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legal highs (future highs speed)

speedygonzales

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I just saw 60 minutes report on legal highs. They said they were some that mimicked speed so I did a internet search and found this one
I am thinking of trying. I tried kronic a few months ago and I found it was really simular to pot but I smoke it once to try it out but I stick to real pot cause its cheaper. But I don’t have a source to buy speed or ice so I thought I could get a simular buzz from these has anybody tried it I thought I was going to open the capsules up and snort it has anybody had any experience with these.
 
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Hey man, no sourcing remember.
Edit that out :)

The hard thing about these legal drugs, is it's often hard to find out the active ingredients.
There's often a mixture of common legal drugs (caffeine, guarana etc) then a main stimulant that is legal.

Sometimes it's impossible to know what's in them, you can check out "legal high rating" sites, and search bluelight with the name in the search box.

But it's often hard to find good information.

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Seems it contains DMAA and possibly synephrine along with other unknowns.
(according to: http://www.tripme.co.nz/drugs/legal-highs/party-pills/item/32-party-pill-review-speed.html and a comment by Drael, still unknown amount though.)

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This URL isn't sourcing drugs, right?
So it would be okay to link.. just like erowid is.
I don't know these rules very will :|
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The product you are referring to does not provide a chemical name we can't really speculate on what it would be like or how safe it is to use. Honestly I wouldn't bother with any of this crap.

I guess I will leave this open in case anyone has info on this that might be of use but please keep this away from giving up sources, OP you have been around here long enough to know a LOT better. :(
 
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Tbh mate I haven't tried this stuff before but usually any of the legal pills and caps are absolute shit. Kronic, supernova, synthetic cannabinoids etc are probibly the best semilegal drug ou there. If I were you I wouldn't bother with this shit. speed isn't that hard to find, just expand your social circle and you will find it.
 
shunts!

Since Kronic etc. were banned in July you may as well go back to weed, unless you have to pass a drug test, in which case the JWH etc family is the way to go, which is why they banned them, cos it's impossible to test for every variant.
The trick now, of course, is to find a source!
"legal highs" would not exist if the 'authorities' stopped meddling! As always, their meddling has unintended consequences, far worse than the original 'problem' Yes dear stoner, everything from the cane toad to the ridiculous price of an aussie house is down to feds fucking sticky-dicking where they are not welcome.
Why don't the fuckers focus on shit that really matters, like officially trialling drugs that could change humanity for the better?
The world would be a better place if everyone just ripped a bong and sucked a blotter now and then, fuck; they did a good job of propaganda on me, it took me years to work it out for myself as a nice suburban kid.
How many other potential stoners are lost in the fog of fear and loathing?
Anti-drug rhetoric is a sophisticated crime against humanity, seriously.
Innerself is right, most legal highs with cutesy names like 'funky munky' would not get my goldfish high. But a lot of it will get you vomiting, and its basically all a criminal scam, now that there ARE no legal highs left, those sites should be shut down under the trade practices act for selling snake oil.
Sorry about the rant, our guvmint shits me beyond tears with their nanny state overreach, hahah I'd love to spike all their drinks with 2c-b and film them rooting like pigs in the parliamentary members bar! Everything would be legalized by close of business the next day!
 
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The party pills are basically all crap. I only know of one type that is any good, and they are not the ones that were mentioned in the first post before editing.
 
i'm about to state the obvious, but i feel if you need to ask, it needs to be said.

