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little advice would be nice

closeau said:
This is Opies thread so ill keep focus on him. I think a 60 day rehab would get that posion out of his system. I dont know what they teach in there but i hope he comes back refreshed and ready to rock
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Indeed.
I believe staying off and in a different environment for 60 days could really work. If you really want to do this, this is a great chance.
You'll be back quite healthy and you could do some therapy or go to meetings -- anything to keep yourself out of the game.
 
Since there are no more feedbacks from OP I presume he's managed to go -- hopefully.
 
He left. Made it home somehow. Not too sure about his use. Idk. Sounds like it was a pretty bad place. Thats all i know
 
Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully he can make it at home as he was planning to do initially. Too bad though..:\
 
I've done detox at home twice. First time I tapered in five days out of 250mg a day oxycodone habit and the other I cold turkeyd 200mg a day oxycodone habit along with tapering off from 8mg a day alprazolam use.

I had managed to get both times diazepam, blood pressure pills etc. from a dr who specializes in drug treatment as I had convinced him that I wouldn't want to wait for months to get in rehab while being on maintenance for the time I wait.

Anyhow I am quite sure that although I managed to combat against physiological withdrawals I didn't do anything for the psychiological aspects because as soon as I needed oxycodone again for pain I started using it recreationally too. It is too damn easy to say that I need more for my pain so I could use it recreationally and at the same time manage my pain. At some point I even managed to control my blood pressure by getting myself anxious when it was being tested so I could fake having high bp due pain.

Currently I've been tapering out of oxycodone and this time I'll do it slowly and while still this is done totally outpatient I am getting help from multiple professionals and support group as well. I am hopeful that because this time I'll be getting help for other aspects that just physiological withdrawals I'll manage better to stay clear from any recreational use.
 
I applaud you Mr Root. Thats a lot of Oxy to go cold turkey. I think the pyhcological withdrawl is almost as bad as physical. That burning in chest to use. I myself take pain meds to control chronic pain and 90% of time i do just that but im also an addict and if i find a reason to abuse, i will. Tons of people get meds for chronic pain and use recreationally. Its very diffucult for the providers to know what the truth is. For me its a very detailes drug test every month. I also could manipulate my bp back in day when i would go to ER for a "fix" Im so very happy youre coming down slowly and have professional help. I wish there was more of this. So many people right now are wanting to get clean and going thru wd and it proves to be too much. Support groups can be awful helpful to someone like you. I spent 10 yrs in one and it was very helpful at times. Thank you for sharing your situation and best of luck to you!!
 
Hey everyone.

yea I only made it like 10 ish hours at rehab. After they admitted me they just showed me my bed and that's it no counselor no one but other residents everyone had a jail mentality. I just sit/layed on my bed for hours till around 8 they called for Na meeting was shit no counselor lead it just ppl who been their while. Was like 40 ppl in room. I'm diagnosed severe social anxiety I told them this on arrival. I missed getting my meds and eating because no one told me no one showed me where anything was. So I decided fuck it. My wife wouldn't come get me so I walked a ways everything was closed so I couldn't call anyone. I sit in front of a closed store for while don't no how long. More than hour n luckily a guy came walking by he let me use his phone my wife wanted me go back but the guy talked to her n said he was a recovering heroin addict and he could tell I wanted quit long story he gave her his address then we walked his house he was crazy but nice. Around 2 he was getting sleepy so I told him I'd wait on porch so he could sleep he didn't want me to but I did I thanked him then sit on his porch forever till my wife got their we made it home around 5 am.

i still haven't done oxy just got more sub and am doing a tapper tomorrow should be my last day hopefully I tapered enough I can handle wd. Had few chances to use but didn't don't no how long I can make it tho but I've never been more determined

thanks everyone latter
 
I'm sorry to hear it did not work out as you had expected. I hope things do work out for you FatCatOpie.
You know what you want and are determined to try.
I guess it's now up to you and your willingness to see how far you go. I think you can do this!
I wish you the best of luck. If you have cravings work your way around it, write to us and hopefully you can make it through these first days.
 
That is how a lot of detoxes and rehabs are. There really should be a standard that they are held to.

Whatever you do, do not use. If what you are trying doesn't work then try something else. The end result will be good.
 
Just hang in there. You'll get eventually better after few days which although may be somewhat hellish you still will feel better after.

Is there anything you can get your brains into? Something like sudokus, crosswords, playing chess or whatever suits you gets your brains somewhat exercercised. Maybe try something new like poetry or get a model kit of your favorite car and start doing it.

For me it has always helped that I could do something with my hands while withdrawals are on or when I am tapering.

Did these on the week when I cut oxynorms out of my daily schedule:
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Now I have been painting these little fellas:
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And I have started to finish up those I started to paint while cutting the oxynorms:
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Last time I quitted cold turkey I ended up building and painting something that won me a painting contest:
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^ Excellent if you could get a hobby.
I agree, use this opportunity to keep not using it. At all costs. Don't doubt of yourself.
It may be difficult in the beginning but you can do this!
Good luck!
E.
 
I think meditation is a good way to go. Its a far cry from the lifestyle you been living but as they say if nothing changes, nothing changes. Im trained in vippassana meditation and although everybody practices it the style i usr is Buddhist. Its very simple. It will calm you and lower bp for starters. As you progress into deeper concentration you start to realize things and running around to get pils will be one of them. I started at a local meditation group and by myself and ended up going to retreats and even one in a monastary which was awesome. My alcoholism was raging and one night i almost hurt my little sister. I was so distraught and my other sister gave me a book by the Dali Lama and i was hooked so i researched everything i could and read tons of books and for a year and half i didnt touch a drink or drug or cig or anything. Theres 5 precepts or rules to become a Buddhist and. Followed them. 5 is no indulgence in intoxicants. But the thing is, once you start getting deeer into meditation you feel high. Buddha taught everything changes so ultimaty that will go away but man its a groovy feeling. You will start to act more moral and treat people well. Its awesome.

