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headcharge

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Hi !

This enquiry is about LEGAL sourcing, so I hope it's within the guidelines

I'm seeking information on the legal status of any hallucinogens. Basically I have enjoyed 2c-b & 2c-c but I know they are illegal now, and not being part of any groups or buddies that do this sort of stuff, I have zero chance of securing any more.

So with these ever changing chemicals staying one step ahead of the law, are there any decent legal hallucinogens that I may be able to buy from perhaps one of the popular headshop franchises dotted across the country?

It seems that THC synthetics and stimulant synthetics are all over the place, even my local corner store was selling what I believed to be APVP, but I'm not interested in this, or the synthetic THC after some bad experiences, I just want hallucinogenic psychedelics every now and then :(

From what I am gathering there's some recent law that's passed, or about to be, that is ambiguous enough to not name specific chemicals, rather use a broad brush to include anything present and future. Can anyone explain this further, and whether the door is closed forever.
 
your best best is to look into mushrooms. they aint legal but they are easy to acquire with a little research.

alternatively nutmeg. no jokes nutmeg is poison.
 
australia has absurdly strict laws regarding RC's

analogue act covers any RC's with similar molecular structure or effect profile to things already covered in the law, so any new compounds based on recent RC psychs are already illegal

hawaiian baby woodrose seeds and morning glory seeds are illegal so all i can think of you legally getting is dxm and mescaline containing cactus if you can find someone that sells them

as for a new law that is less strict than the current laws? unless someone has posted about it i seriously doubt they would do that, we are so backwards regarding psychedelics it makes me sick
 
searching is cool

Your last sentence would be referring to
"(f) otherwise a homologue, analogue, chemical derivative or substance substantially similar in chemical structure"
which covers all the undiscovered drugs to be sold on the internet in future

Sourcing of any kind is not allowed here, including "where can I buy this legal product?"

If you want to have a good time, you'll have to break the law (which I can't condone on a HR website)
 
This country is really invasive on my personal freedom. Christ, it's not as if there's widespread mayhem due to psychonauts.

I have a nice collection of San Pedro coming along, about 10 plants between 6-12 inches, which I'll be repotting this weekend actually. In a year or two I'll have that option. Actually I already have some prepared powder which I think will be enough for three experiences, but I need to save that for March 2014, for a bush festival thing I want to go to.

So I guess that Govt wants me to go out and get pissed on alcohol instead, start some fights, maybe run down someone in my car, and just generally be obnoxious. What a joke.

Nutmeg = no thanks, Laugh. Not really keen on the idea of delirients, I generally like being creative on trips, not zonked out.
 
Abject said:
searching is cool

Your last sentence would be referring to
"(f) otherwise a homologue, analogue, chemical derivative or substance substantially similar in chemical structure"
which covers all the undiscovered drugs to be sold on the internet in future

Sourcing of any kind is not allowed here, including "where can I buy this legal product?"

If you want to have a good time, you'll have to break the law (which I can't condone on a HR website)
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I have no idea it was called the Australian Analogue laws.

As for asking about the LEGAL product, and if there was such a thing, the questions been answered, so I'm not asking where I can buy an ILLEGAL product. If something's legal then it's no different to asking where I can get a brand of tomato sauce. Or am I missing something fundamental in the rules about discussing potentially legal items?
 
hawaiian baby woodrose seeds and morning glory seedsare purchasable inside ausyralia though they are usually coated in shit so u cant drink em.

I found some organic morning glory seed a couple years ago and dosed up with a mate (we had both had lsd b4) we very dissapointed with the high. Very slight psychedelic feelings, colours were stronger and there seemed to be more colours than usual.

Also had a heavy bodyload we had trouble walking around doinh anything. Wast of time i reckon.

25c-nbome is great, 25i too get them pre measured on blotter paper so theres less chance of overdosing
 
The great thing about the world is they can make what your body produces naturally, or plants that grow naturally, illegal.

If you want a legal hallucinogen, all you need to do is harvest enough living subjects in order to extract DMT from. Now, of course you could get that from plants, but that would be illegal. There is no law against extracting DMT from living persons that I'm aware of. So, that is one way of legally acquiring a very decent hallucinogen. You could even use the subjects skin as a coat, so long as they put the lotion on of course.
 
I like the way you think. A human cattle farm for DMT extraction. I could then sell the rest of the body off to hot dog manufacturers. Mmmm, Soylent Green

I suppose I'll just resign myself to the fact that cacti will be my new friend, and maybe mushrooms. It does suck that the RC's are gone, because there was always this level of clarity that I enjoyed, it was like tripping while remaining lucid, if that makes any sense.Whereas the last big dose of shrooms I had in Asia, that shitfaced us for about 10 hours.

