Lingering adverse reaction from herbal incense/jwh-018 please help!

[rpp293]

Hi everyone,

My name is Jim. I am 20 years old. I have been suffering with lingering anxiety for two years since he smoked herbal incense (jwh-018) once from a shop. On the back of the package, it stated not intended for human consumption. I have heart palpitations, ability to hear heart beats in their neck, penis, hands, heart fluttering sensations, ringing in ears, chest pain, and pressure by the left breast, and a heightened awareness. My symptoms are present all day/night. For example, from the time I wake up to the time I sleep. Even if I stare at a tree while walking, the symptoms above are present. I never had these physical symptoms of anxiety before. I dont feel the same anymore before I tried the herbal incense. I have a history of anxiety and depression prior to spice use, and was on antidepressants when I was 17, but then came off them when I was 19.

Following medical tests normal
Thyroid, Ekg, stress test,24 holter monitor, electrocardiogram

Current lifestyle since herbal use
Brisk walking 30 minutes a day
Eating 3 balanced meals (protein, Whole grain carbs, and fruit/veggies)
Taking a multivitamin daily
Socializing with friends
Drinking a few beers once a month
No smoking any substance

Supplements I tried seperately
Omega 3 fish oil-3grams a day-improved condition somewhat-but no further improvement after three weeks
Magnesium glycinate-400mg daily for one month no improvement
General neurotransmitter support-one month no improvement
Lithium orotate- 10mg a day for a month-helped me be mentally calmer
Oral gaba -700mg a day- no improvement after a few weeks
Taurine- 1g-2g a day for a month- no improvement
B-100 complex-took for a month- no improvement
General 30 day detox program- symptoms slightly decreased (5-10 percent)
Phosphatidyl Choline 2.5 grams a day, Soy Lecithin 6.5 grams a day, Inositol 2.8 grams a day- tried for a month-no improvement- This is to raise GABA levels in the brain, since oral GABA may not be effective

I read on another forum synchronium, and some people stated the chemical is still in the body and one needs to detox using French green clay, and then take nerve and heart supplements to help the body heal. I am not sure if I should try this.

I might be suffering from dysautonomia (dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system) and needs advice on how to treat it with supplements/ or prescription medication. I may have an overactive sympathetic nervous system and might be stuck in flight/fight response.


I am very thankful to find this forum, and appreciate any advice, and hope to heal completely. I know some people healed after a year, and I happy you have healed.
Thanks in advance,
Jim

 

[Vaya]

Hi there, Jim - Thank you for reaching out to us. What you've told us you've experienced is, at the very least, severely distressing. I am glad you're still here.

Having discovered Bluelight, do you think you might use the search function in the forums Other Drugs or Basic Drug Discussion to determine whether or not others have developed similar symptoms from using JWH-018 only once?

If, indeed, you are suffering from dysautonomia and are looking for ways to repair the malfunction of your ANS by supplementation, I might also suggest posing that question specifically in Advanced Drug Discussion. Our members and staff over there have a wealth of knowledge regarding specific questions like this.

It is my sincere hope for you that you find relief - and, by the sound of it, you appear to have discovered others you can relate to on other forums? What have they had to say about the problem?

Check back in with us!

~ Vaya

 

[rpp293]

Vaya, Thank you for responding.

The chemical sprayed on the herbal incense may have been jwh-018, or some other full agonist synthetic research chemical. I took many hits of MJ once a few years ago when I was depressed and I did not have any lingering effects like this.

I searched the basic drug discussion forum and according to this post "Curious about the saftey of "incense" sold at headshops" the moderator, sekio, stated that it may spark anxiety or panic disorders, since synthetic chemical binds better at receptors.

Also, I read the topic "K2 (JWH-018) ruined my life" found on this forum and have tried most of the supplements discussed besides acetyl-L-cartinine and lipoic acid. Some people had problems with their GABA levels and prescription meds helped them, then they took natural supplements to slowly ween off the prescription meds. Some people's symptoms gradually lessened over the year and then their symptoms were eventually eliminated on its own.

