Leftist Discussion Thread

[Burnt Offerings]

Also Japan is pretty racist, so is much of east Asia actually. There's a history of racial characterization in places like Japan, China and South Korea that'd make the most politically-incorrect American racist cringe

 

[consumer]

Thailand is very racist too. A non thai will always be a Farang (foreigner) unless they are black which is even worse in their eyes.
Farangs pay far more expensive prices unless they speak and read Thai.

Using racism of another country to defend your own racist views is as laughable as it is sad.

 

[spacejunk]

Yeah, it's pathetic.
Bigotry has no place on bluelight. It's in the user agreement.

 

[consumer]

Yeah, it's pathetic.
Bigotry has no place on bluelight. It's in the user agreement.

Unfortunately CEP is home to quite a few it seems.

Some Asian countries are racist so that makes it ok for me to be racist is pathetic. Its like saying that because someone committed a murder its ok to murder someone too. Its no justification. Two wrongs dont make a right as they say.

 

[swilow]

This forum got a lot better for me when I reacquainted myself with the ignore function.

 

[spacejunk]

Right.
I don't use the ignore function anymore, but i have an in-built version

 

[Lady Codone]

Hi all. {Waves}

Introduction: I'm far left, Green Party (just registered to vote this year after a lifetime of apathy) and consider myself a true leftist...not a member of the blue donkey democraps. No offense to anyone who still buys into the party line, of course, as I know a majority of people still do. Maybe I'm just more cynical than most

I was for Bernie and then put all that support behind Jill Stein when he floundered, except Jill wasn't on the ballot in my state so I voted "None of the Above." Not that the popular vote makes a shit anyway. My vote for pot legalization in my state DID count, however. Dr. Cornel West is one of my inspirations. I rarely disagree with any of his points of view, including his scathing takedowns of Obama.

But yeah. Personal freedoms and standard-of-living issues are most important to me, namely healthcare and economy. Equal rights for women, minorities, LGBT & everyone else too. No exploitation of the workforce or environment by corporations. Reproductive rights, marriage rights & the right to ingest drugs are as sacrosanct as the right to bear arms and the religious freedoms the right wing hold dear. You either support ALL personal freedoms or oppose them all. Or you're a hypocrite.

My entire family are conservatives in Middle America who voted for Trump, so I'm def the black sheep of the family...to put it mildly.

 

[Yourbaker]

There's an ignore function?

 

[consumer]

There's an ignore function?

Yes but its clunky. I dont like it myself. You need to bevon desktop to access it.

 

[spacejunk]

My entire family are conservatives in Middle America who voted for Trump, so I'm def the black sheep of the family...to put it mildly.

Good on ya, lady c!
It must be difficult to have such different values to those of your family.
I can relate, although my family are mostly pretty left wing, generally speaking.

 

[swilow]

Yes but its clunky. I dont like it myself. You need to bevon desktop to access it.

Yeah, you need to be in desktop mode to add someone. In mobile site, its effective because you can't even choose to view the post as opposed to desktop.

Its useful because I find it really hard to not respond but if I can't read it...

It does prevent the user from PMing you too.

 

[consumer]

Yeah, you need to be in desktop mode to add someone. In mobile site, its effective because you can't even choose to view the post as opposed to desktop.

Its useful because I find it really hard to not respond but if I can't read it...

It does prevent the user from PMing you too.

The only person i ever blocked was a certain deranged and now permabanned ex EADD poster but as i was mainly on my pc at the time it didnt work as the sheer volume of her posts basically made all the threads confusing unless you read her crap to tie it all together. Thank god she is gone. She is r/bluelights problem now.

 

[Somerandomdude]

Which argument? All i see are juvenile stereotypes.

-"Soft"
-"Multiculturism" (whatever that is)
- the stuff about "these women" and their pay (?) makes no sense at all. You seem to think protests require "demands", which is a pretty fundamental misunderstanding; this isn't a hostage situation - it is millions of Americans (and others around the world) making their voices heard, and saying clearly to Trump and his cronies that they will fight back against discrimination and abuse.

One thing that is heartening to me about the last couple of weeks is that many of the people claiming some kind of shared victory, with Trump's win (namely the so-called "alt-right")

The "alt-right" is an online phenomenon, and will continue to remain one as long as it isn't acceptable to spout the vitriolic bile these people do, in public.
It's not acceptable, which is why the main players in this are shadowy, if not completely hidden (or they're smug attention-whore provocateurs)
There's been a big effort on the part of many of these people to push fascist discourse into mainstream acceptance - but they've not succeeded, and they won't succeed. Why? People are pushing back.

Firstly, note the far right tearing each other apart with infighting - and (with a little help from anti-fascist activists) doxxing one another - and outing each other as hypocrites (or outing each other as profiting from peddling neo-nazi propaganda).

So - your anonymity cannot be ensured if you propagate fascism.

Secondly, let us remember that Martin Shkreli fellow copping a face full of faeces (and other anti-fascist confrontations).

So - your safety cannot be ensured if you propagate fascism.

Thirdly - and much like the previous point - was another goose-stepping clown getting biffed in the face twice on the day of Trump's inauguration.