Maybe we need to turn Tony Abbott onto a monster hit, and he might relax the laws
 
AFA said:
25c-nbome is great, 25i too get them pre measured on blotter paper so theres less chance of overdosing
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But these are illegal too, under that act. That's how i'm reading the document. I have a couple of tabs, but after that its game over.
 
opi8 said:
If you want a legal hallucinogen, all you need to do is harvest enough living subjects in order to extract DMT from. Now, of course you could get that from plants, but that would be illegal. There is no law against extracting DMT from living persons that I'm aware of. So, that is one way of legally acquiring a very decent hallucinogen. You could even use the subjects skin as a coat, so long as they put the lotion on of course.
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I have a feeling you'd need to break some rules to get your supply of harvestable people.

People smuggling and entrapment are crimes. Skinning doesn't go down to well either.

But then maybe we could pull together. Come one everybody, take one for the team.



To the OP, may I ask why it has to be legal? DXM is all that comes to my mind.
 
It's a shame society values human life more than bovine,and that different rules apply !

Is DXM a hallucinogenic in the same way tryptamines or even the 2C compounds are? Having read trip reports in the past, it didn't sound like my thing, but I'll look into it again.

@Captain Brewster - As for your question as to why it as to be legal.... it's not that I particularly care about the legal status (really, I don't in the slightest), but it just means that if something is illegal, I have no chance to find it, as I'm not in my youth, don't run in any social circles, nor attend events where this thing is popular, and past things that have arrived have really just been a fluke (gifted to me). It would have been nice to think that I could go to a shop, or online, and secure some legal product, hence the question.

For the record, although it's probably cheap as chips to source 2C's from China, I'm not comfortable with this route, and would prefer to go without (and bitch about it lol) than be stressed about it getting through Customs. Anyway, I have had a couple of good experiences with the RC's so I'll be thankful for that, and focus on the natural highs in future, like psilocybin and mescaline. I might even do some experimentation with salvia quids, see what sort of trip duration can be had by this method.
 
headcharge said:
It would have been nice to think that I could go to a shop, or online, and secure some legal product, hence the question.
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Maybe if your were in another country, but Australia? No.

Anything chemical (naturally occurring or synthetic) that's fun, is banned here.

They'd much prefer you smoke ciggs and drink some piss mate. Much safer /s.
 
We live in a policed nanny state and it's only going to get worse. Have you been following all the bs from Campbell Newman about the bikies?

Idiots of Australia voted in an Abbott government, look out!

Release the drones - it's for your own good. If you got nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. Give me a chip and a barcode for my own protection please. Smh
 
Captain Brewster said:
Maybe if your were in another country, but Australia? No.

Anything chemical (naturally occurring or synthetic) that's fun, is banned here.

They'd much prefer you smoke ciggs and drink some piss mate. Much safer /s.
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From a revenue raising perspective, they're on the money. Pulling up to 70% in booze & tobacco excise and taxes. Like a retard, I am a consumer of these too.

As for synthetics, wasn't it only until earlier this year that stimulant synthetics like APVP/MPVP were readily available? I had spoken to a few acquaintances that were scoring this shit from retail outlets? I say shit, because the story was always the same... this overwhelming desire to keep redosing. I have nothing against RC's (clearly, based on this thread) but that stuff seemed fairly nasty at an end-user level.

How does ownership of mescaline-containing plants fall under the federal laws now? Surely they can't impose a ban on possession of t.pachanoi and similar active columnar cacti?
 
headcharge said:
From a revenue raising perspective, they're on the money. Pulling up to 70% in booze & tobacco excise and taxes. Like a retard, I am a consumer of these too.
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But that's because their legal.

Do you think they picked alcohol and tobacco, out every other recreational/addictive drug, because they (alcohol and tobacco) would make the most money?

I certainly don't.
 
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Interesting question to ponder, one of which I don't have an answer. But there's undoubtedly a correlation between these drugs remaining legal, heavily regulated and highly taxed, as opposed to the present laws regarding, say, cannabis, which if made legal, every smoker could grow his/her own outdoor crops without contribution tax.

It wasn't until the 1970's that we could brew beer. Distilling hard liqor is still very much illegal, and growing Nicotania species carries a gigantic fine and potential imprisonment unless you have an ATO permit. The ATO are the department who actually regulate the tobacco laws. The also impose an exise on small commercial breweries, who are required to pay the ATO not annually, nor quarterly, not even when their customers pay them, but as soon as it leaves their premises. It's a cashflow nightmare for a struggling business who may not get paid for that beer for 90 days but has already paid a giant alcohol excise on it.

These bastards are right on top of this cash cow. As of September last year, you cannot even bring a couple of cartons back from overseas as duty-free items. The limit is now something like 2 packets, and if you get caught with more than that, and are also carrying alcohol, you pay excise on the booze also, from the first millilitre.

AyahuascaSeeker, while I also heard those rumours about those stores, I am led to believe that the under the counter materials that you mention are no longer happening. I'm avoiding any direct reference in the likely event that you post gets edited haha.
 
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