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FrostyMcFailure

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So what're your favorite landrace strains you've tried; Please describe.

I'd like to hear some reviews on the land race strains in general as well as the few listed below:

Purple Panama
True Thai(20+week flowering)

El yucateca

Purple afghan

Columbian Gold

Old Timers haze

Jawhi's Joy


And any more you'd like to add.

Most the above have a bitch & a half flower period. Most in the mainstream stoner culture "dont care what we smoke as long as it gets us high" & these exotic strains would probably be better off smoked by those who care.
 
What is a "landrance strain"? If its a strain grown in land I'd have to say Granddaddy Purple, I like out door indicas.
 
A landrace strain: "Landraces are grown from seeds which have not been systematically selected and marketed by seed companies or developed by plant breeders." The term traditional variety is used interchangeably. These are strains that have been optimized for a certain locale and local conditions or "terroir" to employ wine terminology through the process of natural selection.

So as far as the landraces that I've tried:

Thai

when I started smoking in 84'-85' as a young kid 1/8 oz's were going for $35. The commercial grade buds were Thai bud, this is the stuff people smoked if they couldn't get Kind. After it disappeared from the scene around 88' I didn't realize how good it was- afterwards would have given my right arm to get it. Quality varied but it would give a pleasant tropical sativa high in general and some tasted like chocolate or even mint chocolate and had a golden- brown color. It went for $25-$30/ eighth.

Michoacan Black

Great classic mexican sativa. The whole bud was actually black. Small sticky buds. Sweet and heady like fine wine with coffee overtones.

Big Island Hawaiian Bud

My all time favorite taste/high. Probably grown in the Puna District of the Big Island. Fruity classical tropical bud taste. Laid back epic high.

Maui Bud

Don't know if this is the classic mowie wowie but smoked some of this in Maui in 93'. Purpleish color and super potent stoney high

Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck

May qualify as a landrace strain. From the Matanuska Valley of Alaska:

Started a thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=459909

Great Thread you started frosty!!! Thats all I have time for the moment. %);)=D

Some stuff on the topic:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=458663

Love to hear about the strains you've mentioned. Wife nagging- got 2 go to beach.:(
 
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Only had Maui Wowie. Was super fantastic.

And matanuska valley thunderfuck, but i didnt know it was a landrace?

edit: also smoked colombian gold

i think i also had some burmese from reeferman a few years back, but i dont know if his shit is legit.
 
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There is actually a debate whether or not Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck is a landrace. Actually the spectrum runs from this was an indigenous strain that might have predated human occupation of Alaska (highly unlikely IMO) to a cultivar that resulted from years of selective breeding which was sold to growers in the valley, and thus not a landrace on the other end. Thats why I started the thread to get peoples imput on this and related topics regarding this facinating, awesome strain.

Anyway, went to the beach because someone in our family rented a beach house in a town North of us called Oceanside. Spoke with my wife's aunt who is a long time cannabis smoker but has stoped since june. I quit last year- I'm in recovery so she cant understanding my morbid facination with mind altering substances- "why spend time think about them if you are not going to use?"8)

Columbian Gold

Pure sativa strain. Clasic. In the 80s when everyone thought that indica was the greatest thing ever, in high times Ed Rosenthal wrote an article comparing indica to sativa. He stated that sativas were of higher quality- atleast the classic varieties grown well. When I smoked I had an ecletic taste in buds but tropical sativas have always had a special place in my heart.

Her experience with this. She grew up in Tuscon and there was alot in the mid seventies. There was alot of shit mexican commercial schwag even back then. But columbian was always well prized and more expensive ( an extravegant$400.00/ ibs as opposed to $50-$150 for mexie (remember this was the seventies.) Anyway, the way she described it it was brown to golden brown and she described the taste as very earthy, almost like taking a bite of dirt but as unappetasizing as it sounds it was a very pleasant taste that that she would crave. One characteristic of the high she remembers the most is that it gave her the munchies way more than other strains. And it would relax you without burning you out.

Can't remember how Ed Rosenthal described the taste of Columbian, need to dig up the old high times if i can still find it (have a few good oldies from 70s and 80s in my collection obtained from a comic book shop when I was a kid in Jr high. One, which happens to be a classic issue from the seventies has Santa snorting a bump of coke- white christmas;). I'll look though.

In my research I read about a Columbian strain called Santa Marta reds and golds that was described as different color buds- rust red, golden, red brown, some little green, golden orange in a sort of mosaic with red hairs. Superlative taste and quality although couldn't obtain detailed description.

Panama Red

Clasic strain that Rosenthal also mentioned in his essay. Well known because of references to this variety in the media. A thread was started on this several months ago. Some good posts but the thread unfortunately degenerated into arguments and debates off the topic. Several on the thread claimed that this was a landrace strain originaly from mexico. The primary growing region for this strain was the beautiful Pearl Islands in the Pacific, due west of the Panama Canal. Cannabis was also grown on a smaller scale in the canal zone itself near a place called the chiva-chiva trail near the pacific side. One of the first studies on cannabis use undertaken on US soil took place in the Panama Canal Zone and was commisioned by the governor of the canal zone or another US Government entity, and involved US service men stationed in the Canal Zone by military physicians. The study was conducted in 1925. Apparently cannabis smoking was first identified in 1916 among US soldiers in the Zone. Possibly the first US laws prohibiting marijuana use were enacted here. This study found that, "After an investigation extending from April to December, 1925, the Committee reached the following conclusion:

There is no evidence that mariahuana as grown here is a "habit-forming" drug in the sense in which the term is applied to alcohol, opium, cocaine, etc., or that it has any appreciably deleterious influence on the individuals using it.

