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Liquid Hydromorphone

Putting stuff up your ass is not weird, I perfer this method because I dont wanna stick myself with a needle. Get over it, your not gay if you put drugs in your ass :) Only dicks :P
 
I personally would IV, but I understand that not everybody is willing to go the needle route for a high. Plugging hydromorphone would be the next best ROA. Hydromorphone is a decent opiate, even when IV'd. It's got a spectacular rush, but nothing special beyond that.

The best opiates IV'd are morphine/heroin - I like morphine diacetate (heroin - an ester salt of morphine and a morphine prodrug) over morphine sulfate because it's a morphine prodrug which delivers the morphine across the BBB quicker than morphine sulfate.

The next best are all the other ester salts of morphine - morphine hydrochloride, morphine dinicotinate (nicomorphine), morphine tartrate, etc.
 
Whoops, I didn't mean to type that twice. I'm aware that putting things up your ass doesn't mean your gay, I'm just uncomfortable doing it.

And for hydromorphone, I think IV'd it gives the most "powerful" rush out of all the opiates, but I think Heroin gives the "best" rush if that makes any sense. The rush from Hydromorphone is so quick lived. Heroin continues to go on for about 4-6 hours, well at least that is how long it goes before I need to shoot up again (when I was hooked).
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Whoops, I didn't mean to type that twice. I'm aware that putting things up your ass doesn't mean your gay, I'm just uncomfortable doing it.

And for hydromorphone, I think IV'd it gives the most "powerful" rush out of all the opiates, but I think Heroin gives the "best" rush if that makes any sense. The rush from Hydromorphone is so quick lived. Heroin continues to go on for about 4-6 hours, well at least that is how long it goes before I need to shoot up again (when I was hooked).
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Hydromorphone provides the most "intense" rush, period. After that, there's nothing though. No legs, no serious high. But this is the way hydromorphone was designed to be from the start. The same goes for oxycodone, hydrocodone, and oxymorphone. They were improvements on morphine and it's salts. Morphine and all of its salts had a very intense side effect profile - constipation, histamine-related effects, euphoria, sedation, respiratory depression, higher dependence liability, everything was amplified. Those drugs above were an improvement as their side effect profiles were much less severe.

With heroin, the high provided by morphine is the best of all opiates. Morphine and all it's ester salts provide the best high - morphine diacetate - an ester salt and morphine prodrug is one example. You got plenty other morphine ester salts and prodrugs similar to heroin. Morphine diacetate isn't alone. Nicomorphine is also an ester salt of morphine - morphine dinicotinate.
 
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kokaino said:
Morphine and all it's ester salts provide the best high
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^i had a friend in the hospital who was quite disappointed when they "downgraded" (his word) his pain med from IV hydro to IV morphine. he did not comprehend it when she told him the shot would was slightly different medicine, and he was yelling at her to come back because he wanted "the other stuff."

also, there seem to be quite a bit a people on here who say they prefer IV opana over dope. i would say less than people who say they prefer dope, but my point is they exist.
 
OK just so I got the process right.....I need to fill the syringe with liquid hydromorphone and the rest with water. Then I just lay on my side and plug it all?
 
not a lot of water. you already have 2 mL of liquid. i wouldn't add more than another 2 mL of water, if any.
 
hydroazuanacaine said:
^i had a friend in the hospital who was quite disappointed when they "downgraded" (his word) his pain med from IV hydro to IV morphine. he did not comprehend it when she told him the shot would was slightly different medicine, and he was yelling at her to come back because he wanted "the other stuff."

also, there seem to be quite a bit a people on here who say they prefer IV opana over dope. i would say less than people who say they prefer dope, but my point is they exist.
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Your friend is the exception, not the rule. Double-blind studies have shown that morphine sulfate and morphine diacetate ("heroin") are preferred over any other opioid which they were compared to - in one study they were compared to hydromorphone, oxycodone, fentanyl, and meperidine/pethidine. This is usually the case, anyway.

The thing with hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone is that they were made to be improvements on what they had - which was only morphine and it's salts, so basically all they had was morphine in different forms like morphine diacetate (heroin - a quicker acting form of morphine), nicomorphine (which is morphine dinicotinate), morphine hydrochloride, morphine hydrobromide, morphine sulfate, and a number of other morphine salts and morphine prodrugs.

Hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone were improvements because they had a milder side effect profile than morphine sulfate and all the other salts and morphine prodrugs at equianalgesic doses. They produced less respiratory depression, less nausea and vomiting, less histamine-related effects, constipation, sedation, euphoria, and effects across the board were less intense. They were "cleaner" drugs that had lesser dependence liability due to the fact that their side effect profile was less intense at equianalgesic doses.
 
kokaino said:
Your friend is the exception, not the rule. Double-blind studies have shown that morphine sulfate and morphine diacetate ("heroin") are preferred over any other opioid which they were compared to - in one study they were compared to hydromorphone, oxycodone, fentanyl, and meperidine/pethidine. This is usually the case, anyway.

The thing with hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone is that they were made to be improvements on what they had - which was only morphine and it's salts, so basically all they had was morphine in different forms like morphine diacetate (heroin - a quicker acting form of morphine), nicomorphine (which is morphine dinicotinate), morphine hydrochloride, morphine hydrobromide, morphine sulfate, and a number of other morphine salts and morphine prodrugs.

Hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone were improvements because they had a milder side effect profile than morphine sulfate and all the other salts and morphine prodrugs at equianalgesic doses. They produced less respiratory depression, less nausea and vomiting, less histamine-related effects, constipation, sedation, euphoria, and effects across the board were less intense. They were "cleaner" drugs that had lesser dependence liability due to the fact that their side effect profile was less intense at equianalgesic doses.
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great post^^ lots of good info
 
kokaino said:
Your friend is the exception, not the rule. Double-blind studies have shown that morphine sulfate and morphine diacetate ("heroin") are preferred over any other opioid which they were compared to - in one study they were compared to hydromorphone, oxycodone, fentanyl, and meperidine/pethidine. This is usually the case, anyway.

The thing with hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone is that they were made to be improvements on what they had - which was only morphine and it's salts, so basically all they had was morphine in different forms like morphine diacetate (heroin - a quicker acting form of morphine), nicomorphine (which is morphine dinicotinate), morphine hydrochloride, morphine hydrobromide, morphine sulfate, and a number of other morphine salts and morphine prodrugs.

Hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, and oxymorphone were improvements because they had a milder side effect profile than morphine sulfate and all the other salts and morphine prodrugs at equianalgesic doses. They produced less respiratory depression, less nausea and vomiting, less histamine-related effects, constipation, sedation, euphoria, and effects across the board were less intense. They were "cleaner" drugs that had lesser dependence liability due to the fact that their side effect profile was less intense at equianalgesic doses.
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Oxymorphone is a great opiate but I think I prefer heroin over any other narcotic pain medication. All have their own special qualities, some more sedating or stimulating than others. Levorphanol is one of my favorites because it lasts so incredibly long. I've only had the chance to go through one prescription bottle in my life but I really enjoyed those 4 or 5 days that I had it.
 
kokaino, you are a smart guy but you think psychopharmacology is too black&white and you think you can know things for fact that you don't.

that double blind study doesn't prove what you want it to, because the majority of those users started on dope, got addicted to dope, and not surprisingly still prefer dope--which i can almost assure you is addressed in the "conclusion" of the article (abstracts don't cut it). one of many mitigating factors.

also, you can find plenty of studies that show that addicts can't differentiate between blind doses of IV diacetyl, hydromorphone, oxymorphone, and morphine. again, doesn't prove anything any which way, only makes suggestions. and in this case, not even strong suggestions.

i mean shit, heroin was designed to be a lower side-effect, less euphoric version of morphine. at first, the med journals confirmed. doesn't make it the case.
 
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This thread makes me sad. I had a huge bottle with 50Ml of Hydromorphone 2 months ago in my bathroom cabinet and i was trying to use it orally (not knowing to plug it since the bottle just said to put two drops under the tongue). So i tried the two drops... Nothing. Tried a Ml... Nothing. Tried 2.5 Ml... Nothing. And then i rememberred to try to plug it one day during school and when i got home to try it out, i found out one of my relatives poured the ENTIRE bottle down the kitchen sink. WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAVE TO HAPPEN TO ME!!!
 
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