Lima on edge after police kill woman, wound 1-year-old child in drug raid

[Mostslepton]

Fuck, I knew this was going to piss me off.

Why allow anything to be a met with indignation on your behalf?

they willing raid a home and kill a mother of six!!!

Well, duh. Off course they raided the house willingly. The raiders don't care who is in a house or even if it's the wrong house..all they want is that "reward money".

it sets an intense rage within me.

LOL, why?

Fucking Drug War shit needs to end!!!

Yea, like enough people are going to wake up to the insanity that is the drug war. Just get used to it.

 

[nimsoft]

You know what, I'm lost for words.... I can't even describe how upset I am about this, Why do the cops feel the need to barge in with guns blazing to arrest a drug user. I could understand if the guy was a violent murder or rapist

 

[syymphonatic]

Whether indirectly or otherwise; the father is responsible for what happened.

I don't care how hard your life is, if you fucking sell crack out the house where your six kids live, you are knowingly exposing yourself, them and anybody else living with you to a certain degree of risk. And if you're selling crack to make ends meet, lol you probably shouldn't have children to begin with!

All reckless police action notwithstanding, the kind of ppl that SMOKE CRACK are not exactly the kind you'de want spreading genes.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the mother used the child as a human shield or something. I'm sorry but.. you've got six fucking kids- and a boyfriend selling crack out of your house: you're versed in this kind of shit, straight up.

that doesn't make it right. Cops aren't supposed to go into shoot-em-up mode just for simple drug raids. they're supposed to excercise caution when they know there are children involved. they are not supposed to KILL anyone who is not their target nor posing a threat. just because they have a hard up life, maybe one that YOU are not exposed to, and just because they got into a risky lifestyle DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY FOR THE COPS TO KILL THEM!! hands down! you are trying to make it like it's that's woman's own fault that she dies. it's not. she had a part in it... but what's to say she CHOSE that life? that type of life often chooses the person... if she grew up in the suburbs with loving parents, graduated high school with honors, and never saw anything so much as a bottle of wine, you can bet your ASS that she wouldn't have turned out like this.
America's "equal opportunity for everyone" is such bullshit.. you have to be born into it. and just because she was born into this DOES NOT MAKE HER DESERVE TO DIE.

 

[Khadijah]

Whether indirectly or otherwise; the father is responsible for what happened.

I don't care how hard your life is, if you fucking sell crack out the house where your six kids live, you are knowingly exposing yourself, them and anybody else living with you to a certain degree of risk. And if you're selling crack to make ends meet, lol you probably shouldn't have children to begin with!

All reckless police action notwithstanding, the kind of ppl that SMOKE CRACK are not exactly the kind you'de want spreading genes.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the mother used the child as a human shield or something. I'm sorry but.. you've got six fucking kids- and a boyfriend selling crack out of your house: you're versed in this kind of shit, straight up.

You need Hoodanomics 101 fool. Should would and could dont mean shit. The truth of it is, theres babies you gotta feed, and you gonna do it the best way you know how. Workin 40 hours a week at mcdonalds for a whole year still dont make you enough to cross above the poverty line. Bottom line is there is cryin babies who need somethin to eat and if your man can hustle some rocks to put that food in the fridge then you gonna be grateful for that shit. Its the sad reality of the way life is for some peeps. I hate the righteous muthafuckas that come from some hard shit and then get all uppity and high and mighty about it , get out the hood and never look back to all their brothers and sisters still stuck there. Thats bullshit. The struggle is universal and i cant stand nothin more than when people forget where they came from.

"people that SMOKE CRACK" OMG!! CRACK!!! They should NEVER have kids! Cracks a drug that is alot harder to not abuse than many other ones but thats bullshit, like you dont know nobody who was less than a perfect human who got a kid. It happens. its fucked up and it aint the ideal situation but thats how it goes. you gotta roll wit it once its like that. Who said the mom smokes crack? maybe she do maybe she dont but whether or not the mom or dad was a smoker dont matter, becuz the story is that THE COPS KILLED A MOTHER AND WOUNDED A BABY. Thats what this is about. dont try n change the subject onto somethin else, suggestin that it aint that big of a loss since they were lowlifes anyways, tryina play it off and twist it, cuz you know what, i bet you those kids left without their mom sure dont feel like that. I aint even gonna say nothing to the "i bet the mom used the kid as a shield" comment other than thas just the most pathetic bullshit i read all day. I hope someone raids your house and shoots your kid someday and then accuses you of using your baby to discourage the cops shooting you. who the fuck are you to judge.

 

[Mostslepton]

that type of life often chooses the person...