The Committee recommended "that no steps be taken by the Canal Zone authorities to prevent the sale or use of mariahuana, and that no special legislation be asked for."

This led to:
The circular which forbade the possession of mariajuana was rescinded on January 29, 1926.

This is essentially the first place and time in the US were cannabis prohibition was repealed although it was reinstituted later in the Zone.

Another positive result of this study is that:

In December, 1928, the law forbidding the possession and use of mariajuana in the Republic of Panama was repealed.

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/panama/panama1.htm

Couldn't resist but this shows that Panama, once a part of Columbia had a cannabis culture that stretches back many years. Probably end up posting this landmark study in another thread.;)

Anyway my wifes aunt said she got to smoke this before. She couldn't remember the taste but she said that this strain was outstanding. She last smoked it in 1978. Does remember that the taste was distinctive. The color especially- was a dark red that she had never seen in any other strain. The thing that stands out for her is the high which was psychedelic to the point of hallucination, one of the stoneyest strains she ever smoked. Incidentally, apparently Columbian buds died out in the early 80s in Tuscon.:(

Carribean

Went on a cruise to the carribean in the fall of 2006. Went to St. Thomas, Antigua, St Maarten/St Martin, Barbados, and, one of the British Virgin Islands, I think it was Virgin Gorda or Tortola. Scored in St. Thomas from a white expat from the US Mailand with blond dreads. He was a roadie for a local regae band. The bud was a good sack of bud that was brown with yellow golden hairs. I remember the carribean buds on this trip all had a similar spicy taste in common in addition to the other characteritics in their tasting profile which made them unique. In the case of the St. Thomas bud there was a well defined spicyness which also tasted like cedar and leather with sweet almost tropical flowery undertones. Good solid tropical high. Next was in Antigua from a taxi cab driver at the suggestion of my mother and father-in-law. They got married there on their previous trip and had a good experience with their previous cab driver. This guy we had was a rip off artist. He drove to some dodgy area and scored buds. They were seeded and of poor quality. He insisted on rooling joints and smoking with us- and on holding the sack. Poor quality, lots and lots of seeds. Commercial Jamaican? Back at the ship we were out of papers and didn’t have a pipe. My father in law made an improvised pipe that wasted what little we had left. This stuff tasted harsh as shit and was green brown . The next port of call was St Martin/Maarten, the island spilt politically between the dutch and french. We ended up getting some on the french side from a French man. Found some at on one of the nude beaches (without saying which one). The French guy who took us back behind a little grove of trees and showed us a sack. My wife's step dad was reluctant to go there in the first place- he was weirded out by the whole nude beach thing but I figured that people tend to be more tolerant in a place like that. Not only were we able to score we scored dank! It was golden brown/coffee brown whith some crystals. He let me smell it and it smelled fresh and sweet, almost rich like tropical flowers and coffee. The sack was expensive and had the devious advantage about being the only one that we didn’t pay for in $ (used euros). Not sure about weight but it was probably between an eighth and quarter oz. It came as a stem with small 1-2 inch buds with distance between the nodes. The rest of the bag was the buds. The taste of the bud was a little hard to explaine- it had a spicy taste to it and tasted like hibiscus, honey, maybe cantolope or molasses. The high was laid back but energetic and real stoney. I remember smoking it in a pipe a purchased in an outdoor market/bazarre behind the beach. High really went with the tropical island vibe and this stuff gave me a super case of the munchies- luckily I was on a cruise ship. It was prety stoney stuff. The sack lasted 2 prety heavy smokers ( my father-in-law and I) and 2 minor smokers (my wife and her mom) for 3 days. The high was mind expanding and multidemensional. At that beach I was the highest I had been in months. Went to Barbados but didn’t need to score and I seem to remember something about them having super strict drugs laws regarding canabis but we still smoked a couple times on the island and went snorkeling, ate well, and toured the island. Last stop was in the British Virgin Islands. I think it was in Tortola but can’t remember- which is strange because I am something of a geography nut especially concerning current and former island possessions of colonial powers. Anyway at this beach we went to on the other side of the island we aquired some bud quite easily from a local kid that was probably between 14-16 years old. Decent stuff, dark green buds. Had the ubiquitos taste of spice that other buds from the carribean we smoked shared. It smelled fresh, almost flowery or piney. The taste was also evokative of plums, licorice, and port wine. Before this trip I had learned the techniques of wine appreciation so was able to apply these principles to tasting gange, I wrote tasting notes somewhere where I need to dig them up. As far as landrace goes- I can’t say for sure whether or not these are landrace, and to which particular strain they belong but it would appear the St Martin bud was landrace (from jamaica originally?). The USVI bud was probably a hybrid by the looks of it, the BVI bud could have gone either way as could the one from Antigua- poor shity yielding Jamaican landrace? But all buds from there had a distinctive spicy taste in common.

Jamaica
Wish I had tried the landrace “lambsbread” and other great strains from Jamaica. Read an article in high times in the 80s that although there was a lot of schwag in the lowlands. Some buds of phenomenal quality were being grown in the highlands at that time in the Blue Mountains.

