Let's Try This Again - Check, Check

Sorry to disrupt this chain of thought (I've been reading the whole thing. Very informative, bubs.) but I've been considered three things.

Does caffeine have any affect on "supplementing with test"? I tend to make it a daily habit. Does weed (nightly - rare "all day binge") ?

I was also thinking that a great source of PCT workout ignitation might be from a preworkout supp. (If yer feeling blue) Has anyone tried this? Maybe limit my stim use for those 10 weeks than get on a prework for PCT. Great idea or best idea ever?
 
Sorry to disrupt this chain of thought (I've been reading the whole thing. Very informative, bubs.) but I've been considered three things.

Does caffeine have any affect on "supplementing with test"? I tend to make it a daily habit. Does weed (nightly - rare "all day binge") ?

I was also thinking that a great source of PCT workout ignitation might be from a preworkout supp. (If yer feeling blue) Has anyone tried this? Maybe limit my stim use for those 10 weeks than get on a prework for PCT. Great idea or best idea ever?

caffeine doesn't have much, if any, effect on test supplementation...many many people commonly use ECA, EC, or ECY stacks, pre-workout supps w/ caffeine, or just straight caffeine for energy with no ill effects on their cycle

weed is a debatable thing....there are many studies that show it does effect test levels to some degree and then about the same amount that show it doesn't...I say use in moderation as many people, including many pro bodybuilders, do it and don't seem to suffer any negatives from it
 
Bossesome. I'd think a pre-workout might be good for that downtime. Maybe even use as a bridge if for nothing else than for good times, sweet rides and blue skies.
 
please don't think that I'm attacking your opinions or experiences, as I just re-read what I posted and how I posted it, it came across that way to me and that wasn't my intention...just good old fashioned debate that we both have lots of experience and as this lifestyle typically goes, different outcomes...I've been living, researching, and working in the AAS lifestyle for just over 10 years, mostly with your average joe gym goer, but I have worked with quite a few college athletes and a few pro athletes from different sports...really it just emphasizes the one true FACT of this lifestyle, and that is that we all react differently

some things like the cyp/enan debate, I have a "bit" of a scientific background (Master's in BioChem) and that is where I base much of that info from along with the blood-work and other experiences I've came across and seen

I understand completely and it's good to have these kinds of debates, to better understand the compounds beyond scientific, medical and clinical data. So there's no harm done, it's good that we can share this information together and help bounce off ideas and experiences with each other as well as share them with others who are faced with the decisions at hand. And yes, because every individual reacts differently to each compound, regardless of what we know about their molecular structure or what they were intended for, it often makes us wonder just how much accuracy can we provide to the collection of data gathered from groups studied or observed throughout time. Then, take into consideration that most of the groups studied were not controlled study groups because there lacks the ability to "officially" substantiate holding one without consent from government and certain medical institutions without "permission" and focus on providing profit to said organizations. LOL!!! In other words, we don't have true controlled studies on such compounds and their differences to answer the questions we want because it's illegal or if it doesn't provide a shit load of money to those organizations, they won't allow it or acknowledge it. Very very sad state of affairs obviously, especially for us in the USA - so we do the best we can to research and collect information whenever possible and hopefully categorize our subjects with as much accuracy as we can. Fortunately, we have had and continue to have a LOT of information provided to us in experience and medical data from our counterparts in UK, Slovakia, Russian Federation, Australia, and several other countries to help us in collecting such data. As far as the cyp/enth debate is concerned, you're right - it all boils down to personal experience ultimately. Best bet is for the individual to try both and determine for themselves which one provides the best "overall" good feeling in both methods of once a week and 2 shots a week dosing. Honestly, looking at it from the scientific standpoint we would have recommended cyp over enth for once a week shots. But as we are dumbfounded with so many who have experienced both compounds in both scenarios, the majority go with enth for once a week and cyp with two a week. LOL!!! Me personally, I'm a chick - so I can get away with once a week shots with either. But I am not including myself in the recommendation nor the information provided to us through others' experiences. You have better experience the other way around, as well as those you have worked closely with, I don't question your recommendation. This guy is just going to have to find out for himself or pick what works for him with whatever factors he's got to work with (i.e. finances, injection schedule, training, etc). In the end, that's always the deciding factor - regardless of the research. But at least we both are doing what we can to recommend sound advice with his overall health in mind as the most important concern.
 
