lisdexamfetamine (Vyvanse) for schizophrenia

[forum poster]

Not knowing ANYTHING about this drug or its actions helping schizophrenia... I might guess that it helps in the same way that amphetamines help people with ADHD. The last thing I would think a hyperactive kid needs is an amphetamine.

fuckin pharmaceutical industry. Every doctor obviously wants to get your kid on the shit, at an early age like 4-5 so they will need it their entire lives. Sure a low dose is effective in teenagers, but I've been on the medication and when I go to the doc there's always 4-5 year olds getting the shit, which is ridiculous. they're fucking kids, of course they have ADHD

 

[Lolie]

fuckin pharmaceutical industry. Every doctor obviously wants to get your kid on the shit, at an early age like 4-5 so they will need it their entire lives. Sure a low dose is effective in teenagers, but I've been on the medication and when I go to the doc there's always 4-5 year olds getting the shit, which is ridiculous. they're fucking kids, of course they have ADHD

In my experience a lot of the blame for this can be placed on schools. Apparently teachers these days are unable to cope with the normal energy, enthusiasm and impulsiveness of children (my daughter just fought this battle with my grandson's school) and it's a hell of a lot easier to push parents to medicate them than it is to employ other behaviour management strategies.

 

[forum poster]

In my experience a lot of the blame for this can be placed on schools. Apparently teachers these days are unable to cope with the normal energy, enthusiasm and impulsiveness of children (my daughter just fought this battle with my grandson's school) and it's a hell of a lot easier to push parents to medicate them than it is to employ other behaviour management strategies.

Oh yea, definately. They did the same bullshit to me because I would talk too much in class. I was just a little kid, little kids like to talk... But how many of these foreign "shrinks" you think give two shits about the patient as long as A) their making money & B)They're not getting in any trouble for over-prescribing meds.

The real people to blame is big pharmaceutical and the FDA for allowing these meds to be prescribed to children under 12. They're supposed to draw the line...

 

[Lolie]

^^^

To be honest I think that parents are often far too willing to go along with their children being medicated because they just want to sit down and chill out at the end of a working day and not have to deal with kids bouncing around. And as with all drugs, not a lot of people realise that the trials on which approval (or off-label use) is based are often small and of very short duration.

A generation ago kids would have been wound down by the time dad got home from work because they'd have been outside burning off energy after school. In many modern families where both parents work full-time there's no real time allocated during which kids can just be kids and exhaust themselves playing.

 

[pofacedhoe]

^^^

In many modern families where both parents work full-time there's no real time allocated during which kids can just be kids and exhaust themselves playing.

which is why american kids are the fattest- it all makes sense now lol

oh no dont excercise them, give them speed instead (the logical choice)

I've been addicted to amphetamines and they do some real bad shit to your brain, whether you have add or not. there will come a day when you dont have speed how well do you function without it after having it daily for years?

 

[tamtoot]

these part of an amercian pharmacology would always intrigue me - how did they have so many "legal" speed addicts ? Amphetamine is by no means an addictive substance and chronic exposure to even therapeutic doses might be very har,ful for your consicousness. I'm not talking abot brain, receptors,and so on.
The consiouscness is wasted !

 

[debaser]

Here amphetamines are non existent, be it for ADHD patients or for obese people. It's a typically american drug, I'm stunned when I see people on this board prescribed amps, and there's an array of different amps too.

 

[melange]

these part of an amercian pharmacology would always intrigue me - how did they have so many "legal" speed addicts ? Amphetamine is by no means an addictive substance and chronic exposure to even therapeutic doses might be very har,ful for your consicousness. I'm not talking abot brain, receptors,and so on.
The consiouscness is wasted !

this is news to me

 

[melange]

fuckin pharmaceutical industry. Every doctor obviously wants to get your kid on the shit, at an early age like 4-5 so they will need it their entire lives. Sure a low dose is effective in teenagers, but I've been on the medication and when I go to the doc there's always 4-5 year olds getting the shit, which is ridiculous. they're fucking kids, of course they have ADHD

they will give pre-schoolers fucking AMP/METHAMPHETAMINE and hand out samples of psychotropics with blackbox warning labels like they are candy, but god forbid give someone some codeine

 

[Wizzle]

It's frustrating how every discussion concerning adhd-meds derails like this. I thought this was an interesting topic.