In the late 80s, used to get this bud that was indica, about 3 inches long were the whole bud was purple, even the flowers. I wonder if this was purple afghan? I would like to hear about purple panama- that’s intriguing, as are some of the other strains on the list.:)

Thai use to come tied to a stick- hense the term “thai stick”. This provided a mellow high. There were other types of thai as well but can’t rember the taste like thai step, but I rember 1 tasting like brown sugar or molases once, came across this taste in a bud that was supposedly grown in Bali as well- that was great strain too- brown sugar, molasses, maple syrup, and this distinctive taste other thai buds had.I remember it was something I found in the parking lot after frying hard on Acid during the dead show when it was over 100 degrees F Dominguez Hills spring 90- this help get me grounded and made me not so much like I had sunstroke anymore. Couldn’t say this was from Bali (guy said his friend just got back from Bali)- but the taste was radically different then anything else going around and tasted a lot like classic thai bud.<3
 
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This is an excerpt of an article written by DJ short the creator of blueberry bud in cannabis culture magazine:

Strains of Yesteryear
By DJ Short, creator of the Blueberry and Flo strains - Monday, June 27 2005
Tags: CC55,Grow Features,Breeding,GROWING.
CANNABIS CULTURE - A retrospecive of the best marijuana varieties from the 70's and 80's



COLUMBIAN
Colombian Gold
Colombian Gold came from the highland Colombian valleys near the equator, as well as on the coast (the Caribbean and the Pacific).

This was specialty pot offered commercially in the mid-70's, for about $60 to $100 per ounce. It was seeded, but most of the seeds were undeveloped, white and useless. A few rare, viable seeds were found that were dark, small-sized and roundish. The buds were leafy and the most beautiful golden blond color. Legend has it that upon maturity the plants were girdled, then left standing to die and cure in the mountain sun and mist.

The color and cure were unique, and the aroma, flavor and high were equally so. The smell was that of sandalwood incense, almost like frankincense. The flavor was that of a peppery cedar. It was some of the most unique tasting herb in the world, and the high was just as exciting. It was truly psychedelic, powerful and long lasting.

First came the great flavor, then the stupefying awe of the shift in consciousness followed by a giddy excitement and bursts of joyous laughter. Smile-lock and red-eye made it painfully obvious who was under the influence of this great psychedelic herb.

The plants from the seeds of the Gold were primarily of Sativa origin. They grew a medium to tall size outdoors at 45?N (Seattle), and were mostly symmetrical. On occasion the symmetry was interrupted by one side outgrowing the other, causing a rounded and bulging tipped bush look. The leaves were long and slender.

AdvertisementWhen grown in Washington state, the finished product was a sweet, spicy Sativa bud that matured around mid-November. The high was adequate but not as good as the Oaxaca Highland grown at the same latitude. The plants were also slightly hermaphroditic.

Colombian Red

Colombian Red was the near polar opposite of Colombian Gold. This lowland jungle pot (possibly from Brazil) was made up of dark red, almost black, chunky little nuggets of what appeared to be hash, stems, leaf and seed. The aroma was that of cedar and hash.

In the early 1980's, the Red cost only $30 to $60 an ounce due to its appearance, making it one of the best deals going. This pot was a narcotic, knock-you-down-and-out, super munchie, red-eye express. The joints would only burn half way before drowning in their own resin! The smoke was very expansive in the lungs with a powerful pine/hash flavor.

Before subjecting its victim to fits of gorging and deep snoozing, the experience usually included ridiculously long spasms of uncontrollable laughter. The silliest little image could induce hilarity beyond belief. This was the main herb around when the Cheech and Chong movies first came out.

The plants from the Red were among the first grown out by Americans. There were many seeds, medium-sized and dark grey, that sprouted and grew easily into a finished product that was more than adequate. The plants grew low, dark, and bushy, with uneven and somewhat scraggly branches that were easily broken from wind damage. The locally grown varieties rarely budded very much, so it is not certain when they would have finished. It would have been relatively late in November at the earliest.




MEXICAN
Highland Oaxaca

Highland Gold, somewhat similar to the Colombian Gold, lacked bright gold color but sported purple and red calyx tips on its blondish-brownish-green buds. It had larger buds surrounded by long, skinny leaves.

I smoked this variety during brief periods in the early 70's and again in the late 70's, paying anywhere between $40 and $120 per ounce. It was some of my all-time favorite because the aroma and flavor were of a super-spicy cedar incense with a slight fermented berry taste, in a very comfortable yet powerfully psychedelic pot. This herb contributed to many great parties, concerts and events of the era because it produced a very socially-conscious experience and mixed well with other psychedelics.

With a long lasting, creeper high that kept coming on in waves over the hours, this stuff had no ceiling. One phenomenon consistently reported from the Highland Oaxaca experience was that of peripheral visual distortions of primarily cartoon color images. This tended to increase the visual distortions caused by other psychedelics such as mushrooms or LSD.

The Oaxaca Highland Gold was a nearly pure Sativa which grew tall at 45?N, outdoors. It was also one of the most symmetrical Sativas I have encountered. The plants grew long side branches toward the bottom, and the even growth made these productive beauties look like Christmas trees when mature.

The finished product was a very sweet and spicy herb of the highest quality, with a hint of fruity pine aroma. The seeds for this variety were small, dark and round, and the plants exhibited slight signs of hermaphroditism and required surveillance to maintain seedlessness.

Guerrero

This strain from Mexico's coastal mountains came in famed green, seeded spears and cost $60 to $120 per ounce in 1977. It had a spicy, almost wintergreen fragrance compared to the other Mexicans with a very clear head high and a most pleasant smoke. It was not as strong as most, but this herb still had a way of satisfying all its own.

There was a legend about a group of entrepreneurs who imported seed from Lebanon to Guerrero and grew the famed Lebanese Upper Mountain (LUM) from the late 1970's to 1980. The LUM was electric, psychedelic and slightly sedative as well. A unique herb that I wish there would have been more of.