That is nothing but a cop-out. Bullshit.

"people that SMOKE CRACK" OMG!! CRACK!!!

Here's a secret, theres no danger in cocaine, heroin, or meth. There is risk in putting it into your body, but thats, plainly speaking, not the drugs doing. hint hint.

no, crackheads are not people. The crack spirits have taken them over.

human vs crackhead = crackhead dead - just as much as human vs cockroach = cockroach dead.

Kill all the crackheads and everyone the crackheads associate with. It's like a virus.. it's like zombification.

Crackheads aren't real people. I'm not even sure if they are alive. I think the crack actually keeps them alive while they are really dead.

Crackheads are zombies, seriously. That's how the idea of zombies came around. Look it up. Google it.

Zombies in the movies are nothing more than an allegory for crackheads. 28 weeks later? Yeah, crackheads.

I hope someone raids your house and shoots your kid someday and then accuses you of using your baby to discourage the cops shooting you

LOL. Is this supposed to hurt my feelings? I don't and will never have a baby because I for one am all for reducing the excessive amount of people being born in this world. It cheapens the value of human life, and often results in a bunch of retards running around.

who the fuck are you to judge.

I give myself the right to judge, fool. Just as you've taken the liberty to judge me in your post and hoped for me a similar fate as that family simply because I expressed an opinion.

And just so you know I've been in "the hood" and have witnessed firsthand what crack does.. so STFU.

 

[Tryptamine*Dreamer]

Your idea that zombies are an allegory of crackheads makes little sense, since Night of the Living Dead was made back in the 60s, before crack was in wide use. I don't know if crack was even used at all back then.

And how can you say crackheads aren't even human? They are people with an addiction, nothing more, nothing less. Crack may be extremely addictive, but I am sure some crack users are able to use only occasionally. Just like with any other drug. I have seen some posters on bluelight talk about how good it feels to smoke crack while on heroin who don't seem to care much for it any other time.

The pigs shot an innocent woman and child, who were no threat to them. AFAIK, the pigs were not fired upon at any time. The pigs are to blame. Nobody forced them to raid that house. No real crime was committed, except by the pigs.

 

[tobala]

Mostslepton, you would blame women for being raped because they were born with cunts. :D

That said, I'm agreed regarding your comments about an increase in addiction rates that would come with decriminalization. But at least this undesirable effect would be the result of people choosing to take the drugs they get into trouble with, and the effects of addiction itself would be much less deleterious because it wouldn't result in financial ruin or criminality.

On the other hand, these kids had no say when the government goons came crashing in and firing away.

Decriminalization looks like the lesser of two evils to me...

 

[treebear]

Most of these cases they could of just waited for the people to go to the store or leave the house and arrest them on the street, but they get worried they won’t get the drugs. So they risk the lives of innocent kids to confiscate drugs.

These are drugs, flowers and extracted substances from coca leaves it’s not a explosive factory in Iraq.
This war on Drugs is way out of control….

 

[Tytan]

Why allow anything to be a met with indignation on your behalf?

Why allow anything to be met with indignation? Because I dispise injustice... that's why I "allow" somthing to be met with that displeasure. Are you even thinking straight or did you really know what that word means?

Well, duh. Off course they raided the house willingly. The raiders don't care who is in a house or even if it's the wrong house..all they want is that "reward money".

Using the word "willingly" is not so "duh", as you eloguently put it. They can be forced to raid a home if the childrens life is in more danger than not doing so. However, you're probably right, just like you, they don't care who's house it is, or who's right's they violate, or who's lives they take. All they want is to see those drugs captured, and continue to talk themselves into the illusion of self righteousness that has come to be called the War on Drugs.

LOL, why?

It's called compassion... something you ovbiously lack, my friend. But more so because that child didn't do anything to deserve losing his finder being shot off by the cop, while killing the babies mother, who had 5 others present. Nothing is worth that... read me? ... N-O-T-H-I-N-G. I don't care if the mother was using the baby as a sheild or not, the cop shouldn't have been pointing his gun at her. It doesn't matter if they were lousy parents or not, or if the father was really dealing drugs or not. Its about how the police caused more damage to that family in just moments than any drug could have done in years. It's about seeing addicts as people who have a medical condition that needs treated as such, rather than being so pig headed as to not even see them as people, much less not seeing them as criminals that deserver to be shot merely because the COP CHOSE to violently raid a home full of children. It's about having a little god damn respect for human life, and human rights, you slug.

Yea, like enough people are going to wake up to the insanity that is the drug war. Just get used to it.

You know if you didn't lay down like a good sheep and do nothing, you might not be such a bitter person with an extreme emotional deficit.

