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Pretty_Diamonds said:
I would say 16. And the first time they would have to do it in the house and only certain drugs.

I'd second that. In general it can be accepted that they might experiment with alcohol and pot around age fourteen, but make sure it's nothing too much until 16 or so. I mean you're their parent, you can set some boundaries and don't let them do cocaine or opiates or psychedelics unless you think they're really ready to experience such a thing. By being open and saying "when you leave my roof you can do whatever you want, but as long as I'm your provider you're not doing cocaine" or whatever.
 
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I'd second that. In general it can be accepted that they might experiment with alcohol and pot around age fourteen, but make sure it's nothing too much until 16 or so. I mean you're their parent, you can set some boundaries and don't let them do cocaine or opiates or psychedelics unless you think they're really ready to experience such a thing. By being open and saying "when you leave my roof you can do whatever you want, but as long as I'm your provider you're not doing cocaine" or whatever.
I can understand this, but at the same time if my kids wanted to try a certain drug I think they're pretty much going to regardless of what I say(much like I was/am), so dont you think it would be better to have your kids do it in front of you in the safety of your own house?
I firmly believe that only I am able to decide what drugs are right for me, and I would say the same for my own children. Now, obviously if my 3 year old son ran up to me sayng "daddy I wanna smoke crack today" I would say no, but I mean once they're of age(~16ish as you said)
 
Maybe its my age or something, but I disagree. You can call me a hypocrite or whatever, but I would never condone my kid doing drugs. After they move out of my house is a different story.

I want better for them than I ever did/had. Just because I do something doesn't mean it's ok. Sure I had friends growing up whose parents were "cool" and would let us drink and party at their house, but I always remember feeling sorry for the kids and thinking it was weird. My dad has smoked weed since he was 16 years old. I have NEVER seen this (although he did smoke with my ex husband a few times) and I am damn near 30. And I respect him for keeping this to himself and wanting better for his kids.

I guess I think of it like this. If my (hypothetical) 15 year old comes home smelling like weed or alcohol I'm definetly going to give a lecture about the effects and how important school is etc. Maybe she will lose driving privledges, something like that. (although driving under the influence will be a big NO NO) Anything harder than that and straight to rehab with the little shit. ;) Kids will experiment, no doubt about it. And I think that if my kid is getting good grades and is respectful and responsible, I would probably be less concerned as well.

But, I think allowing kids to do drugs in your home not only puts you at risk with other parents freaking out if they were to find out, but also in a way says to your kids that its ok, no big deal. It is to me. And a high schooler just isn't prepared or responsible enough to deal with the risks of taking drugs. When I think of all the stupid shit I did that should have killed me, it's scary. I was lucky, my kid might not be. I don't ever want that I said it was ok on my shoulders. There is a time and place for everything and high school isn't the time for hard drugs.
 
Most EXTREME Opiate WD

Tell me about ur most EXTREME opiate withdrawals.

I dont want to hear about quiting the tramadol or stopping a low dose of something.

This has to be a thread about HARDCORE cold turkey, no methadone or clonidine.

The sheer torture I had to endure coming off 10mg fentanyl/day you cannot BEGIN to imagine.

It is THE WORST HELL EVER.

That was 18 days ago now and I am still waking up at night in a pool of sweat.
 
^ Perhaps it is a bit of my conservative side, (if I even have one) but I would not wish the pain that addiction causes anyone, especially my children. If I knew they would use for the recreational value and then stop when it was over I suppose it would be ok. Unfortunately this is typically not the case with many drug users as the use gets out of control and escalates to a dangerous state of usage thus spiraling out of control and wrecking lives. People are people however and are going to do what they choose, but if I had the choice I don't suppose I would want them using.
 
I'll tell you about my own experience first & see how it compares with everybody elses.