The seeds from the Guerrero were medium to large in size and grey to green in color. The plants from these seeds grew similarly to other Mexican and Colombian strains: a medium to tall, bushy, productive plant. The Guerrero Green, however, is where some of the famed onion and garlic flavored bud of the Pacific Northwest originated.

Michoacan Brown Spears

From the high valleys of Michoacan, this strain was very similar in shape and texture to the Guerrero, but dark brown, and with a more peppery, spicy, woody aroma. $40 to $60 bought a seeded ounce in 1975. Although it was somewhat more bland tasting than the Guerrero , this semi-commercial pot was by far better than the commercial Mexican that was all too available. It had a more distinct, spicy flavor than the regular Mexican, as well as a brighter high that was not as susceptible to tolerance or burnout.

The plants from the Michoacan Spears were nothing great. They were thick and bushy and matured earlier than the Colombians. Some were ready in late October, but most were ready in early November. The seeds were medium grey and plentiful. Like the Guerrero, they produced some unique spicy flavors when grown outdoors in the Pacific Northwest.




THAI
Highland Thai

Highland Thai was among the absolute sweetest and fruitiest herb on the planet. The delicate, sticky Sativa buds so efficiently tied to the little sticks were among the finest of herb.

The Highland Thai, I believe, is at least partially where the Haze variety originated. It was one of the finest Sativa plants grown for its finished product at 45?N.

It is from this variety that Juicy Fruit Thai came. Juicy Fruit Thai was one of the original (and very successful) P1's of my breed stock. Juicy Fruit Thai grew fast, long and very unevenly. Every week or so another side branch would erupt in a growth spurt, compete with and conquer any existing meristem (main stem), and become the temporary meristem until another faster shoot overtook it. The leaves were very long and slender, containing as many as 13 leaflets, and deeply contoured.

The Juicy Fruit Thai took anywhere from one to 19 weeks in the indoor bud cycle to finish. Outdoors, the Juicy fruit was smokable, but undeveloped and leafy, by late September. Small buds developed during October and would ripen and swell during November. The longest I was ever capable of growing Juicy Fruit outdoors was until mid-December, in a greenhouse, and the plant could have gone on longer.

The primary drawback to growing the Highland Thai, after its leafiness, was its hermaphroditism. Though few seeds were found, and plants grown from the seeds produced only minor quantities of seed, all of the product was hermaphroditic. Also, many of the male flowers were sterile on some of the plants, or on certain parts of certain plants.

Out of all of the varieties that I have worked with at 45?N, this Thai produced some of the most powerful herb. This stuff was purely cerebral, yet mentally devastating in quantity, with absolutely no ceiling. Once, a seasoned smoker friend and I tested how far we could go with the homegrown Juicy Fruit. I recall making it to the 14th bong hit and being completely incapable of continuing. My coordination and depth perception were so skewed that I was unable to physically conquer the bong! The experience rivaled that of taking too much LSD, causing an incapacitation of the psychedelic kind. Yet, it was also uniquely enjoyable, entertaining and educational at the same time. I had sparkly eyes for a day or two afterward.

The aroma was a super-sweet fruity tropical punch and the flavor expressed itself both in the bud and the smoke.

Chocolate Thai

The Chocolate Thai was another being entirely. Chocolate Thai came in larger wrapped sticks of a deep, rich, roasted coffee color and a coffee-chocolate aroma that was heavenly. It is my uncertain estimation that the Chocolate Thai was a lowland variety.

The imported product itself was unique not only in its aroma and flavor but in its strength as well. This was a dreamy, sleepy, narcotic high that was long lasting and consistent. The aroma possessed a deep, rich chocolate, appeal.

The seeds, many of which were pure black, were extremely small and round. They were few in numbers and only a few would sprout. The plants that did survive were terribly difficult to grow, and all were hermaphroditic. The leaves were long, dark and slender, with most sprouting trichomes early on. This strain was successfully crossed with the Oaxaca Highland to create what came to be known as Purple Thai.

Vietnamese

There was a bit of the Vietnamese herb around in the 70's, primarily early harvest which was mostly badly-cured leaf. Nonetheless, it had a quality all its own with a spicy, tangy flavor and crisp high. It was great joint pot, but I never grew any.

I heard rumors that a Vietnamese strain was cultivated in the Emerald Triangle in the 70's and early 80's.

Opium Soaked Herb

An element was added to certain shipments of Thai herb in the 70's: "early water." A by-product of the heroin trade, early water was the leftover water used to create the heroin from the raw opium. It contained all of the constituents of opium except most of the heroin.

The curing Thai herb was soaked in the water and redried to absorb the opiate alkaloids. The result was a high that was sought out by some, but more than most bargained for. A good wash was an enjoyable thing, but some were over-laced, which caused a dilemma for those who would start spinning after a few hits on a joint.




SPECIALTY HERBS
Black Magic African

This herb is the strongest ever. Although I have only smoked the Black Magic a very limited number of times, and I've never had more than a joint of my own, I feel it needs mention. I did once get to see a bag of this herb that belonged to someone else. It looked like rotted, black leaf, some leaves intact but crumpled, plus a powdery black shake. It had no particular odor other than sweet spicy moldy hay, and rolled best into thin pinjoints.

The smoke was slightly harsh, but with a very deep, rich flavor. I also recall that it produced lots of white smoke. Anyhow, this stuff was dangerous! I often questioned if it was truly pure herb. I have, however, sampled the same product from different sources at different times, all with the same story.

It was equatorial Black African, the supposed herb of some tribe, Pygmy group, or another equally incredible origin! It was likely an indigenous Central African herb. One pinjoint between three or four people was more than adequate. This was truly the most devastating and consciously inebriating herb I have ever smoked.

