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Liver Flush....is it crap?

Wow. Cleanses are not a joke. And are not for the weak. Once you commit to cleansing your body it becomes a lifestyle until you are purified. After I did the master cleanse I felt great. I felt more in tune with my body and could feel more of whats going on inside. I came to the conclusion I needed to do a liver cleanse. I passed 4-5 stones the size of mt thumb nail on my first liver cleanse. Now I am finishing up my second liver cleanse and I will let ya know how it goes.

BTW earlier when I said they are not for the weak I am very serious. If you cannot follow through and complete as many cleanses as it takes to fully purify yourself, you will feel worse than you did before you started. Also the Liver cleanse is a wickedly painful cleanse. The vomiting of the oil after stones are kicked out of place is very harsh and hard to escape the taste. But in the end you feel %100 better. Good luck to those who try.
 
This afternoon I passed about 9 stones so far the size of my thumbnail. I attached a pic of them with a cut in half q-tip for size reference. N/M I need to find a place to host it before I post it.
 
ODB said:
Convincing argument but most of the references he had listed actually promoted the liver flush. There are many flaws in his claims and the only reference that back up his side is a guy that is making assumptions on his supposed logic. So good job quack watch.
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Fair enough, I just find the view portrayed on quackwatch more logical than the flush theory. We're entitled to our own opinions :) The majority of his list of references should support the flush, he is arguing against them!

Wikipedia notes a study that could be a valuable read in favour of the flush however I don't have access to Pubmed: "The gallbladder flush may not be entirely worthless, however; there is one case report in which treatment with olive oil and lemon juice resulted in the passage of numerous gallstones, as demonstrated by ultrasound examination... In the case mentioned, ultrasound confirmed multiple gallstones, but after waiting months for a surgical option, the patient underwent a treatment with olive oil and lemon juice resulting in the passage of four 2.5–cm by 1.25–cm stones and twenty pea-sized stones. Two years later symptoms returned, and ultrasound showed a single large gallstone; the patient chose to have this removed surgically..." Savage AP, O'Brien T, Lamont PM (1992). "Adjuvant herbal treatment for gallstones". Br J Surg 79 (2): 168.

Here are some more links against it that I found interesting:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_268/ai_n15795429

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone

Remeber, like quackwatch, they're not reliable medical sources.

Edit: If you have gall stone symptoms please see a doctor and have an ultrascan regardless of whether you think the flush worked, for peace of mind, it can't hurt.
 
belarki said:
Fair enough, I just find the view portrayed on quackwatch more logical than the flush theory. We're entitled to our own opinions :) The majority of his list of references should support the flush, he is arguing against them!

Wikipedia notes a study that could be a valuable read in favour of the flush however I don't have access to Pubmed: "The gallbladder flush may not be entirely worthless, however; there is one case report in which treatment with olive oil and lemon juice resulted in the passage of numerous gallstones, as demonstrated by ultrasound examination... In the case mentioned, ultrasound confirmed multiple gallstones, but after waiting months for a surgical option, the patient underwent a treatment with olive oil and lemon juice resulting in the passage of four 2.5–cm by 1.25–cm stones and twenty pea-sized stones. Two years later symptoms returned, and ultrasound showed a single large gallstone; the patient chose to have this removed surgically..." Savage AP, O'Brien T, Lamont PM (1992). "Adjuvant herbal treatment for gallstones". Br J Surg 79 (2): 168.

Here are some more links against it that I found interesting:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_268/ai_n15795429

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#gallstone

Remeber, like quackwatch, they're not reliable medical sources.

Edit: If you have gall stone symptoms please see a doctor and have an ultrascan regardless of whether you think the flush worked, for peace of mind, it can't hurt.
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Thanks for actually taking the time to read and present a good argument for against the flush. Its better then 'you're crazy and here is my links to my opinion'. I can see the arguments side for the formation of soap stones, I had thought about this after my first flush. So on this flush I paid attention to everything that came out of me either end.

