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Limiting tolerance to serotonergic psychedelics (LSD, 2C-* and *-NBOMEe, 4-AcO-DMT)

Teoz

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Any idea on how to combat/limit the tolerance to serotonergic psychedelics, including LSD, 2C-* and *-NBOMe? I've read that 5HT-2A antagonists might help, any idea if this works? If so, I have access to some antihistamines that function as said, do you think if they will work? I have alimemazine, hydroxyzine, trimipramine and mianserin, maybe one of them could work to lower the tolerance?

Or do any of you have any other ideas, thoughts or suggestion? Thanks!
 
No a 5HT2A antagonist will also increase tolerance.

There isn't any known way. As little as you want to hear it, just use them less often.
 
Why would an antagonist increase tolerance, if they cause upregulation of 5HT-2A receptors, while serotonergic psychedelics in large part cause tolerance through the opposite mechanism, that is a downregulation of said receptors?
 
Errr, look into the endocytosis pathways and other downregulation pathways for 5HT2A. You could probably find something by researching DMT's pharmacology too, as it doesn't downregulate 5HT2A.
I'm not going to go too deep into this issue as the whole amphetamine tolerance reduction angle eats up a ton of my free computer time.

But, off the top of my head melatonin, SJW, and exercise all increase 5HT2A function or expression.
 
How long are you taking in between trips? Usually tolerance to psychedelics doesn't last any long than a week. Is your goal here to trip more often than that or have you actually developed some sort of long term tolerance? If so, is it to all the effects or just to some?

5-ht2a inverse agonists up-regulate 5-ht2a receptors but agonists and antagonist generally down-regulate them.
 
Many antipsychotics (and likely some antihistamines) act as 2A/2C inverse agonists. I'm almost certain I've read somewhere that they cause upregulation, but I've had a quick search on google scholar but found nothing, but I'll have a better look another time. At the very least they they don't cause downregulation.

Deramciclane (EGIS-3886) is a novel anxiolytic agent that binds with high affinity to 5-HT2A/2C receptors. The interactions of deramciclane with the serotonin 5-HT2C receptor were characterized further using receptor phosphoinositide hydrolysis assays and receptor autoradiography. Deramciclane antagonized 5-HT2C receptor mediated 5-HT-stimulated phosphoinositide hydrolysis with an IC50 value of 168 nM. Deramciclane also decreased basal phosphoinositide hydrolysis by up to 33% (EC50 = 93 nM) in a physiological system in the choroid plexus, suggesting that deramciclane possesses inverse agonist properties at this receptor. Administration of single doses of 0.5 mg/kg and 10 mg/kg resulted in a maximal 5-HT2C receptor occupancy of up to 45% and 79%, respectively, in the choroid plexus. Chronic (14 days) treatment with 0.5 mg/kg or 10 mg/kg deramciclane did not alter [125I]DOI (agonist) or [3H]mesulergine (antagonist) binding to 5-HT2C receptors in the choroid plexus compared to saline-treated controls, as determined by quantitative receptor autoradiography. In comparison, the effects of deramciclane on 5-HT2A binding characteristics and receptor occupancy were also studied. Deramciclane treatment resulted in 5-HT2A receptor occupancy of up to 78%, but no significant effect of chronic treatment on 5-HT2A receptor agonist binding levels was found. In conclusion, these data indicate that deramciclane is a 5-HT2C receptor inverse agonist and occupies 5-HT2C receptors during treatment, and that chronic treatment with deramciclane does not lead to 5-HT2C receptor down-regulation.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/3e80cgryyq0tgkgw/
 
^Sounds like they just don't cause any significant alteration in receptor expression.
This may not be exactly what you're asking for, but NBOMe series chemicals, especially 25C, are so cheap relative to their potency that they may make tolerance a non-issue. However I have not really tested the development of tolerance in this way so I suppose it's possible that insurmountable tolerance occurs.
 
St johns worth upregulates 5HT2A and has been found anecdotally to reverse MDMA tolerance.
 
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