I do not recall ever passing out or losing consciousness, but I did have to let go in order to come back . This stuff alone could cause one to reach 3.5 pluses on the Shulgin psychedelic rating scale!

I never was able to acquire seeds from the Black African, though I have tried. It is one of the few indigenous strains that I am interested in working with.

Durban Poison

Durban herb has reached semi-commercial levels in the past. All of the South African herb that has made it to market that I have tried has been a bit too powerful and speedy. I always get that heart racing effect similar to the Jamaican. There are, however, very many people who enjoy a good carnival ride herb, and Durban is a very powerful choice, indeed.

The seeds of Durban that I grew during the early to mid-80's produced medium/tall Sativas with spear shaped buds ? uniform plants in both structure and finished product. Although production was good, the flavor was a sharp, astringent, chemical odor that burned the nose and sinuses.

The high was intense and strong but not notably enjoyable, so the Durban was dropped from any further breeding work.

Venezuelan

There was some fine Venezuelan herb available briefly in the mid-1970's for between $50 to $70 an ounce. It was sort of like the better commercial Colombian or Mexican of the day, but it was a bright yellowish color and not as tightly bricked, making the buds fluffier than most other bricked shipments.

The smoke was sweet, then spicy on the exhale ? evidence of a good cure. The head was also a bit more pleasant than the more commercial varieties.

Unfortunately, I was never able to grow any of the many seeds available from the Venezuelan. I remain curious as to how they would fare both indoor and out.

Indian Elephant & Buddha Stick

There was a small supply of Indian tied stick pot available at the end of the 70's and the beginning of the 80's. These sticks were characterized by their large size compared to the smaller Thai Stick.

The Buddha stick was lighter colored and sweeter with a distinct juniper flavor. It was very stimulating to the palate. The Elephant stick was the largest tied sticks, some up to an ounce each, and darker. Of the two, I preferred the Buddha due to its being more cerebral and heady, but the Elephant stick was a fine and powerful product as well.

I was able to grow some of the seeds from the Buddha stick. It produced a pungent smelling herb of the juniper/licorice flavor. Most of the plants grew medium bushy, and most, but not all, were hermaphroditic. The harvest time was medium as well, 10 to 12 weeks indoors, very late October to November outdoors at 45?N.

I called the product Gin Blossom and grew a bit of her in the late 70's and early 80's. It was not until I replicated the flavor in the Blueberry lines that I retired the Gin Blossom strain.

Panama Red

From what I've gathered, Panama Red comes from any number of brash entrepreneurs who have damned the tides of oppression and grown copious amounts of primarily good old Colombian Red seeds in the wonderfully situated country of Panama, or any of her many isles.

Located a mere eight or nine degrees north of the equator, this tropical paradise has a coast on both the Pacific or the Caribbean Sea, without much distance between them, but a lot of elevation. The Panama Red that I am accustomed to was similar to the Colombian Red, but airier ? not as compressed. It had a unique island flavor to it, with a spicy/sweet Sativa rush. Some called it the Tequila of herb, as it produced a high that greatly lowered inhibitions, creating a desire to consume more until it was too late!

For some drinkers, the Panama Red did not mix too well with alcohol, but for most it was a pleasant party high.

I did grow some seeds of Panama Red on more than one occasion. The plants were of the medium bushy character of the Colombian Red, with a little more hermaphroditism, and very long flower cycle (12 weeks indoor, late November outdoors). Unfortunately, however, this was at the same time that I was also growing the famed Highland Thai and new Afghan plants that were so unique, new and powerful, and the Panama Red became neglecte

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THE ISLANDS
Hawaiian

Hawaiian a true classic. There is something special about a good island herb, and Hawaiian is among the best. When properly grown outdoors it has a wonderful and unique bouquet of fruity spice, similar to the sweetness of the fine Thai, but with a kind of tangy taste.

Good Hawaiian herb has always been a devastatingly powerful experience for me. It is very psychedelic and internally focused, contemplative and overpoweringly meditative. A Walk with the King, a Dance with the Queen, and a sunset on the beach! Aah... Hawaiian!

I have tried to equal the Hawaiian experience outdoor on the mainland, and indoors, with no success. Everything I have grown from Hawaiian stock turned out to be nowhere near the quality of the parent stock. This is true for three generations of trials. The product from Hawaiian seed was equal to the best plants grown from mid-quality Colombian stock!

This led me to a hypothesis about Hawaii: that just about any stock grown in Hawaii will turn out to be of unique and relatively high quality. Hawaii just happens to be one of those special places, I suppose.

All breeding attempts with Hawaiian stock were dumped from my garden by 1983. It was a pretty and robust plant though, and also quite productive. Just not all that impressive when grown outside its homeland.

Jamaican Lion's Herb

It has been on rare occasion that I have sampled truly enjoyable Jamaican herb. These rare samples came directly from friends who knew growers there. It was similar to the Hawaiian experience, but with more of a take-your-breath-away feeling of excitement.

The problem I have encountered with the commercial Jamaican is that it is too damned strong and speedy! Jamaican is renowned for its lively herb, for which I can vouch. It is a heartlifting herb and I have a sensitive heart. So I am careful with the samples of the commercial Jamaican ganja that I try.

Much like Hawaiian, the Jamaican strains are perhaps best expressed in their homeland, because I have had little success in producing an adequate example. Both indoors and out, the Jamaican behaves and ends up much the same as mid-level Colombian. Perhaps all Island herb is unique in this fashion.

Philippine Thrilla from Manilla.

