Life After Death With DMT

[M_Deezy]

I have an interest in DMT and how it relates to our life. Some scientific reports claim that it is inside our bodies from birth and that a small amount is released when we sleep to make us dream, and a large amount is released when we die. I haven't read much evidence to support that it does anything else but make us dream. I personally have never tried it, but I know many people that have. A lot if not all of those people reported similar or exactly the same trip reports, mainly having to do with universal entities, space, and the meaning of life and life after death. Ever since then I have been deeply interested in the subject matter.


This brings me to a blog that I came across not-so-long ago. It started with the general facts about DMT, then branched into how it affects our post-death experience. According to this blog post, it states that when the DMT is released in a surge on our brain when we die, it takes our deepest, truest beliefs of what we think about the after-life and makes it a reality. In short, whatever you believe happens after you die will happen. If you think you go to heaven to see your relatives, you will. If you think you go to pony-land, you will. If you think you just rot in the earth... well I don't know.

Well, on an experiential level, shrooms distort perception, coke smacks you with raw energy, ecstasy grants superpower orgasms (ladies), and most notably, weed slows time – time distortion seems to go hand in hand with most psychedelics as well – so time passage then is totally subjective. Ask Einstein.


Meanwhile, among DMT smokers, out of the macrocosm of potential experiences, two major themes emerge nearly universally:
1) A stretching of time – they experience the hectic 6 or 7 minutes as a near eternity or lifetime. Imagine Cobb’s 50 year night in Inception.
2) They experience religious incarnations with a tilt toward whatever sect the subject is affiliated with.


Here’s the clincher: after death, while this massive psychedelic dose courses through the brain, there is this mysterious several minutes where the brain still functions. With our new perspective, however, we at last understand what these minutes are…
These few minutes after death, subjectively, are experienced as an eternity, engrossed in the DMT universe. Also, the trip itself is a highly personal experience dictated by the deepest realms of the subconscious.


Therefore, whatever at your deepest core you expect to happen when you die… Congratulations, that’s what’ll happen… Every religion was right.
Mystery solved. Peace on earth.


If you’re resourceful, you can find this stuff and try it. The bigger question now is: do you really want to know where you’ll be spending eternity?

You can read the full post at http://wondergressive.com/death-solved-by-vestigial-gland/


So what are your thoughts about this? Naturally I'm skeptical as I am with everything, but I thought this theory was pretty interesting, and honestly would be pretty cool.

 

[swilow]

I gotta say, I don't think much of this claim The post you linked to is interesting but very light on substance. The idea of DMT being released during sleep, during birth and during death is pure conjecture; there is literally no evidence at all to support these ideas. Furthermore, it seems incredible that the author has somehow decided that they know what happens when we die given the lack of evidence for an endogenous DMT flood at death. To somehow go on to claim that "every religion was right" is incredibly arrogant and totally nonsensical. There is no evidence whatsoever that DMT has any role in humans. Even the claim that it is secreted by the pineal gland is unsubstantiated, in humans at least.

Given that this statement "there is this mysterious several minutes where the brain still functions" is untrue, most preceding claims are redundant.

I dunno, I found all the claims surrounding DMT to work against the profundity of the experience. They are based on research conducted by Rick Strassman, whose book simply describes a series of 'scientific' opinions which have not be substantiated in the 25 years since they were widely disseminated. There is valid scepticism regarding his research methods . Why not focus on bufotenin (5-OH-DMT) which is also thought to be endogenous to humans; or acetone, for that matter?

 

[Flickering]

My first thought is, "So if I die instantly in an airliner explosion, I miss out on heaven?"

 

[swilow]

Or pineal gland cancer and excision of the gland- sorry dude, your life has been wracked with illness and suffering and now you miss out on eternity....

 

[rickolasnice]

There's no evidence to suggest that DMT is released at death..

And the author of that blog is talking shit.. Sounds like your typical burnt out trip head with one of their "super amazing enlightening truth things"..

 

[Deleted member 210577]

I've smoked NN-DMT a couple of times, and experienced it directly through meditation twice. There's a lot of conjecture surrounding it.. no one knows for sure what it's purpose really is.