Legalize drugs, you will most certainly see an increase in addiction rates and use.

Keep drugs illegal, pushing the war on drugs and you will most certainly see the continued gang formation, lower quality and more dangerous drugs, powerful cartels, under age use, property damage, injuries and deaths all associated with the war on drugs, continued cycles of drug use etc etc.

So in other words, its obviously a dubious theme to continue to outlaw drugs. It's good to at least agree with you on that part. And quite frankly, if someone who appears as "challenged" as you can understand that... I think there's a lot of hope.

 

[brainslookfunny]

Kill all the crackheads and everyone the crackheads associate with.

damn
people who can justify killing someone when it's not even a life or death situation are the reason I'm afraid of people to begin with

 

[robd]

http://ga0.org/campaign/enough_is_enough

help do something about this bullshit!!!! sticky this link

 

[robd]

man the ignorance is never ending.... gtfo mostslepton

 

[Mostslepton]

And how can you say crackheads aren't even human? They are people with an addiction, nothing more, nothing less.

My crackhead/zombie reference was obviously a bit inflated to get the point across while simultaneously adding a little levity; it passed over your head. And yes, people with addiction who knowing in advance (in most scenarios, I'm sure) of the potential risks involved still turned to whatever they got addicted to in the first place.

Because I dispise injustice... that's why I "allow" somthing to be met with that displeasure. Are you even thinking straight or did you really know what that word means?

LOL @ "injustice". In the eyes of the universe, you (or any other human being) are just as insignificant as the fly you no doubt crushed between your fingers without a second thought as a child, or the mosquito you smashed on your leg today. I was neither intoxicated nor am I attracted to the same sex, so I would safely say that I was indeed thinking "straight". I wouldn't use a word without knowing what it means. But I said that to say this: he/she who lets the emotions dictate their actions is a slave. What can possibly be gained from any experience if one allows it to invoke rage, anger, or hostility? This perceived injustice already happened, it does you no good to raise your blood pressure over it. You get me?

It's called compassion... something you ovbiously lack

I see how this works. So, I empathize differently than do most people, therefor you conclude quite illogically that I must have some "extreme emotional deficit"... lolz. You fail.

It's about having a little god damn respect for human life, and human rights, you slug.

And... epic phailure. There is no such thing as a "right". Rights are something dreamed up by some moron who thinks they have a "right" to something. This "right" has led to something called overpopulation . Why should anybody care about anyone dieing if there are a billion clones just like them ready to take their place?

So in other words, its obviously a dubious theme to continue to outlaw drugs.

I merely pointed out the whole "damned if you do, damned if you don't" factor inherent in so many things.

It's about seeing addicts as people who have a medical condition that needs treated as such,

Perhaps the nature of the OP is. But let me ask you a question:

What is the movie Dazed and Confused about? Is it about the 60's? Drugs? Weed? The kid's decision whether or not to sign that paper? Is is about love? Adolescents and their trials and tribulations? Rock and roll? Chicks? Pranks?

I think you catch my drift. Unless off course you're just plain dense, which I suspect you are. No, I think you're just a brainwashed nutcase, uncapable of thinking for yourself. You have my compassion

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

This is disgusting. The fucking pigs kill innocent people, destroy the futures of innocent children, and violate the rights of millions to enforce unconstitutional laws. The scumbags were not even fired upon.

My thoughts exactly.

I didn't read all the responses thoroughly, just the main article. But this makes my blood fucking boil. Just because someone is connected tangentially with drugs doesn't justify commando tactics by the police. I see through this kind of fascist move -- the hidden message from the police here is: 'you get involved with drugs, you just might lose your head over it.' It's a warning, an example, to everyone.

To anyone here who has no sympathy for the dealer and his family, that's a fallacy called blaming the victim. I speak as someone who has paid for rent and higher education by involvement in an illegal trade, and probably wouldn't have been able to afford it otherwise.

For all the effort and money the local government put into executing that raid, they could have put into attracting more blue collar jobs to the area, so that fewer people need to deal (or use!) crack to get by.

 

[Mostslepton]

To anyone here who has no sympathy for the dealer and his family

That would appear to be just me.

that's a fallcay called blaming the victim

No, it isn't. Who in their right mind doesn't realize there are huge risks involved in the selling of illegal drugs? The drug dealer knows this, and accepts the gambit. Why can't you?

What pisses me off is drugs with recreational value but mostly potential to evolve the spirit being scheduled e.g. mushrooms, etc, and how it is illegal to ingest, possess or distribute a fucking PLANT. But shit drugs like crack cocaine, etc... the world can do without them. Easily.