Day 1: No noticeable difference in my behaviour.
Day 2: Woke up from very bizzare nightmares about people throwing me off large cliff faces and trying to drown me in piss contaminated water. I started crying uncontrollably upon awaking. I checked the clock and saw that I had only slept 2 hours that night. Although I had been smoking 20/day I found myself feeling very SICK at the thought of having anymore tobacco. I got alot of exercise at this point walking here and there. If you dont have any family around to support you, this is the windowframe of time you need to use to pick up supplies. You might not realize it yet, but u are gonna feel like u are close to DEATH in 24 hours time. I remember by the evening time I was complaining that my chest felt tight almost like an elephant man was sitting on me and I was struggling to breathe. I desperately wanted to go to the hospital to get some oxygen, but decided against the idea because I didnt want to use the emergency services unless I felt it was completely unavoidable. In the end we walked to the hospital then when we got there I said I didnt feel like raising the alarm bells and we never even walked through the entrance and turned our backs on the place.
Day 3: Hardly slept at all last night. 30 minutes at most. It was another nightmare, this time about somebody trying to asassinate me. Woke up feeling sick as a dog. Feel very bed ridden though and almost unable to move. I keep feeling very sick and although I am trying to sleep, I wake up vomitting. The vomitting gets progressively worse until I almost asphxyiate on my own vomit by the time it is evening. I have heard stories about people dying like this. I am puking up bile once my stomach contents has been regurgitated. This is EXTREME hardcore! Puking up bile is not like being sick normally. It is extremely PHYSICALLY TAXING on the body.
Day 4: Completely unable to eat/drink because I will be sick. Nil by mouth! Lay in bed the whole time in a tunnel of insomnia unable to move but unable to sleep. Lots of aches and pains. This looks quite offensive to write, but you will struggle to get out of the bed to use the toilet because you are too ill. You have been constipated for MONTHS, now when u think u need a fart u actually have diarrohea and will literally shit urself a little. This is very sick. I am also too sick to brush my teeth for a few days which is very bad.
Day 5: Same as day 4. No food, no drink, no movement and no sleep. Lots of pain though. I can manage to take a shower but its a struggle to brush my teeth. To a normal person, not brushing their teeth is borne out of lazyness. Acute opiate WD is FORCED lazyness to the extreme. You quite literally cant help urself.
Day 6: After approximately 5 days I can manage a litre of pineapple juice without being sick. My insides are completely screwed though. I can manage a shower here and brush my teeth after days of plaque build-up. My insides are full of air where there should be food. I can manage icecream but dont feel like "solid" food yet. I keep belching and farting like some sort of depraved sicko. It's horrendous and quite disguisting but I am making this graphic account so that people interested can know what it is actually like. I dont often feel ashamed of my actions but I was very apoligetic to my mother who had to nurse me through these bad times even though she has a full-time job to contend with.
Day 7: I think this is where the recovery STARTS even though I am NOWHERE NEAR rehabilitated yet. I can manage to eat even though I was sick after overeating. I think I can manage about an hours sleep at night after about FIVE DAYS without a single winks sleep. That sounds like a hardened meth binge but the difference is I was in bed the whole time. I wasnt burning thousands of calories per day. This is a point that I dont think is given any credit when people talk about withdrawal from opiates. Total sleep deprivation occuring during the WD (tail-end) stage of "downers" and not from the acute actions of 'stimulants'. I put my fingers in my ears and scrape out what seems to be piles of ear wax. I also notice that my facial pores have become quite 'pussy' because I have not been washing daily for about a week.

I still havent smoked anything since going cold turkey from the fentanyl (unable to comment on the effex of street heroin though) and plan on quitting PERMANENTLY. Strangely, I have not even had the desire to smoke yet. My brain does not crave tobacco which was what kept me hooked since before I didnt have the strength of willpower to successfully QUIT. Just locking a smoker up in a cell cannot compare to the DEVASTATING PUNISHMENT of abruptly halting an addicts fentanyl supply pipeline. After enduring so much torture already, taking more opiates is completely out of the question for me now. ^Think about what I have just written, who in their right mind would want to return to that?? but my problem with smoking is a demon that I will continue to fight. The battle is not over yet. I managed one month without a single drag back in 2004, but I wasnt yet a hardened smoker at that stage. I realize now that the longer I can go without so much as a drag of smoke the better. It's such a filthy habit that I dont want to go back to "experimenting" with tobacco.

Heil JanSSen!
 
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nothing too fancy.....

but a $50ish a day heroin habit....kicked cold turkey in jail. honestly it was one of my most psychically intensive/least mentally intensive withdrawals ever.