One story, i was at the monastary and we began meditation. Huge statue of Buddha and monks everywhere and at home i could sit for hr and half nobprob but 5 min after we started my knee cramped up. Moving to get more comfy defeats the purpose but it reay hurt but didnt wanna move in front of monks and serious meditators. So theres actech called sitting thru the pain cause it will change like everything. I sat there in agony for 30 min then i could feel the pain break up part by part then i fell into deep concentration and i was high as a kite!! Im not trying to entice you by saying youll get high but if you have a quiet place get a cushion and sit cross legged and sit up straight and breathe normaly then start to concentrate on the breath hitting your nostrils. Just on that. When your mind wanders, and it will bring it back to the breath. That simple.

I figured you might not be interested but i thought id throw it out there. My life went apeshit and i stpped practicing and you know the rest but i still read my books and talked to my meditation teacher the other day. I was supposed to go back to that monastary to start the 2 year rocess of becoming a monk. I still would but my health and i have a kid to take care of. Ityll be hard going from opiate high to meditation but worth it. If youre gonna stay clean something different needs to happen. If things are left as they are you can get thru some time but youre gonna have a bad day and go cop. .You know what i mean bro. Just suggesting something that worked for me. I often think the turmoil in my life is cause i dont sit. It brings peace. Its never qquiet here and bc of my clots i cant sit right but i have that solved. My teacher invited me out tovhis new center. Im gonna g and theres lots of groups here. I gotta try something too. You know my situation. Anyway, at least give it a thought. Ill PM you in a bit. Lata
 
Kudos for you if you can make it all through meditation. I think it has always been very difficult for me and others that have tried it at work.
Those who succeed are more focused and somehow more calm in difficult situations.
I'm still trying but I guess I think too much.
 
Thanks guys

It helps me a lot having you all here for me. Last two days have been ruff been depressed I guess like not caring about anything and just bleh. But today I feel better today done 1 mg of sub and this should be my last day on it. Hopefully I tapered good enough to avoid most of wd. But if it's to bad I'll do .5 mg for day or so then .25 if I need to. Wanted try Kratom to help tapper down more but it's illegal here checked around one site gave me a shipping estimate but didn't mention couldn't ship here but idk about it.

Today will be the sixth day with no oxy pretty happy about that. Mr root those look awesome. And mike I think I'll look into that as well. I ve been trying do different stuff I tillered a spot in my back yard going start a garden. I used to have a garden every year last one I had was 3 acre big. But I quit doing that when I started staying high all the time. I love it so I'm getting back into it. Wish I didn't sell my tractor tho can't do a big one now. But I'm making a goal to save money and get one next year. You can make a lot of cash from a garden. And I'm going start scraping metal again taking apart old appliances and such to get copper something else I quit when I was high all the time. But sold my tuck and trailer long ago lol. Never thought my goals would be to get back to how I used to be. But when I do get their I'm going to enjoy it so much more looking back thing was a lot better not perfect but I had good times without a substance . Crazy best times of my life when I was 16-17 before being an alcoholic and drugs got to big a grip on me.

I feel like the prime of my life was when I was 16/17 it's always bothered me, but now I'm goin take it back. I've only really wanted use once in last six days tha rehab n wife problems sucked but help me not want go back. I'm worried cause deep down I think I can get clean and still use sometimes but that feeling gets smaller n smaller more things I do and set goals for. Sorry for the ramble just helps talking you guys I want to make a big zen garden in my yard to lol.

Anyways thanks a million and for the hobby ideas both got me interested in them. Any more tips would be appreciated.
 
Glad you feel better. I know that depressed feeling cause i have it right now cause of wd. The garden thing is cool. Zen is tough. They hit you hard with a stick during meditation to stay alert. Hobbies are good. Mine is music. Its my passion. My goal is tovorganize all these songs ive written and make a demo. If i can do that i succeed. I played some guitar today but just so ugh. One more song for my future wife. I need eqip but cant afford it but studios are expensive too. One down the road is 2500$ hr. Im gonna need players to back me which could be tough for the blues and rock segmant and i have two rap songs ill end with. Id be so much better at guitar if i wasnt preoccupied with alcohol then drugs. But im good enough to hold my own. Anyway, glad you feel better and PM me about that kratom.
 
Sometimes the emotional feelings are worse than the withdrawals IMO.
Have your hobbies, exercise yourself and know that time will make you feel better!
Good luck!
 
I can honestly say that the physical symptoms of withdrawal are not nearly as bad as the mental symptoms. The physical makes you feel like death, the mental makes you wish you were dead.
[MENTION=89223]Opie[/MENTION]. I garden as well. I am waiting to get my hep c cured so I cannot work right now (1. because I get really worn out do to the symptoms of hep c, 2. I lose my insurance if I show an income). It is very frustrating for me because I have had a job since age eleven. Right now, I have a nice vegetable garden in the back, and very beautiful flower garden in the front. It is most definitely a good thing for me. Whenever my anxiety gets really bad, or I feel depressed I just go out there and do some weeding, or just walk around in it. It brings my focus back to things not being so bad.
 
Good luck with your treatment for hep C. 15 years ago the treatment was like hell as you'd have to make the treatment for one year with only 68% of being cured. And even if you didn't succeed you'd still have to finish the 52 weeks - interferon and ribavirin every other day.

Anyways.. if you are used to work I think it will be good to be active again. For me it's a very good motivational therapy.
 
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