I couldn't find anything else in those two forums regarding jwh-018 usage only once and my symptoms.

I am not sure If I am suffering from dysautonomia, but according to the K2 (JWH-018) ruined my life, some members reported that this is the anxiety-related disorder we may be suffering from, since there may be a malfunction in our ANS. I will ask in the advance drug discussion forum about dysautonomia.


On the forum synchronium, members had lingering symptoms for up to a year, until they took french green clay for 6 weeks at 1-3 grams a day, then took various heart and nerve supplements such as nerve shield, hawthorn, and motherwort, Gingko Biloba, and other brain supplements for various specific complaints, for about two months. One member was smoking herbal incense for 13 months straight, and the other member smoked it only once. Both members greatly improved after a year. The member who smoked it once claimed the chemical stayed within his system until taking the french green clay. I am not sure if i should try this. The company swanson, stopped selling the french green clay.

Also, on synchronium members discussed an article that appeared in the news about a woman going to the ER after smoking a spice blend, therefore she was found to be suffering from adverse anticholinergenic reaction, which is reversible once the toxins are out of the body.

In a nutshell, this is all I have gathered so far.

 

[Vaya]

What is "french green clay"?

Have you tried it out for your symptoms, rpp293?

~ Vaya

 

[rpp293]

Hi Vaya,

No, I have not tried it yet. I just bought french green clay to try , as I will take it for 6 weeks like the others. I should get it in the mail soon.

French green clay basically is used for detoxification and absorbs unwanted substances/toxins in the body that hinder normal biological processes. There are two kinds of french green clay: montmorillonite, and illite. Also, it contains vitamins and minerals.

If you would like to read more about it, google nature purity (http://www.naturepurity.com/holistic/clay2.html), french clay for all (http://www.frenchclayforall.com/info.html), and naturalrussia (http://www.naturalrussia.com/natural/clays/green_montmorillonite.html?id=GzhxzdxC). I am not advertising products I am providing information about the clay.

 

[DexterMeth]

I don't really have any advice to give you on this subject RP, as you're already doing everything you can. I'd definitely try posting in ADD forum about this.

Please post a follow up on how the French green clay works out.

I've had heightened awareness from heavy meth abuse almost 10 years ago now; but I smoked and vaped quite a bit of 18, 73 and 250 last year, and can certainly see how they can cause this.

Stick to weed, of even that. Thanks for posting all the info on the supplements and vitamins.

Keep us updated.

-good luck

 

[rpp293]

I don't really have any advice to give you on this subject RP, as you're already doing everything you can. I'd definitely try posting in ADD forum about this.

Please post a follow up on how the French green clay works out.

I've had heightened awareness from heavy meth abuse almost 10 years ago now; but I smoked and vaped quite a bit of 18, 73 and 250 last year, and can certainly see how they can cause this.

Stick to weed, of even that. Thanks for posting all the info on the supplements and vitamins.

Keep us updated.

-good luck

DexterMeth, Your welcome. I do not smoke weed as I tend to be a really anxious person. I will post in the ADD forum, and I will keep you updated on the green clay.

 

[Foreigner]

First thing I thought is that this sounds like poisoning of some kind? Most of the symptoms are neurological.

 

[projump2001]

can the fresh green clay cause this? i would try to see if its being caused by something else..

 

[CLICKHEREx]

Detoxing

If I was detoxing, I'd also strongly consider trying chlorella, from mercola . com (I've tried it) and/or liquid zeolite (Google supplies).
In my opinion, the small residual amount in your system has minimal effect, and you should benefit from the EFT or progressive muscle relaxation, in my other post.

 

[projump2001]

man, i dont want to smoke jwh-018 now.. is it possible that the OP is just some anti drug guy? i know it sounds crazy, but how many people have had this kind of effect.. i smoked it 20 times and i am fine.

 

[tripnotyzm]

A lot of people will be fine after inducing JWH, but unfortunately like every drug, it can cause serious problems for others.
I have heard of too many bad reactions from these products to condone the use of it in any form.
Just my two cents.