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Lithium and recreational drug interactions?

ahint

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So, my doctor has suggested I go on Lithium and I've decided to go away and think about it before accepting the offer. I'm trying to find out its interactions with various recreational drugs (I mainly use LSD, ketamine and MDMA maybe once a year), but so far I've come up with nothing after googling and searching Bluelight. Does anyone know what it interacts with, please? I'm sorry if the information is incredibly easy to find and I've just been overlooking it!

(Also, I'm aware that people may advise against doing drugs whilst having mental issues, which is mainly what I've come across whilst searching, but that's not what I'm asking about here.)

Thank-you if you know anything!
 
Yeah, but I know what impact different drugs seem to have on my mental health and I avoid those that have a negative effect, so I'm not really worried about that side of it.
 
I have known people who were prescribed Lithium, and the worst thing about it is that it levels the moods - not necessarily by lifting you while depressed, but by removing the manic part. Many people needless to say greatly enjoy the manic episodes, no matter how destructive, it's great to feel high instead of dismally, drearily low. AS a result, many, many stop taking Lithium so as to enjoy the manic episodes, and find being regulated and stifled by the stuff dull and deadly boring. AFAIK, Lithium doesn't have any particularly dangerous interactions with other drugs - apart from ruining the fun of then I expect. I was once offered Lithium myself, though I only suffer boring, anergic depression, without the pleasurable excitement of getting manic - I politely declined.
 
I've been trying to look into it as best I can (there doesn't seem to be much information out there), and I've found it's very dangerous with LSD but that's all I've found. I actually loathe my manic episodes more than my depression and I'm optimistic to try something that might level them both out. I'm working with my doctor on it and trust and respect him greatly.
 
I understand there, ahint! I have had several friends cursed with that terrible, sometimes dangerously destructive malady, and would wish it on nobody. My grumbly comments about it 'not being fair that I just suffer the lows' and never have the 'pleasure' of a manic episode were really made in poor jest - when I recall some of the dreadful thing which happened to a dear friend, it makes my toes curl even now. Seeing snakes slithering up the road and screaming with terror, ending up being rescued by the Salvation Army early one Sunday morning, might of been amusing for some who saw it, but the ghastly horror and humiliation of such experiences gradually, steadily, remorselessly drove even his closest friends away, and his wife. I stuck by him, no matter how exasperating, as I loved the guy and realised what awful trouble he was in. Did my very best to help, but had to watch in dismay as his (rather nice, at one time) life slowly went down the pan, and there was nothing I could really do - only talk, talk and talk.... which just went in one ear and out the other.

He was called Simon... then became 'Simple Simon', then 'Silly Simon' as he was barred from local pubs and became regarded with dread rather than amusement. He was such good, generous company when 'in balance', but those times became fewer and fewer I afraid. In the end it was 'Sad Simon', who ended up in rehab - where he most unfortunately met some most dodgy new friends and aquainances, who effectively bled him dry and cruelly abused his good nature. This is a cautionary tale for you perhaps, though I'm glad to hear you seem to be pretty sensible and 'positive'.... forget my comments about Lithium please, it might do you a great deal of good... what might (ot does) suit ME personally is quite another matter!


I'm quite sure that LSD won't help, remebering poor Simon, he often seemed to be having a terribly bad trip without taking anything at all! The saddest thing of all was that he turned to coke, then crack (fine when grimly depressed, but utterly disastrous when manic!). He was absolutely obsessed with the stuff... but far, far worse, he began taking Heroin to 'take the edge off' (which of course it does, high or low), and became rapidly, hopelessly addicted. He went into rehab for drink, and I suspect he never ever told them about his drug habits - I really don't know? He lived over the road, and when nobody had seen him for a while, and more alarmingly, hadn't heard him on the phone or responded to texts, I thought I'd better go and make sure he was okay (had a spare key,'just in case'). I'm sad to report that the last time I ever saw him was lying on his bed in an advanced state of decomposition... the cops were suspicious and so was I, but he'd simply overdosed on smack. Probably thought he 'deserved a treat', knowing Simon. Two PM's - 'inconclusive', till the tox reports came in months later... then a shroud (NPI!) or secrecy to protect his poor family.


So, whatever happens, however tempting and lovely, please, please don't ever be tempted to go down that road Ahint - the most dangerous, fatal thing about ir is that such drugs will of course temporarily provide relief - but will undoubtedly lead to enormous trouble, misery and probably death. You sound very sensible, find a good doctor, who knows their stuff I reckon, and you will find relief, I'm sure! Didn't mean to depress or frighten you with that tale, just (yet another - groan!) cautionary tale. The very best of luck to you, my love and best wishes!
 
I understand you're trying to be helpful and I genuinely appreciate it, but I'm really only asking which drugs lithium reacts physically dangerously with. I'm not interested in advice about which drugs I shouldn't do. I'm mentally ill but not irresponsible.
 