Once that cell door shut I knew i wasn't going to cop any dope. (unless bail was posted, which didn't happen...) Once that door shut the mental aspect of addiction was closed....for a solid 3 months.
I was sick as hell, 23 hours a day in a cell. 1 hour a day to walk around the block, which had no windows or doors. nothing to read, no tv to watch...absolutely nothing not even a fucking asprin. sick as hell, sweating balls 24/7 with no change of clothes.

it made me jealous for the days when i could kick heroin by staying up all night drinking booze and smoking cigs.

nothing compared to other's stories i'm sure. but once you come down off that last hit, see how cozy that cell is. i don't care what kinda opiate addiction u have, take ur worst story and have it take place in a cell then u know what i'm talkin about.....

and the high point in your story is when you get moved to a pod that has tv, and multiple bathrooms/showers....still not getting clean cuz u still got 2 more weeks to fully kick but at least you have modern conveniences...
 
i'd be so hardcore harm reduction, that doing drugs would seem about as cool as following directions.
thus turning my kids off of drugs allowing more money and drugs for myself.

honestly tho: i'd be pissed if my 12-15 year old was experimenting. those were my prime experimenting years for myself...but honesty it didn't work out too well for me. i think kids should be at least 15 before they start "experimenting" too hardcore. Even then they should have their parents dicksizing to the point where drug use is about as cool as "remember when an eighth of headies was only $25?" "OHHH i do honey...pack another pipe for pops"

short answer to the question:

I'd make drugs REALLY lame. so lame that my kid wouldn't even consider it....so long the kid had 3/4 it's mother's brain.
 
150mg methadone cold turkey and 4mg (tapered from 8mg over two weeks) alprazolam withdrawl.

Was using heroin occasionally but mostly xanax, methadone and crack heavilly when my room mate called my parents and snitched. They snatched me up, called my job and locked me in a room. Didn't sleep for about 7 days, bad diarrhea, manic psychosis (from xanax?), extreme tremors, bedridden from weakness in legs, hysterical crying fits, couldn't eat solids for 1 week+. I went from 130lbs to 110lbs because my parents were so disgusted with me they virtually ignored the fact that I was suffering. Became anemic and malnourished (was already borderline from the month long binge preceeding the detox). I was halucinating, writing insane manifestos on my labtop, barely making any sense.

I recovered after a month and a half and immediately started drinking every single day for almost 6 months. Didn't get straight until i copped another habit. Now I have a job, apartment, girlfriend... funny how shit works out as I lost all of those things due to getting clean in the first place.
 
Weighingin at 120 pounds after a 6 month crack binge I got locked up on a warrant i had gotten for a f.t.a. a long time ago. anyway i had been on 120 mg's of methadone everyday for 2 years at a clinic. anyway i snuck in 3 morphine 100's and they were gone within 2 days of my arrival to jail. my bail was $50k so needless to say no one was itching to pay to get me out. i spent 6 weeks in jail before i got a court date and got out on time served. Everyday of that six weeks was terrible. The W/D's didn't even start to go away until a month had gone by and even at 6 weeks i was still puking, shaking, not sleeping, eyes watering, yawning, etc. Point is the day i got out i had to go back to the clinic due to the fact that i have to stay on methadone as one of the terms of my probation. So now im back up to 95mg and hoping i never have to go through that again. All they give you in jail is pepto bismol, and asprin; big help huh. Now i hear that they have to give you a 30 day detox off methadone because too many people were falling off the top bunks from shaking and having seizures. Heroin can be kicked in about a week and the same goes for morphine, dilaudid, or any of the opiates/opioids i was using intraveinously. The pain is worse but at least it only lasts at most a week. With methadone it just seems like w/d's will never end.
 
BTW if you cant tell, in the "reason thread is closed" box, I am jokin. But threads like this are pointless it ends up bein a contest to have the "worst" which is just silly.... PLUS, there is already a thread that you can post in for this topic called "Worst opiate/oid to WD from", check it out :)
 
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what's your come up ?

When you have had no money for heroin or other drugs what was your hustle to come up with money ? I know people that have done all kinds of dumb stuff to get a fix.
 
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