The Philippines are another Island chain renowned for producing great herb. I once possessed a small quantity of what was supposed to be Philippine herb in the late 1970's. It had a strong citrus aroma that produced a spicy smoke and a heady high. I never grew the strain, so I have nothing to report on the plants. The herb was a light green Sativa and seeded, so hopefully someone has had experience with this strain.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4280.html
 
Landrace (Pure) Varieties of Cannabis


Indica

Afghani (Lowland, Highland - Afghan kush
Arab
Chinese
Iranian
Lebanese
Moroccan (Kif)
North Indian
Pakistani
Tajikistani
Turkish
Uzbekistani


Sativa

African (Durban Poison, Swazi, Congolese, Malawi Gold, Angolese, Lesothan, Nigerian)
Brazillian (Manga Rosa, Santa Maria)
Burmese
Cambodian
Colombian (Colombian Red, Santa Marta Colombian Gold)
Indian
Jamaican
Japan (Fijian)
Laotian
Mexican (Acapulco gold, Oaxacan, Zacatecas Purple, Guerrero Gold, Michoacan)
Nepalese
Panama (Panama Red)
Paraguayan
Swaziland (Swazi Red)
Thai (Lemon Thai, Juicy Fruit Thai, Chocolate Thai
Vietnamese

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/seeds-clones-strains/49243-every-strain-bud-known-man.html
 
Different Landrace Lists and Countries of Origin

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=30426

Closet Funk:

Africa:
Malawi Gold
Durban Poison

Afghanistan & Kush Region:
Deep Chunk
Afghani #1
Hindu Kush
Lebanese Hash Plant
Petrolia Headstash

Alaska:
Matanuska Thunderfuck
Kodiak Gold

Australia:


Burma:
Burmese

Canada:


Colombia:
Santa Marta Gold

China:

Hawaaii:

Jamaica:
Jamaican Lambsbread

Mexico:
Acapulco Gold
Oaxaca
Guerrero
Michochan

Morocco:

Nepal:
Nepalese

Thailand:
Juicy Fruit
Highland Thai

United States:

Vietnam:
Vietnamese Black



Tripco

More.
Africa:
Transkei Green
Congolese
Ethiopian Highland
Zambian Copper
Tanzanian Magic
Nigerian Nightmare (not sure if it's Landrace)
Swazi
Afghanistan/Pakistan
Mazar-i-Shariff
Kandakhar
Yarkhun
Chitral (?)
I'm not sure if Matanuska Th. and Kodiac are landraces. Accoriding to some definitions, ot takes 50 or more years for a strain to be considered as a landrace.
Australia:
Old Mother Sativa (not sure if it's around for 50 years)
Brazil:
Brazilian Lemon
Manga Rosa
China/Tibet/Mongolia:
Chinese Indica
Tibetan Indica
Mongolian Indica
Columbia:
Columbian Red (Panama Red is very similar, probably it's the same strain)
India:
Kerala
Mysore
Jamaica:
Sugar Bush
Orange Hill
Morocco:
Maroc
Vietnam:
Dalat


Reign of Terror

highland thai is too general my friend

forgot chocolate thai
coconut thai
meao (rainbow) thai

mexico:
zacetas purple
lima limon

china:
yunnan indica

morrocco
moroocan hashplant, maroc is a commerical strain

lamsbread is said to be haze, so cross that out

islands:
zamal
guatemalan
paraguayan
fijian
kiwi
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afghan region
afghan sativa
purple khybar afghani
kandahar
gold seal afghani
g-13 (prob)
maple leaf indica
uzbekistan

nepalese
purpurea ticinesis (origns)

columbia
lumbo gold
lumbo red
lumbo creepy

pakistan
purple pakistan


shit, you know how many differnt varieties there are for afghan regions, pakistan, nepalese, lebanese


Reign of Terror
tajikistan:
tajikistani

brazil:
amerelo
original green
red sativa

nigreian nightmare is not a landrace

africa:
senglenese
camerron
anglonese red
shotokata (sp)
shurma (sp)

belize
belieian sativa


vietnamese black is a chinese x dalat hybrid, not a landrace

turkey
turkish indica

japan
hokkaido

phillipines
thrilla from manilla
any other filipino sativa, thres a lot


Rein of Terror

anything and everything else

Acapulco Gold (Mexico), Amazonas (Colombia), Bermudian, Black Gungeon (India), Blue Sky Blond (Col.), Bolivian, Brazilian, Orange Colombian, Colombian Gold, Colombian Mona, Colombian Red, Colombian Red Gold, Colombian Chiba, Stickless Colombian, Colombian Multicolored, Culiacan (Mex.), Guadalajara Green, Guatemalan, Guerrero Gold (Mex.), Guerrero Green, Hawaiian Blue, Honduran, Jamaican Blue Mountain, Kali (Jamaica), Kauai (Hawaii), Kerala Grass (Ind.), Kona Gold (Haw.), Kona Green, Leper Grass (Haw.), Llanos Green (Col.), Machu Picchu (Peru), Mad Jag (Haw.), Malawian, Manizales Black (Col.), Maui (Haw.), Maui Wowie, Mauna Loa (Haw.), Michoacan (Mex.), Misawan Gold (Japan), Misawan Purple, Molokai Magic, Nayarit Yellow (Mex.), Nepalese, Nicaraguan, Nigerian Black, Oahu (Haw.), Oaxacan (Mex.), Oaxacan Red, Panama Red, Popo Oro (Mex.), Pueblo (Mex.), Puna Butter (Haw.), Punta Roja (Col.), Santa Marta Gold (Col.), Santa Marta Red, Sinaloan (Mex.), Sumatran, Thai, Torreon Violet (Mex.), Venezuelan, Vietnamese, Wacky Weed (Col.), Yucatan (Mex.), Zacatecas Purple (Mex.).==D=D

