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Legal high: "charge" information / thoughts?

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neilios

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Hi guys,

Just wondering if anyone knew anything about this legal high (I am in UK) (you will find it if you do an internet search, it a white powder).

I tried on the weekend and was pleasantly surprised, I got it from a legal high stall who claimed it was just like cocaine - it wasn't anything like cocaine (of course) but did give quite a nice clean buzz and definitely got me going (mixed with alcohol), snorted. Many people also gave good reports - I was impressed considering I normally only take 'illegal' drugs :P

Previously I was always not sure about many of the legal highs you could buy (I don’t mind Piperazines but wouldn’t class them as anywhere near great), apart from Salvia and Shrooms (when they were legal) nothing else I have come across would I put in my regular arsenal.

However it does seem now that some fairly exciting (IMO) synthetic compounds are available which pique my interest (and taste buds).

I tried to get some more information off a guy at the stall about this particular one (charge) who I was told knew more by one of the other workers - it is all a bit hazy but I think he claimed it was similar to 4-MMC (Mephedrone) and claimed it was 3-MMC (perhaps, my memory is a bit hazy!).

I have searched 3-MMC and found nothing and so am curious as to what is in this and infact really want to know were I to take it again (I know stuff you score illegally is equally uncertain but MDMA is MDMA, or Pips, or bunk but at least you know roughly which ball park you are in, IMO same would go for the shitty coke you buy).

The funny thing was later I tried some Mephedrone (for the first time) and could see some resemblance – I really liked Mephedrone also, found the high a lot cleaner with less body load than MDMA (definitely ALOT more speedy though as good MDMA normally just knocks me on my arse).

Anyways, back the point of this post - - I think is good you can get these legal things etc. in prepared dosages / and what I assume fairly pure etc. However it annoys me that the producers are a bit secretive about the actual substances involved (ingredients: Vitamin C, Magnesium, ‘creatines’?! etc.).

In the interests of harm reduction wondered if there was any info out there, please don’t reply back ‘creatines’! joke :p
Any responses greatly appreciated,

Thanks,
xNx
 
I get charge on the smoke cornershop down my road... Is it the one that comes with 2 pills that u crush? And on the packaging it says its for plants? And im in england right nw
 
nope, try internet search, just google "charge and herbal highs" (cos we not allowed to post URLs here?), is a white powder can buy in 0.5g, 1g etc.
ready for snorting - any ideas?
 
Ah i have seen that b4 . Never tried it . The ingredients are online and it has no meph in it . . This stuff is expensive for what it is and instead of buying this just get a few red bulls or sme speed, coke or meth ! Lol
 
Yes but the ingredients listed I don't think are right... how do you know no meph in as other meph based products do not list meph?

I think many of these legal products do not give the real ingredients....

There is something pretty alright in it IMO (I am a pretty experienced drug user...and am a bit sick of the usual speed, coke, meth etc. very jaded!)

This is certainly stronger than a red bull... in terms of price also works out cheaper than coke/meth with regards to dosage

Just wanted to know what is really in it should I decide to indulge again!!!!

If anyone has any ideas please let me know!
 
I believe I've heard that the active ingredient in Charge is Flephedrone. I speedier less euphoric verison for 4-MMC
 
That falls in line with what the guy at the stall told me, roughly that a similar substance to Mephedrone was in this (although clearly there is no such thing as 3 MMC exists I may have imagined him telling me this).. so 4-FMC likey substance?

I may contact some of the producers directly and see if they can confirm this is the case (from an ethical point of view they really should but I wonder if they will...)

Was just very surprised at the potency and what I thought was a pretty smooth and clean rush (slightly soapy taste when snorted...)

And no it is NOT like cocaine at all... (despite what their marketing people might want you to believe!)

Anyone else have any experiences / thoughts on this? Or ideas on toxicity etc.?
 
Well...

I was a little drunk at the time, it was a big day out with some friends (Gay Pride at Brighton), I had already had some nitrous also (a few baloons) and had done a lot of coke the night before (enough to know I had done it the night before)...

I think I should add I was fairly drunk (so more than a little) due to an empty stomach and the early nature and intensity of my consumption of alcohol...

Anyways, to get to the point - I had an initial 'line' (maybe about 100mgs really not very sure). It was raining so a few of us found shelter under the herbal highs tent (really raining, think lots of ponchos) -

I think hard to summarise the effects as alcohol always worsens my memory of the high -

A definite rush though (not really a full body rush though) which feels very clean / lots of clarity - feels very 'real' if that makes sense and not dirty. Also there is definite Euphoria and to be honest it made me very chatty (perhaps moreso because of the drink) and the old easier to talk to strangers etc. quite smooth really.

Note also that I find many traditional amphetamines (including Meth) can actually make me less chatty (and I have ingested a lot of pure amphetamine, I not a heavy user but had a lot of pure whilst in Australia in the past).

It felt OK on the nose but my girlfriend didn't like it due to the soapy taste...

Hard to tell how long it lasted for, did some more a bit later on but then a mephedrone bomb also so not sure which was lasting where and what was shaking what :p

Anyways, I rated it. Would want to try again under more controlled conditions!