After I drank the oil and lemon juice mix I threw up most of what I consumed 4 hrs later. and when I had a bowel movement afterwards there was oil in the toilette. liquid oil lots of it on top of the water in the toilette boil. a few hrs later I passed far more stone product than the oil/lemon juice could possibly produce. First stones I have flushed where dark in color and the more I flush(last flush had all dark stones) the lighter in color they get. they are not as uniform as they would be if they all formed over night in the same spot using the same formation and then looking very different in color. I have had some very dark stones and some very light colored stones pass this time around.

So for me it seems legit. I feel way better after I do the flush and my health reflects it in my everyday life afterwards. This has worked for me and it real easy on the pocket book. Ultra sounds can get expensive. And most of the time the stone are not calcified enough to show up and get over looked. Although I am unsure if I can back up that last statement with fact because I would have to find a test that was done on a human subject and there isnt much available for human lab rats that is lawful. There is a test that did say a woman passed stones from the flush and that is the most fact based report listed.

So honestly I would say theres one scientific fact for the flush and none found so far that proves it does not work. That one fact is pretty convincing. Also could the returning stones be from the liver cleaning more cholesterol out of the blood stream and it accumulating like it did before?

Also I dont know about you but doctors remind me of auto mechanics.
 
Oh lord!
Whenever somebody brings up "Toxins" and "liver" at the same time, it means that they're trying to rip you off with an either expensive and possibly harmful procedure, such as colonics, or just an expensive and worthless procedure, like "Liver flushing".

The toxins are supposed to BE in the liver, because it's the livers job to clean the body, and no half-assed oliveoil concoction will "draw them out" somehow.
Your liver cleans the whole body, and is quite capable of cleaning itself (Just like the colon, amazingly enough) since it regenerates every two weeks on average.
 
BTW earlier when I said they are not for the weak I am very serious
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Indeed! It takes a certain constitution, for when you realize that you throw out good money at something utterly useless and unnecessary!
 
Heroinista said:
Oh lord!
Whenever somebody brings up "Toxins" and "liver" at the same time, it means that they're trying to rip you off with an either expensive and possibly harmful procedure, such as colonics, or just an expensive and worthless procedure, like "Liver flushing".

The toxins are supposed to BE in the liver, because it's the livers job to clean the body, and no half-assed oliveoil concoction will "draw them out" somehow.
Your liver cleans the whole body, and is quite capable of cleaning itself (Just like the colon, amazingly enough) since it regenerates every two weeks on average.
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Amen, any doctor worth their salt will laugh their ass off if you mention the words "toxins" but keep on spraying water up your ass if you think it helps. Most of the people who claim alternative medicine work already have a pre-existing beef with real medicine in the first place and I think the placebo works both ways, which is why they get no effects from their doctors. We can't really know without objective testing but most of it that has been done has been inconclusive or shown to be straight out bullshit.

Like the person that says they gave their child an ear candling which has been proven to be 100% bullshit. I have no doubt that the child was just picking up your vibes and that's why they got better.

At any rate if you ever catch cancer stay completely away from "the man" and see what your holistic buddies will be able to do for you. ;)
 
ODB said:
Thanks for actually taking the time to read and present a good argument for against the flush. Its better then 'you're crazy and here is my links to my opinion'. ... So for me it seems legit. I feel way better after I do the flush and my health reflects it in my everyday life afterwards.
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That's what's important. If some inexpensive oil and juice can do that for you then I suppose the effort is justified. Take care.
 
Ok. I see that all of you like to argue but none back up their claims. If you could post information with a link for reference then I would take you seriously but you dont and I think that you cannot.

Or do you just like to hide behind your computer and argue?
 
ODB said:
Ok. I see that all of you like to argue but none back up their claims. If you could post information with a link for reference then I would take you seriously but you dont and I think that you cannot.

Or do you just like to hide behind your computer and argue?
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If that was aimed at me, I was being serious, not sarcastic. If it worked for you and you genuinely feel better then I'm happy to hear it.
 
*bump* so this does not get lost :)

Well, I bought some snake oil... er, a 14 day "complete body cleanse". Just took all 8 PILLS (containing psyllium fiber of course, magnesium, marshmallow, slippery elm, fenugreek, artichoke, dandelion, and licorice.