caffeine doesn't have much, if any, effect on test supplementation...many many people commonly use ECA, EC, or ECY stacks, pre-workout supps w/ caffeine, or just straight caffeine for energy with no ill effects on their cycle

weed is a debatable thing....there are many studies that show it does effect test levels to some degree and then about the same amount that show it doesn't...I say use in moderation as many people, including many pro bodybuilders, do it and don't seem to suffer any negatives from it

Agreed on Maakshif's post. Many of our users use caffeine for stim on a regular basis without ill effects on their cycle. Of course there's a measure of tolerance built up with caffeine use as with any other stimulant, but with proper use, that alone shouldn't be a problem and has no effects on the effectiveness of any AAS use.

We do have quite a few athletes in various sports who use weed for a few reasons: increase in appetite, reduction in stress, help with sleep, and some smoke it on a regular basis because they're functional addicts - just being honest as to what it's used for and what we know about the users. %) I don't do weed personally, as I have no reason to, so I can't tell you much from personal experience. But what we do know from our athletes and gear users who work with our organization, those who use weed do not experience any negative effects because of it as far as their gear cycles are concerned, if anything, they feel quite balanced and are able to focus psychologically on their goals as well as deal with every day stressors. Also, judging from the studies about its effect on test levels, it seems to have far less effect on natural test levels comapred to alcohol. I agree with Maakshif's recommendation - use in moderation and always be cautious and be aware of its side effects when doing day to day activities.
 
Sorry to disrupt this chain of thought (I've been reading the whole thing. Very informative, bubs.) but I've been considered three things.

Does caffeine have any affect on "supplementing with test"? I tend to make it a daily habit. Does weed (nightly - rare "all day binge") ?

I was also thinking that a great source of PCT workout ignitation might be from a preworkout supp. (If yer feeling blue) Has anyone tried this? Maybe limit my stim use for those 10 weeks than get on a prework for PCT. Great idea or best idea ever?

I've gained 30 pounds of lean muscle mass in 6 months and have smoked with my girlfriend probably 50-70% of the nights during that 6 month period. It does not have an affect at all on my gains (obviously) as long as I supplement with melatonin.
 
I've gained 30 pounds of lean muscle mass in 6 months and have smoked with my girlfriend probably 50-70% of the nights during that 6 month period. It does not have an affect at all on my gains (obviously) as long as I supplement with melatonin.

30 lbs is a ridiculous number but good job.

Awhile ago "da frolic" used to help me sleep. Nowadays it seems to do the opposite (depending on how tired I already am). I've been using GABA powder for a month or so for sleep. (in combination with any intoxicant is near uncomfortable)

I like to smoke because it reduces stress and encourages positive perception.
 
it is ridiculous

its a little tedious talking to people I have known for a while...because it is incredibly obvious I have gained a large amount of lean mass....I am my humble best and always immediately talk about my diet (which truth be told is the main reason for my weight gain). If they want to talk about my weight gain then they will get into a convo about my diet, not drugs.
 
btw, I dont think caffeine has any negative effect. I tend to time my coffee before workouts (cardio or lifting). I love coffee and will never give it up. It gives me an amazing push in the gym.
 
Coffee, weed and bitches.


Must have been expensive to gain all that without too much fat
 
I love coffee, not caffeine per se... I drink decaf just as much as regular.. I do like my coffee expresso strength / mug size.


Just wondering: isn't there any kind of evidence based practice guideline for basic steroid use? Kids wanting to do a cycle always get told to do lots of research and all that, but can you trust a layman to understand what he reads? Can a layman know what source to trust? Really there should me some kind of harm reduction inspired basic steroid use guideline
 
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