Would be nice to have someone share experiences on atleast 1 of these strains. I'll try to do my part.%);)
 
Outdoor Landrace strains In Southern California

I was thinking about the environment here in Southern California. I consider the Southern CA coast to run from the SLO county line to the international border. Lots of buds grow in San Luis Obispo Co and the Santa Barbara mountains byt these are different micro climates than what I had in mind. I was thinking Ventura County south, especially San Diego and Imperial counties. What are peoples experience. I would think that the hash making strains of Morocco (hills and mountains East of San Diego) and lebanon (Imperial Valley is kind of a Bekaa Valley.);) Greece is too far North. Durban is probably too humid I would imagine for local strains to catch on- maybe some from the Western Cape? So what Landrace strains grow good here, what are adapted, is CA orange such an adaptation.
 
When I first started smoking weed in the early 70's, "green" was unheard of. Everything arrived in bricks that contained stems, seeds, etc. I never even heard of indica until '77 or so. Most of what we saw came from Mexico or Colombia, with occasional exotics like Panama Red, Jamaican, etc.

This stuff was happy weed. The buzz was energetic, giggly, and sometimes even trippy. Ah....those were the good 'ole days!
 
San Diego Outdoor cultivation: Which Landrace strains (if any) grow best there

This is asking the above post differently. Which Landrace strains do well in San Diego County. Which strains out there period have people had good luck with?
 
only landrace starins i have tried were lambsbread (but when i bout it i thought the guy said lambsbreath but oh well. ) and Thai bud

LB was good bud, nice stone, but it wasnt much to look at

and some thai bud. i have had bud that was claimed to just be regular thailand bud but i have also had thai stick on 2 occasions. the thai bud was nice n energetic, not an amazing sativa but good nonetheless, it was bought at mid grade pot price (150 n ounce) and for the price it was a helluva deal but it wasnt some crazy chronic just a good deal. the thai stick was more potent but shitty tasting IMO
 
Landrace strains that thrive in San Diego.

High on life.
only landrace starins i have tried were lambsbread (but when i bout it i thought the guy said lambsbreath but oh well. ) and Thai bud

LB was good bud, nice stone, but it wasnt much to look at

and some thai bud. i have had bud that was claimed to just be regular thailand bud but i have also had thai stick on 2 occasions. the thai bud was nice n energetic, not an amazing sativa but good nonetheless, it was bought at mid grade pot price (150 n ounce) and for the price it was a helluva deal but it wasnt some crazy chronic just a good deal. the thai stick was more potent but shitty tasting IMO

Lambsbread was one of the classics. It was a favorite of Bob Marley who decribed it as being of such smootheness that it was like smoking mountain fresh air. This strain of Ganja which is presumably exceedingly rare now a days was gown in the Blue Mountains of Jamaica primarily, one of those rare microclimates that are extrordinary for the cultivation of superlative quality ganja as well as some of the best coffee in the world. Like Jamaican Gange, there is alot of inferior product which has tarnished its image but some estates (the Wallingford estate, for instance still turn out a good coffee bean.) Some good quality sativa is undountably around but is not widely available. The name is pronounce lambsbreath I believe in the Jamaican dialect. Remember Ganja is an important sacrament in the Rastafarian religion, a religion that incorporates elements of christianity and ganja becomes the body of Christ, the "Lamb who takes away the sin of the world." Further, in recent years the influence of the beautiful Eastern Orthodox Christian Church that was the state religion of Ethiopia in the days of the prophet Haile Selassie has increased as the rasta religion has matured. Ganja can also be thought of as being analogous to incense which is utilized as a sacrafice to the holy trinity and sacrament which brought union with Jah and a more profound understanding of the mystical aspects of Rasta and Orthodoxy.
Disclaimer alot of speculation and info second hand frm a rasta friend of mine who is a member of the Orthodox Church (lots of Ethiopeans/ Eritreans are parishoners-dominant faith in those countries.) Did you experience the high of the lambsbread as being uplifting, strong. Remember taste?

With Thai, I have extensive experience with this. This used to be considered the grade B buds in the Bay Area were I grew up. Some realy good stuff out there as far as sativas go and some not so good. I go into greater detail in

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=7550590#post7550590

post #4.