Quit crying over somebody you don't even know. It's called empathic suffering, and it's pathetic. You do realize that there are things like this which happen all the time without your ever hearing about it? Instead of letting your "blood boil", rejoice in the fact that the world just got a little bit smaller. The human population, that is.

LOL @ people defending crackheads. Only on a drug forum, I guess.

Edit: And hey, I'm not saying "OMG it's wrong don't do it!" Don't confuse one thing with another. If you can get away with it and are in a shitty financial situation, good on you if you can get yours by any means necessary. Just don't cry when the boys in blue (or black) come kicking your door down, and stuff like this happens. What else would you expect? It's a risk you take when you involve yourself with this shit, sorry.

Wrong or right, bad or good, that's the way it is. Quit crying.

 

[bingalpaws]

No, it isn't. Who in their right mind doesn't realize there are huge risks involved in the selling of illegal drugs? The drug dealer knows this, and accepts the gambit.
You're making the assumption that the risks weighed involve episodes such as this one - the typical weighing wouldn't need to involve this type of scenario since it is not expected and the police were out of line.

 

[bingalpaws]

What pisses me off is drugs with recreational value but mostly potential to evolve the spirit being scheduled e.g. mushrooms, etc, and how it is illegal to ingest, possess or distribute a fucking PLANT. But shit drugs like crack cocaine, etc... the world can do without them. Easily.

I'm missing the relevancy of that tangent - people who make distinctions, the way you do, based upon whether it's synthetic or from the ground tend to be a little naive about their drugs. There are plenty of synthetic compounds that'll "evolve your spirit", whatever that means, and plenty of natural plants that're just straight narcotic. Making the synthetic / plant distinction seems naive and, in this instance, completely arbitrary anyways.

Quit crying over somebody you don't even know. It's called empathic suffering, and it's pathetic.

For what reason do you automatically believe everyone's hostility, anger, and frustration is because they are only concerned about this family? Ever think that the feeling is partly a personal concern for the country, the anger of seeing these occurences becoming more and more commonplace?

Just don't cry when the boys in blue (or black) come kicking your door down, and stuff like this happens.

Right, just accept whatever gross over-use of power presents itself, shuuure!!

Crackhead pissed because police arrested him and took his rocks? Don't cry.

Crackhead pissed because police handled a situation wrong and deaths resulted? Cry and bitch all you want.

What else would you expect?

Proper procedure and/or competent officers to ensure these situations don't happen perhaps?

It's a risk you take when you involve yourself with this shit, sorry.

Would you say the same if the police shot half the people there? What if, somehow, it was all caught on film and it was obviously a zero-threat situation and the cops were killing execution style?

Your line of reasoning is just silly because you make it seem like it's a simple case of "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime", and you ignore the fact that the punishment here far exceeded the crime, *and* shouldn't have happened in the first place.

Wrong or right, bad or good, that's the way it is. Quit crying.

 

[Tytan]

LOL @ "injustice". In the eyes of the universe, you (or any other human being) are just as insignificant as the fly you no doubt crushed between your fingers without a second thought as a child, or the mosquito you smashed on your leg today.

That's either pretty arrogant or a serious self delusion to speak as if the view through the eyes of the universe is synonymous with YOUR view. You speak nonsense. If you truly believe a human being is as insignificant as a fly, then you are the one who is dense.

he/she who lets the emotions dictate their actions is a slave.

This makes no sense, because it could be said that ANYTHING that dictates a persons actions, makes them a “slave”. The is preposterous… every action has a cause. Logic and emotion both can dictate the actions of a human being. It’s called subjective and objective.

What can possibly be gained from any experience if one allows it to invoke rage, anger, or hostility?

The motivation to act on ones logical conclusions concerning that experience, for one thing. And do something about it. Even if all one can do is, express their strong displeasure for the injustice that has occurred, communicate that view logically, and spread the word of the evils of the Drug War… we might actually be able to end it, and no one else be senselessly killed by it.

This perceived injustice already happened, it does you no good to raise your blood pressure over it. You get me?

This perceived injustice may have already happened, but it’s not over… get me?

I see how this works. So, I empathize differently than do most people, therefor you conclude quite illogically that I must have some "extreme emotional deficit"... lolz. You fail.

Actually my conclusion that you have an extreme emotional deficit was very logical. This conclusion is further supported by the empirical evidence of your view, provided by your own words, that a human being (a mother of six in this case) is as insignificant as a fly. Far from failing, my friend

And... epic phailure. There is no such thing as a "right". Rights are something dreamed up by some moron who thinks they have a "right" to something.