My meditation experience was far more profound than smoking it, but it lasted a fraction of the time. From that experience I do feel DMT facilitates some kind of transition between ordinary waking (asleep!) consciousness and what I believe is the astral dimension. I think McKenna was close in his beliefs about it, though I disagree with a lot of what he did say about it.. the entities mainly, jesus man, keep your guard up is all I can say.

The shortness of my meditation DMT experience makes me think that at death perhaps some is released and the transition is very swift between life and what awaits you, and not anything like the crazy shit you experience when you smoke it. I don't think we all end up in the same place either, so who knows what really occurs.

I will never smoke it again though.. I don't believe you're supposed to be there unless you have the capacity for it. You wouldn't jump into the ocean if you couldn't swim back to shore would you? After being confronted by a malicious entity I realized this is not something to fuck with. I had to conjure up some strength from within my essence I didn't even know existed to push it away from me.

My own circumstances in finding DMT and sharing it with my best friend made me consider that perhaps there is some kind of guiding force, wanting us to evolve, and that the experience was part of my journey.. and that it set up protection to allow the experience to take place. But as Alan Watts once said, "once you've got the message, hang up the phone!".


I'd love to experience that meditation thing again though. Holy shit. Take the best orgasm you've had and multiply it by 1,000.. located in your head/mind, intense bright light. I'll never forget that. My head felt like it was exploding upwards, like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Nefertiti_berlin.jpg

 

[Br1ngTh3Ra1n]

I would love to experience heaven by just talking some of DAT DMT

 

[flyhighk]

I read a thread here on BL a few months ago, can't remember who posted this or where, but I'm gonna repost it here (I found it very interesting so I saved it).

The Illusion of Eternity

Dimethyl tryptamine (DMT) exists in significant, measureable quantities in the human body. Some researchers, such as Dr. Rick Strassman, theorize that near death experiences is the result of a sudden release of this chemical.
DMT is a potent hallucinogen, transcending the simple distortions of reality into creating new worlds for the user. Among its effects are distortions of time, which can extend the duration of a second to feel like another eternity for the user.

Like nearly all other hallucinogens, (and pretty much most psychoactive compounds), the nature of the experience depends on the set and setting of the user. Set refers to the attitude the individual has at a given moment, while setting describes the conditions of his or her surroundings.
With this background information in mind, I now proceed to my conjecture regarding the afterlife and how DMT is involved. When a person dies, a considerable dose of DMT is released, possibly in a quantity so great that the perceived expansion of time is a consistent effect. This can provide the dying individual with a sense of afterlife. The set and setting, which would be composed of the individual’s conscience and place of death, would determine whether the trip is good or bad. A good trip which seems to last for eternity would be equivalent to the classical description of heaven, whereas the bad trip would be hell.
Were this conjecture to be true, it would provide a biologically feasible explanation for the afterlife. As mentioned before, this is only a conjecture. It is very difficult to approach this idea in an experimental setting given modern ethics regulations and practical limitations of measurement devices.

 

[Wontblonk]

I tried DMT many times before having a breakthrough experience. It was an extremely powerful trip, and I did confront entities that since encouraged me to reconsider my notions of autonomy and consciousness - a riddle that I believe advanced lucid dreamers are also often faced with.

However, I think it's important, when looking at descriptions of DMT, to remember that combining people's experiences into a single report on the substance, and the effects it produces, is never going to be extremely accurate for any one person. Strassman's research, like all qualitative designs, aims to find and discuss themes that link otherwise unique trips. He does this very well, and I gained a lot from his book. But the fact still remains: some people go in and encounter angels and realms of post-ego beauty, while others get abducted and raped by crocodiles.

Set and setting are important, but for DMT they do not go very far to explain the complete variety of experiences, seeing as even people in similar settings, with positive mental sets, can end up in very different places. You might say that it was deep mental sets as part of their subconscious mind influencing the experience, and I can't disagree with that, but it's one of those chicken or egg unprovable propositions anyway, given the nature of the subconscious mind.

I think, like dreams, there is a lot to learn from DMT, but have to say that, in terms of scientific or philosophical explanations of what it does and how, we generally don't know what we're dealing with. Simple answers do not suit such a complex phenomenon.