Where these strains grown in Texas?-I suspect not, I'm sure you were answering the op's question. My question regarding what Landrace strains do well in Southern California County outdoors stands. My theory is that as far as landrace: the Moroccan strains, lebanese (drove through imperial valley today and it reminds me of pictures i have seen of the Bekaa valley with irrigated green areas and impovershed dry. The mountains off the I-8 are 4,000+ elevation- Ketamaesque, Rif mountainesque plus mid 30s lat. Hash making species might thrive here, even hybrids with a good proportion of sativa. The hills around LA or the coastal hills near Malibu- don't know. San Bernadino county- if the meth lab waste doesn't destroy the watertable. Some places in coastal southern CA counties are good environments- don't know about Ventura but the Santa Barbara mountains and inland SLO are decent growing regions. In my opinion, montery county, were the Redwoods start is were N CA starts, start to provide better terroir for outdoor growing. Big Sur, The Santa Cruz Mountains, Marin and Sonoma County, and then ultimately the Emerald triangle of Trinity, Mendocino, and Humboldt counties. So, Northern CA. Southern Oregon, the Matanuska Valley, Kush Mountains, Himalayan Foothills (Kashmir, Nepal), India, Santa Marta mountains in Colombia, Palau, Blue Mountains of Jamaica, Vancouver Islands?, Oaxacan Highlands, Thai Highlands, Various parts of the Hawaiian Islands Chain, and the Pearl Islands of Panama and the hills and highlands south of the Panaman Canal near the pacific side in what was once called the US Panama Canal Zone. These are classic grow regions ideally suited to growing super fly quality marijuana outdoors. The growing conditiond, the terroir if you will, seem extraordinarily special in the case of the latter two examples (Hawaii and Panama). The Seychelles Islands, Mombassa (Kenya), Malawi, Durban and points in the southwestern part of the country, the canary Islands, Tutuilla (anecdotal info), Raratonga, Tuamotus (rumors), New Caledonia (word of mouth), Easter Island (bet you), South Florida Everglades (home of Krypie!!!) , papua New Guinea, Costa Rica, the Galapagos are also of note or speculation. Places like the desert lowlands and highlands of Northern mailand Mexico and Northern Baja not so good- the outdoor conditions are ill suited for growing good buds for some reason." I've had decent almost seedless examples of landrace strains that presumably do good in the valleys of Michoacan or wereever they originally came from over the last 50 or so years, before being planted in a new local- and these were grown with care- this is the high end schwag you see 5% of the time and though tastier and high more upbeat the stuff still burned out, burned throat, and gave me mild depression.

So the question remanis- how does San Diego and surrounding southern CA counties rate as far as suitability, given ideal care of plants, to grow good weed. What landraces thrive here. How about hybrids. In terms of medical marijuana, are strains for hash production probably the best bets here, especially indica/sativa hybrids with more indica or more sativa? Was California Orange strain trully developed here?

These are pain in the ass questions but how suitable in general are the outdoor conditions around here?
 
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Easter Island Landrace

First things first. It would appear that the outdoor conditions in southern california aren't bad. Many great strains, CA orange. La Confidentially, and all kinds of other strains grow and thrive here. I still think its best for hashmaking potential in terms of terroir. Anyway, Easter Island, a place that I speculated on in terms of grown conditions. Certainly a stoney place. Subtropical island with great surf and mysterious prehistoric petroglyfics/ stone staues. The native Polynesian Name is Rapa Nui. This is the most isloated inhabited piece of land on the face of the Earth. On the South Eastern Edge of Polynesia and its and it is administered by Chile.

Hanga Roa, apparently is the capital. The Rapa version of hippies are called jurgos. At night the smell of gange is thick in the air of the streets. 2 types of weed- pito moke which is (ultra) schwag weed and petardo moke which is translated as good stuff and is a cross between different strains brought since the 60s. Aparentlyscwagy by western standards acording to author. Potential indeterminant but has an ebergy all its own.-Chris Simunak HT [Paraphrased]
 
Please forgive me for digging up this thread, but I believe the premise is highly mistaken. You can hardly call something a landrace varietal if it is from an area with 30-40 years of total history of cultivation of the species and is in a developed area of a developed country tied to international trade and regularly changing aesthetic ideals. Your use of the terms Indica and Sativa are incorrect as well. The term sativa refers basically to european narrow leafed hemp and wild varieties which occur naturally from west of turkey in the south and west and north of kazakhstan in the north and their descendants which spread around the world with human intervention. Indica refers to naturally occurring asia minor, far eastern european and all asian varietals both wide leafed and narrow leafed which includes but not limited to wild, culinary, fiber, medicinal and psychoactive varieties all of which can be either wide or narrow leafed or anywhere in between.

In Jamaica, the term lambsbread has never been used to denote a particular variety except perhaps maybe very recently. It is simply a descriptor of what they view to be quality, or in other groups a general reference to all cannabis. It is a reference to cannabis being a sacrament among rastafarians in the same manner that bread is used by christian groups in general, being the flesh of christ, the "lamb" of god. The bible refers to christians as lambs and non-christians as goats, eg lambsbread is the sacrament for christians or rather rastafarians. Jamaica has been devoid of its own landrace cannabis since about 40 years ago when the island was first flooded with commercially produced colombian cannabis imports of much higher potency than they were producing and eventually seed for wide leafed varieties from both central asia and modern varieties from the us. The Jamaicans in general have rarely been particularly good at breeding or cultivating cannabis and had not even started intentionally producing sinsemilla until the late 70's or early 80s when american literature describing the process was brought there.

As far as landrace varietals that do well in San Bernardino county, you should look for varietals from arid regions or growing seasons in tropical and subtropical africa, Malawi, Zimbabwe, Angola, Ghana Nigeria, Gambia, Senegal and Morocco should all thrive . These are well suited for the high temperatures, droughts and high winds of the area. For something more modern, australia has many varieties acclimated to these conditions as well. Many african cannabis farmers lack the resources to irrigate their plants and these varieties are often incredible hardy.
 
Jamaica has had cannabis of potentcy since before 40 years ago, that would be 1970, 40 years ago, the variety of Jamcian Red Point, also known as Punta Roja in amsterdam, has been growing in Jamaica for well over 50 years, although before that time I am unsure of it's presance. Lambsbread typicaly refers to the way the original type called " lambsbread" had large dense long buds similar to bread in a way, longer than average, thicker and more dense than other strains.
Cannabis strains like sativa have been found in Hawaii and South America for many hundreds of years. Indica is named after the Indian subcontinent by Europeans becasue they found this type of cannabis there since the UK once controlled India,hence they named the cannabis their unlike other types the had seen Indica, so you are correct in that.
Typical landrace countries are considered Brazil, Mexico,India,Thialand,SEA Asia in general, Afghanistan, Jamaica, Morroco, South Africa,etc..
 
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