Then you must believe freedom is concept of a moron. Your ignorance is stifling. “Rights” were ‘dreamed up’ to secure freedom against oppression.

What is the movie Dazed and Confused about? Is it about the 60's? Drugs? Weed? The kid's decision whether or not to sign that paper? Is is about love? Adolescents and their trials and tribulations? Rock and roll? Chicks? Pranks?

I think you catch my drift. Unless off course you're just plain dense, which I suspect you are. No, I think you're just a brainwashed nutcase, uncapable of thinking for yourself. You have my compassion

Actually, I’ve never seen the movie “Dazed and Confused”… however, I can say… it’s a M-O-V-I-E dude. You do know movies are made up and do not reflect the realities of the word, don’t you? Man, and you think I’m brainwashed?

You have my compassion

Compassion for me, but not the mother of six who was needlessly killed? I’ll take that as if we are making progress with you in this thread. (One can only hope)

What pisses me off is drugs with recreational value but mostly potential to evolve the spirit being scheduled e.g. mushrooms, etc, and how it is illegal to ingest, possess or distribute a fucking PLANT. But shit drugs like crack cocaine, etc... the world can do without them. Easily.

So you endorse only a particular set of drugs, and you maintain no compassion for the family in that article because of the type of drug? Would you be as starved for compassion as you are now if it was someone dealing “a plant”? You condemn crack and similar drugs because they are not held to your personal definition of “recreational value” that has a “potential to evolve the spirit”?

Tell me something, friend… how do you so easily apply the meaning of the word “spirit” (a word and definition that some moron dreamed up) while you simultaneously refuse to acknowledge a concept of natural human rights?

You’ve made yourself a hypocrite in several instances already.

Just don't cry when the boys in blue (or black) come kicking your door down, and stuff like this happens. What else would you expect? It's a risk you take when you involve yourself with this shit, sorry.

Wrong or right, bad or good, that's the way it is. Quit crying.

That’s the way it is, but do you think that it will ever change if we don’t say anything, or don’t do anything about it? Not everyone prefers to lay down and be a good slave to government, as you appear to believe we should.

Yeah, the dealer knew the risk… but those babies didn’t have any choice. The “boys in blue” have a DUTY if nothing else, to consider that risk to those babies, and refuse to create more risk for them. By your reasoning, those Police Officers are NO BETTER that the dealer (more IMO) for making the decision to place those children and their mother at such a high risk.

Your entire stance is hypocritical and discriminating, even of itself.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

No, it isn't. Who in their right mind doesn't realize there are huge risks involved in the selling of illegal drugs? The drug dealer knows this, and accepts the gambit.
You're making the assumption that the risks weighed involve episodes such as this one - the typical weighing wouldn't need to involve this type of scenario since it is not expected and the police were out of line.

Thank you. The risks of any non-violent crime should not involve your family getting shot in a police raid, before any questions are asked and anyone gets a chance to put their hands up. If this has become the way it is, how can we get up on our moral high horse when talking about a police state like China, or a country run by loose cannon paramilitary groups like Colombia? If this happened in either of those places, we'd be like 'Yep. That's what happens in countries like that where democracy and human rights are nonexistent.' With incidents like this happening, what makes the US any different?

When I have to fear my door getting kicked in without warning, and anyone inside getting instantly slain, just because I unluckily happen to have been profiled as a person who might be involved with criminal activity X, that's goddamn disturbing. I shouldn't have to strive to live as squarely and meekly as possible, in constant fear of any attention from the police, as people in some countries do!

For chrissakes there are people who go on a shooting rampage who don't meet this violent an end at the hands of police! Not the majority. But some.

I'm not defending crack. It's horrible shit that I'd never try or encourage anyone to use. But its use persists because the roots of the problem are not being addressed. If we:
A) instituted a more rehabilitative, rather than strictly punitive, approch to combatting drug addiction, and
B) did all we could to encourage the return of blue collar manufacturing jobs for America's urban working classes
I'd bet anything the crack problem would be lessened greatly, without nearly the same 'blowback'.

 

[bingalpaws]

MDAO: The risks of any non-violent crime should not involve your family getting shot in a police raid, before any questions are asked and anyone gets a chance to put their hands up.

They shouldn't but commonly do, unfortunately. *However*, if it was routine, if this is something commonly expected, then mostslepton would be right in saying this should've been accepted as a possibility and weighed when the dude made choices involving drugs/crime/etc. But this is not supposed to happen, this is a bad example of a raid (scary how common these bad examples are getting huh?), and therefore he shouldn't have expected this as real when he made his choices (as mostslepton is asserting).