I'll be eating... well, we shall see. I'll be passing... we shall see. I am doing this primarily to reduce cravings for alcohol. Of course, I just became ridiculously hungry. I'm going to the farmer's market tomorrow to stock up on veggies.

I'm already practically ready to knife someone for a pizza. :!
 
Gosh, the debate in this thread pissed me off so much lol.

I will not try and tell anyone about the benefits of liver flushing ever again because of this I think, grrrr. Oh well. All I know is that they work for me and make my health better and that's good enough for me.

Mariposa I think I am going to start a juice feast/cleanse thread soon if you're interested. You should consider juice feasting or smoothie feasting while doing your cleanse.
 
Oh lord!
Whenever somebody brings up "Toxins" and "liver" at the same time, it means that they're trying to rip you off with an either expensive and possibly harmful procedure, such as colonics, or just an expensive and worthless procedure, like "Liver flushing".

The toxins are supposed to BE in the liver, because it's the livers job to clean the body, and no half-assed oliveoil concoction will "draw them out" somehow.
Your liver cleans the whole body, and is quite capable of cleaning itself (Just like the colon, amazingly enough) since it regenerates every two weeks on average.
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No one is selling the liver flush. It's practically FREE. Expensive procedure? Its like.. 3 bucks or something for a grapefruit and some epsoms and maybe a couple bucks more for a 1/2 cup of olive oil. This is expensive? Also who is behind this conspiracy that is ripping the people off? Did the olive oil, espom salt and grapefruit industries all get together and come up with this grand plan?

If you don't think it works, fine, whatever. No one is forcing it on anyone else. It helped me, as I stated many times but it's clear no one reads my posts or cares about my opinion and that's fine too.

But the argument that this is some sort of scam created with the intentions of making someone money doesn't make ANY sense. No one is making money off this.
 
At any rate if you ever catch cancer stay completely away from "the man" and see what your holistic buddies will be able to do for you.
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Ever heard of Kris Carr? She's been managing her cancer for years by using alkalinizing diet and raw foods. She's a huge spokesperson for the raw food/vegan movement now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmjcKqXHJSM

She has a doctor who does her tests and scans and works with her on making sure her cancer is doing okay, but she didn't do chemo or anything like that. Her cancer was stage 4 when she was first diagnosed and she is not only alive but THRIVING now. Here is her website. She's basically my hero.

http://crazysexylife.com/

Lots of people manage cancer with holistic/dietary or other "alternative" means. I don't see why this is so hard to believe.

What KILLS me about this argument is that I was sick for so many years, even life threateningly so, and doctors were not able to help me. I didn't have pre existing bias toward doctors at ALL until they were UNABLE to help me, and I suffered for years and years and years like that. I don't hate all doctors or anything, thats not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, if you were in that position, and then alternative medicine came along and SAVED your life and turned everything around for you, how would you feel?

I can't possibly believe it's placebo effect, because there were so many things I tried that I thought and believed so strongly were going to work for me that didn't. The liver flush was one of the only cleanses that without a doubt changed my body and my level of health for the better.
 
You're so damn convincing. But I KNOW those cells die and are replaced really quickly in the body. I feel so conflicted.
 
A lot of people say things like the body doesn't need to be cleansed, it's naturally self cleaning, blah blah. And YES that is true, in a perfect world everyones body would be perfect and everyones organs would eliminate perfectly and no one would ever be constipated, overweight, depressed, or worse, get diseases like cancer or God knows what else.

But it's clearly not a perfect world. We live in a world where the food is filled with toxic chemicals and the air is polluted and half the water supply has fluoride in it and so on. I mean, only recently has the collective society started to wake up about things such as trans fat in foods and MSG, Aspartame, etc.

I'm more into juice/raw smoothie fasting than anything else these days, but I do plan on doing a routine liver flush soon. I got to the point where stones didn't come out anymore and I felt I didn't need them but I only do them once in awhile now. Haven't done one since last year sometime so it should be interesting.
 
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