Just unsure as to safety / contraindictions hence this post, I have ingested lots of unknown compounds in the past but nowadays would rather know what I am taking and the possible precautions needed etc.

xNx
 
Think its Flephedrone (4-FMC), we've got Mephedrone and Flephedrone Megathreads over in EADD :)

Its supposedly a speedier less empathogenic high than Mephedrone from what I've heard/read.
 
Following the comeup from the Mephedrone later I would agree that the Flephedrone (if that is what it was) seemed much more speedy/chatty/charged than the Mephedrone (which hit was beautiful, I prefferred to any recent MDMA exp.) - both definitely felt 'clean' though with little body load and just quite 'real' - moreso than MDMA IMO

Just to add I also think the Mephedrone was also speedy in a similar way to the Flephedrone, once that intial empathic/tactile rush finished.
 
Hello, talk about bringing a thread back from the dead, but I've been lurking around blue for so long I thought i may as well contribute now that i can haha.
Charge is a controlled substance containing the psychoactive substance methcathinone (schedule 1 usa, class b uk) among other things which are only really in there to smooth out the comedown. Creatines are actually very common among cut powders etc, (if ur supplier is concientious anyway) as they are naturally occuring by the body anyway.

Methcathinone is a potent cns stimulant and dopamine reuptake inhibitor, which is where I imagine people can compare it to cocaine. Not bad stuff (except its habit of slowwwly screwing ur blood/brain barrier), good for a night with mates/ or the mrs :D people probably got confused with mephedrone because of its systematic chemical name having cathinone in it too. Don't ask me to type it here u can wiki it haha. Hence meph is called mcat, by people who don't know the real stuff anyway. Never personnaly done meph so no idea on that one!

Only bad thing I found is that methcathinone its derived from ephedrine/psudo, but i guess that will be obvious among the chemists, me being an amature biologist haha.
 
bigmupps said:
Hello, talk about bringing a thread back from the dead, but I've been lurking around blue for so long I thought i may as well contribute now that i can haha.
Charge is a controlled substance containing the psychoactive substance methcathinone (schedule 1 usa, class b uk) among other things which are only really in there to smooth out the comedown. Creatines are actually very common among cut powders etc, (if ur supplier is concientious anyway) as they are naturally occuring by the body anyway.

Methcathinone is a potent cns stimulant and dopamine reuptake inhibitor, which is where I imagine people can compare it to cocaine. Not bad stuff (except its habit of slowwwly screwing ur blood/brain barrier), good for a night with mates/ or the mrs :D people probably got confused with mephedrone because of its systematic chemical name having cathinone in it too. Don't ask me to type it here u can wiki it haha. Hence meph is called mcat, by people who don't know the real stuff anyway. Never personnaly done meph so no idea on that one!



Only bad thing I found is that methcathinone its derived from ephedrine/psudo, but i guess that will be obvious among the chemists, me being an amature biologist haha.
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Care to say how you know that for sure?? never heard of that one.
 
There have been several versions of Charge over the last few years. The first incarnation was basically caffeine (probably with a bit of creatine and/or lidocaine or similar added to make it easier to snort and give it that "coke" numbness"). When the cathinones came on the scene they switched to a blend of mainly 3-FMC (flephedrone) with a bit of caffeine (this was independently lab-tested and shown to be the case).

Flephedrone was one of the cathinones recently banned in the UK so in theory it should no longer contain 3-FMC. That doesn't mean it definitely doesn't cos many "legal highs" still contain illegal cathinones (see recent lab-test results on various "legals" below) but a clampdown is widely expected soon. It could contain anything now but there are still a coupla legal cathinones, other RC stims and stuff like DMAA (geranamine). I'd be 99.99% sure it doesn't contain any methcathinone as that has been illegal here for years and has never been found in any samples that have been tested.

NSFW:
The Spam said:
Some analytic chemists bought a dozen samples of NRG-1 and some MDAI, NRG-2 and DMC. They analysed the samples and the BMJ published the results.

Table 1

WSa Label Comment
1 NRG-1 - Butylone + MDPV
2 NRG-1 - Flephedrone (4-fluoromethcathinone)
3 NRG-1 - Flephedrone + MDPV
3 NRG-2 - 4-Methyl-N-ethylcathinone
4 NRG-1 - Flephedrone + MDPV
5 NRG-1 - Caffeine + traces of mephedrone
6 NRG-1 - Naphyrone
7 NRG-1 - Butylone + MDPV
8 MDAI - Inorganic composition
9 NRG-1 - Mephedrone
10 NRG-1 - Inorganic composition
10 NRG-2 - Mephedrone + benzocaine
11 NRG-1 - Mephedrone
11 NRG-2 - Mephedrone
11 DMC - Caffeine + lidocaine
11 MDAI - Mephedrone
12 NRG-2 - 4-Methyl-N-ethylcathinone
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Scuse the formatting of the table....
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Loads of discussion of it in The 3-FMC/4-FMC (Flephedrone) Megathread
 
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