Careful mixing with fent, trams, etc. and also any drug that acts on your CNS, as lithium reacts on your CNS, too.

Don't mix with any drugs that can raise your liver enzymes. Lithium can raise your enzymes on it's on.

As someone who has spent 18+ yrs in healthcare, I find lithium to be a "dirty" drug. Only because I've seen this drug make manic episodes worse in some patients, liver issues, etc. That's just my personal opinion. If you choose to take it, please don't miss your appointments and keep up on your bloodwork.
 
I've been trying to look into it as best I can (there doesn't seem to be much information out there), and I've found it's very dangerous with LSD but that's all I've found. I actually loathe my manic episodes more than my depression and I'm optimistic to try something that might level them both out. I'm working with my doctor on it and trust and respect him greatly.

^This. They sound great in theory, but I've only had the "blissfully happy" manic state a handful of times. Usually it's more like "wildly angry and not all that rational" and then two days later you can't get out of bed or stop crying.

The main thing you need to avoid on Lithium is actually alcohol, because they can fuck up your liver really quickly if you take them together.
 
Sorry ahint - I appreciate that you are *very* responsible indeed, or you'd not be asking such a question! I came across this site, which should help...

http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/lithium-index.html?filter=3&generic_only
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Not very good news I'm afraid, I had no idea? Hope it doesn't put you off. I also realise that you probably have more than enough to worry about, without my cautionary tales, or patronising advice. I only wish that Simon had had a tiny fraction of your common sense. The very best of luck, and I sincerely hope everything works out. :\
 
Thanks for all the information! Am I right in thinking pretty much no recreational drug is safe with lithium?
 
I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet, but mixing Li2CO3 (lithium carbonate) with LSD is a big no-no, unless you want to trip harder than you ever have before in your life. Lithium sucks by the way: It completely blunts all positive emotions.
 
I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet, but mixing Li2CO3 (lithium carbonate) with LSD is a big no-no, unless you want to trip harder than you ever have before in your life. Lithium sucks by the way: It completely blunts all positive emotions.

I actually mentioned it a few posts ago (that it was dangerous), but I didn't know exactly why, so thanks for the information. And I trust my doctor, if I don't like lithium, I can switch medication. I'm optimistic to at least try it.
 
I actually mentioned it a few posts ago (that it was dangerous), but I didn't know exactly why, so thanks for the information. And I trust my doctor, if I don't like lithium, I can switch medication. I'm optimistic to at least try it.

Good attitude. :) Always be cautious of people telling you that you'll "feel nothing" on any particular medication for bipolar. Emotional blunting is definitely a thing, but I'm sure you're away that the point bipolar people are starting from is "enormous emotions too big to fit in our heads". Sometimes a little emotional blunting can be a relief.

Let us know how it goes. I've never tried lithium, but I have some friends who've had great experiences with it.
 
I'm afraid it does look that way ahint, I've never ssen such a huge list of conta indicated drugs! One thing which might cheer you up is that I saw no mention of amphetamines? Even so, with such a massive list, I would be very wary of any RC's or 'designer' things, it only seems to mention pharmaceutical brand names and 'proper' drugs. Sorry to be the bearer of ill tidings...
 
Good attitude. :) Always be cautious of people telling you that you'll "feel nothing" on any particular medication for bipolar. Emotional blunting is definitely a thing, but I'm sure you're away that the point bipolar people are starting from is "enormous emotions too big to fit in our heads". Sometimes a little emotional blunting can be a relief.

Let us know how it goes. I've never tried lithium, but I have some friends who've had great experiences with it.

Yeah, I'm really happy with this doctor, he says if I've any concerns and I want off it he'll still work with me and just put me on something else, he won't sort of resent me and not put his all into treatment if I stop a drug he thinks is working well because of a side effect he personally wouldn't mind. He says it's a sort of luck thing, that a med out there will work but it might not be the first one (I've only just been diagnosed) so it might be the first or the sixteenth, it's about sticking at it and seeing which one (or which combination) is the good one. I'm hoping lithium will be the drug for me but I'm not letting myself be too optimistic, I might be in the switching medication game for the long haul.

I'm afraid it does look that way ahint, I've never ssen such a huge list of conta indicated drugs! One thing which might cheer you up is that I saw no mention of amphetamines? Even so, with such a massive list, I would be very wary of any RC's or 'designer' things, it only seems to mention pharmaceutical brand names and 'proper' drugs. Sorry to be the bearer of ill tidings...

Ahh well, time to give up drugs and take up meditation. I'll keep trying to search to see if there's anything that's safe with lithium, but it seems to be weirdly hard to find information (compared with most antidepressants, which I've found a tonne of interaction information on).
 
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