 

[Lolie]

It's frustrating how every discussion concerning adhd-meds derails like this. I thought this was an interesting topic.

That amphetamines have come to be regarded only as ADHD meds is interesting in itself. It's kind of curious that they're regarded as being way too dangerous to be used therapeutically for other conditions but that those dangers are considered acceptable when treating ADHD (the original efficacy trials for ADHD were extremely short and there's really no evidence supporting the assertion that amphetamines are somehow magically lose their inherent properties when used for one single condition).

As non-abusable amphetamine formulations are developed for ADHD, it should logically be time to review whether a return to using them for other conditions is now warranted. A lot of newer psychoactive drugs have turned out to be no more effective or no less harmful than those they replaced - they're just more expensive than their predecessors so there's a huge profit motive for talking up their benefits and downplaying their risks - but amphetamines are the one class of drugs I can think of where their risks are considered acceptable for children but not for adults.

 

[pofacedhoe]

but amphetamines are the one class of drugs I can think of where their risks are considered acceptable for children but not for adults.

probably cos a parent controls the childs dose, not the child.

someone else can be trusted to give you speed but you cant be trusted yourself, fiend!

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

they will give pre-schoolers fucking AMP/METHAMPHETAMINE and hand out samples of psychotropics with blackbox warning labels like they are candy, but god forbid give someone some codeine

Agreed. Why are you feeding your kids stuff that is known to cause sudden cardiac death and psychosis. They do even know what it is doing to them. Getting your kids spun to make you happy. DAMN SHAME.



Why in gods name is euphoria considered a side effect. Doesn't euphoria lead to a lesser frustration with life? Especially with people who can't concentrate?
The euphoric ability of speed is the main part of the productiveness I get when I dose small for that reason.

 

[cashmunny]

There are different subtypes of schizophrenia which most likely are completely different disorders. Catatonic schizophrenia for example would be one subtype I could see being helped by a drug like Vyvanse. Paranoid subtype...NOT!

Seriously, what psychiatrists don't know about the disorders they diagnose every day could fill volumes.

 

[bben]

A large dose of MDA brought out schizophrenia in me, I have only negative symptoms as the positive have passed over 3 years.

I have disorganized/catatonic type (it is hell)

Dextroamphetamine is one of the only things that helps me, it basically wakes me up from a coma.

Abilify also helps and so does modinafil and nicotine.

My personal favorite combo is for my negative symptoms is dextroamphetamine,morphine, and nicotine.

Nicotine increases mesolimbic dopamine yet paradoxically helps psychosis and positive symtoms. typical Antipsychotics dont help me AT ALL. Amphetamine DOES. Nicotine DOES.

 

[ektamine]

Not knowing ANYTHING about this drug or its actions helping schizophrenia... I might guess that it helps in the same way that amphetamines help people with ADHD. The last thing I would think a hyperactive kid needs is an amphetamine.

A bit strange, innit?

I always felt like amphetamine use was on the verge of giving me schizophrenia.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

A bit strange, innit?

I always felt like amphetamine use was on the verge of giving me schizophrenia.

No shit. Only time I flipped out was on a bit of a binge on meth, not a heavy user of uppers, I suffer from insomnia.

I walked outside with a loaded 30-30 riffle because I thought I saw a shadow in my car. So fucking convinced I called the cops. They just kept asking me if I had taken anything, I kept saying no, they left. Lucky.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

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Originally Posted by ektamine
A bit strange, innit?

I always felt like amphetamine use was on the verge of giving me schizophrenia.

Yeah, after three days of not sleeping, amphetamine psychosis nearly mimics the DSM-IV diagnosis for schizophrenia. I'm interested to see where the pharm companies go with this one.

 

[ektamine]

Yeah, after three days of not sleeping, amphetamine psychosis nearly mimics the DSM-IV diagnosis for schizophrenia. I'm interested to see where the pharm companies go with this one.

I'm not schizophrenic so I can't say for certain, but honestly I suspect they are just trying to find one more label use to stamp on amphetamines in order to addict the masses and profit from the outcome. Just like prescribing it to any young child that still has the young child left in him.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Most likely. It would be interesting to see if it was scripted for schizophrenia, if it indeed gets past testing/approval. Saying that made me wonder if doctors are already scripting it for that sort of thing.

Since they're certainly scripting it for off-label use.