"legal highs" are far, far riskier to take than otherwise "illegal" drugs. there are many reasons for this.

for one, as previously stated, you don't know what's in them.
this means that you can't make an informed choice in regard to dosage, what's safe to mix with it (for example if you get anxious and want to take a benzo or have a beer - is it safe? who knows?!) and of course if things get heavy and you have to present to the emergency room, they're not necessarily going to know how to help you. at least the 'mainstream' illicit chems on the (black) market are fairly well-known to medical professionals.

also, the 'old-school' drugs (i'm talking amphetamine, mdma, cannabis, lsd, shrooms, coke, opiates etc) have all been used by people (legally or not) for decades, if not millennia. even if not totally 'safe', they are at least well understood.

the same cannot be said for "legal highs".
"legal highs" are also referred to as "research chemicals" - not because they have been researched, but because they have not.
who is researching? well, the people who take them, of course.

a lot of these substances have only been very, very recently created.
i came across an academic journal called "drugnet europe" (newsletter of the european monitoring centre for drugs and drug addiction) earlier this year.
its front-page article was a story about how "new psychoactive substances are becoming widely available at an 'unprecedented pace'" - and notes that in the year 2010, 41 brand new drugs entered the european market. this is quite a staggering amount - the largest recorded yearly increase in history.
i'd be surprised if the figures don't continue to rise, but anyway - what this means is that there are dozens of substances being sold and consumed that have not been tested. not on animals, not on people, not in laboratory trials - not in any way.

will these cause strange side effects? will they have extremely toxic metabolites?
only time will tell, i suppose.

now, research chemicals that are ordered online are pretty risky.
but even riskier is purchasing packaged, branded chems online that do not even tell you what the active ingredients are.
at least if you know you are taking mdpv or whatever, you can read other people's reports and heed any warnings you come across. it is possible to make an informed decision about consuming research chems.

if you're just buying "ivory wave" or whatever (to use an old, media thrashed example), you have a lot less to go on.
sure, you can read other people's reviews; but how are you supposed to know if they're legit or just trying to peddle their mysterious random shit?

i'm not saying not to take "legal highs", but just try and be as informed as you can before you order or consume something.

personally, i tried a couple of pills from a well known jovial "herb" vendor a few years ago when these things were still fairly new on the market. i've tried some heinous poor-man's-drugs in my time, but this was easily the worst.
the thing with stimulants is that they tend to put you on edge. even some of the best and smoothest (cocaine and meth) can be a bit jarring and edgy.
but when you're taking some random ecstasy-lookalike pill, advertised as giving you a "buzz" or whatever - it is very, very unlikely to be smooth. or pleasant.
the things i had were horrible - i felt wired, odd tingly sensations; but not right. i wanted it to end, and it didn't. what rang alarm bells for me was that i went to sleep after a night out, and it was still there when i woke up, i could still feel it. not my idea of a good time.
i have no idea what this shit was, but i vowed never to touch that crap again.

a lot of these vendors are just cashing in on people's desire to get high but not break any laws.
i feel sorry for people that are lead down these routes because they don't have the social connects to score better drugs. "legal highs" aren't even necessarily cheaper - in the case of kronic, it was even more expensive that real pot.

if you did have access to the "tried and tested" drugs, you'd be mad to choose "legal highs" stimulants. if you don't have sources for drugs, just keep trying. obviously we can't even give you any tips on how to source illegal drugs, but there are many ways to meet those sorts of people. be creative ;)

now, i don't know if this thread is a wind-up or something, but if you're going to take legal highs / research chems, PLEASE do your homework if you want to avoid jeopardising your mental and physical health.
also be aware that many of these drugs are not actually legal, so you may be committing an offence by ordering/importing them.

be safe, and remember that information is power. read as much as you can - don't just take one person's word as truth (especially 60 minutes!!!)
 
Illegals can be dodgy as fuck also due to backyard lab production, cutting agents and product substitution (PMA, PMMA etc.) We seem to have more dodgy illegal manufacturing techniques thrown into the mix such as "Shake n Bake", peanut butter crank anyone? Still selling DMMA + synephrine is just shit!
 
I have tried the ones that mimic speed without problems, wern't too bad and similar to average speed. be careful of the ones that say the mimic mdma or lsd as i took some of these and it was the worst drug experience i have ever had. panic attacks worse than any acid would give in a bad environment and also had breathing difficultys and massive heart pulpitations. i have tried many different drugs trouble free, these were by far the worst.
 
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