a job in Canada and get a job offer.

And I'm telling you man...Canadian chicks are hot.
 
^If you're that unhappy where you live/feel like you've got nothing in common with the people there and can afford moving, I say go for it.
Last september I moved from Paris to London because at the time, I really hated my life in Paris and although it certainly wasn't (isn't) easy adapting to a whole new culture etc., in general I know I was more than right to make that step. Ofc it was also easier for me cuz they're both in the EU so there's a limited amount of bureaucracy, but still, the point is if you're not happy where you are and have the possibility of moving away, I think you should :)
 
Sounds promising. There's a few loose ends I'd have to tie up here first. I still have some paperwork that I have to finish from school before I can apply for employment (I work for myself and do odd jobs here and there so it hasn't been a problem). I also have no savings and basically live day-to-day, so the biggest problem would be the actual cost of the move and finding a place there I could afford.

Just thinking out loud...

Thanks for the suggestion.
 
When I first read the title quickly, you know, buzzing through all the posts to see which ones to read, I thought it said "penile problems". I was thinking, doesn't everyone know about Viagra and Cialis by now? Then I looked a little closer and saw that wasn't the case. I just thought someone might find it funny. Sorry to bother you, as you were.
 
Well, a lot has certainly changed since my last update. If this is tl;dr I apologize.

We're talking again. She restored her Facebook page, but almost halved her friend's list (I'm still on it).

I'm still trying to get her to open up, but she's still continuing on being bitter and vague. She never really directly addresses anything I say. Certainly any questions I ask her are simply ignored.

It seems like we've fallen into the same pattern as before, with me being the drving force in conversation and probably getting way to invested, and her responses getting more and more infrequent and shorter.

However, there is quite major change now. It appears that a lot of her mood was due to fear that she might be pregnant. Her period just started, and it seems like her demeanor has taken a considerable turn for the better. I still don't know the circumstances, though. And I don't want to ask her because it really isn't any of my business, even though I do want to know.

I guess I just put the cart WAY in front of the horse. I just feel so stupid. Here I've been, most likely building this girl up on a pedastal for the last 3 months, dreaming of a relationship with her, and still I have no clue if she has ever thought of me in that way. She's obviously been romantically active since we started talking, but she's never even hinted about it. She took a trip with a male friend (who she described having a brotherly relationship with) to Chicago and Seattle back in November, and did have a twinge of jealousy when she told me this, but that was it. I took her at her word that she didn't have that kind of relationship with him. Then shortly thereafter she had a falling out with her closest friend, the only person that she could really talk to anymore, but she didn't elaborate. I've always assumed that these two friends are the same person. She hasn't opened up enough to confirm or deny it, though.

I still don't know why she's even talking to me. I just don't understand her motivations right now.

I don't know what to write to her next. I'm hoping her sharing this with me means she wants to be more open with me, and try to start talking again, but I just don't know. I'm also not completely certain that she actually did have a pregnancy scare, and that she may just be have been flippant. I don't want to assume the wrong thing and then be seriously in trouble.



She sent me a message last night, completely out of the blue and unrelated to anything I said in my last email. I'm going to post what she wrote (and my response) because paraphrasing just won't suffice.


Saturday
8:51pm
Her
I have never been so happy to experience the exquisite agony that is menstrual cramping as I am now. And that was probably way more information then you ever wanted to know, but damn I'm feeling so much better now. Can't help but express it. People still suck of course, but that's okay! Sort of. Well whatever.


Sunday
2:31am
Me
I can't say that I've ever experienced that before, so I can honestly say I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm also not quite sure how to take what you mean by your exquisite agony making you feel better. I certainly have experienced pain so intense that I literally cannot focus on anything else, no matter how occupied my mind was. And I also know that experiencing pain can lead to a certain kind of euphoria that just casts a more pleasant light on everything else.

This message also has certain elements in common with texting while intoxicated, so I also have absolutely no clue as to why you told me any of this, but such is life, I guess. Glad to see that you're feeling better, no matter how odd the circumstances might be.

And I also am acutely aware how obnoxiously clinical I can talk in prose (sorry about that). I guess my inner pretentiousness is activated when I don't have to actually see people roll their eyes at me when I talk.


Sunday
2:56am
Her
It's called "I'm not pregnant". Drunk on euphoria maybe.



Finding this out doesn't really change things for me. I still want to be with her. That might change in the future if I learn of the circumstances of why she thought she was pregnant, and how she runs her romantic life (her dream of having a long-lasting love like her parents seems at odds with the fact that she just had a pregnancy scare when she hasn't described herself as anything other than single), but for right now I still want a chance at a relationship with her. Maybe this was just a series of bad mistakes that she made without thinking things through, or just being screwed over (no pun intended) by people she thought she could trust.

Obviously these things are way out of my experience to handle. Advice would be sincerely appreciated.
 
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