This is the basic purpose of much traditional antifascist activism (going back to the 1920s) - is basically, that anyone spouting fascist rhetoric will have to risk violence to do so.
The basic premise of anti-fascist actions is that aggression towards fascists is self-defence, because fascism is - at it's core - a conspiracy to murder.

Now, i'm not saying whether i think that is right or wrong - i'm simply pointing out the philosophy of anti-fascist action, because it seems to be taking off Stateside.

The question is, how many of the keyboard warrior bigots of the "alt-right" are going to be brave enough to withstand physical attack when they appear in public?

I would hazard a guess at "not many". Especially after this week's bit of biffo and shit-slinging, and the doxing of neo-nazi internet radio 'personalities'.

So...where does that leave us?

Oh yeah - an estimated (conservative estimate) 2.9 million Americans took to the streets on 21st to voice their opposition to a deeply misogynistic sociopath being sworn-in as US President. Hell - in DC, the "women's march" reportedly couldn't go ahead, because the crowd was so big, it filled the entire route the march was supposed to take

You can mis-categorise the purpose of the marches all you like, but get back to me when you have 2.9 million fascists proudly expressing themselves without fear or guilt

What were you saying about being soft? Speak for yourself.

You really need to get a grasp on what fascism is. You can't label people who disagree with you as "fascists", with zero evidence, and expect to be taken seriously

 

[spacejunk]

Is that all you have to say?
I know very well what a fascist is - and i disagree with a lot of people who aren't fascist.

But i call a spade a spade. What sort of "evidence" is required?

 

[Somerandomdude]

Is that all you have to say?
I know very well what a fascist is - and i disagree with a lot of people who aren't fascist.

But i call a spade a spade. What sort of "evidence" is required?

I could have picked holes through your ridiculous post but I'm on my phone and literally cbf

It's a pretty serious accusation- the onus should be on you to provide some evidence to support it. Like that they support an extreme authoritarian government which severely curtails personal freedom.

The ironic thing is that the so called "Antifa"- who you've supported in this thread- call themselves anti-fascists, yet their first point of call when dealing with those who hold different opinions is to interfere with their right to assembly/free speech by physically attacking them- literally fascism 101.

It's also ironic that many of its members are Marxists- adherents of an ideology that killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century and was responsible for the most severe infringements upon personal freedoms ever. Fascist rule minus the nationalism.

 

[Somerandomdude]

The fact is- the key point of contention that is ripping the West apart is immigration- and the associated risks of Muslim extremism.

Most Muslims are decent enough people. But this is because they are not adhering closely to Islam. Islam is a poisonous ideology that brutally oppresses innumerable groups and a small minority of Muslims seek to enact a goal of a worldwide Muslim state.

The risk of them being able to do so in the west is increased exponentially by higher levels of Muslim immigration. Most people with half a brain realise this. Those whose minds are shackled by PC thinking cannot bring themselves to confront the reality of the situation. This has driven many who were formerly on the left of politics (me) away because preserving western civilisation is of paramount importance and if trump is the vehicle that sparks the western defence (so it seems) then so be it.

I know he's an opportunistic liar but he's at least got a spine and he is standing up for people long forgotten about since the emergence of toxic identity politics

 

[spacejunk]

Can't be bothered debating, huh?

That's a very simplistic definition of fascism and description of Marxism.

Antifa are doing a great job of making racists afraid again.
People that are emboldened by the aggressive racist rhetoric of smug clowns like Richard Spencer are still - for the most part - afraid to actually reveal their faces, instead hiding behind pseudonymous, vitriolic posts online.

Spencer got a taste of anti-fascist action on inaugeration day, which sent a message to every other two-bit segregationist looking to make a name for himself (most of these far-right goons are male) - say these vile things publicly, and you are putting your physical safety on the line.
As it should be.

I'm not interested in justifying anti-fascism to anyone - it's elementary to anyone that understands resisting racism, bigotry, intollerance.

You cannot reason with unreasonable people.
So we resist them with force.
You don't debate neo-nazis or fascists.

There is no use in legitimising fascist politics by attempting to engage it in discourse. It is not ok, and that is why all efforts to push fascism into mainstream acceptance is being met with strong opposition.

With the exposure given to the glorious smack in the head (sorry - two smacks in the head) mister hitler hair-do got on Jan 20th, i hope that other nazi hipsters (nipsters) think twice before spouting fascist bile in public.
It's not ok, will never be ok - and i'm really proud of people who take the fight - literally - to this latest crop of fascists.

If debate worked - it would be the tactic anti-fascists would use.
But we have a century of experience with these sorts of thuggish demagogues - and the only way to resist them is to do so as forcefully as possible.

"The left" engages in "toxic identity politics"?

That's actually pretty funny, given that you are lending your support to a gasbag who spent his entire campaign blaming various groups of people (migrants, muslims, refugees, women) for the woes of his country.

Trump's "got a spine"?
Give me a break!

 

[What 23]

You don't seem capable of reason. It explains your position.

 

[spacejunk]

I don't "reason" with racists.
Sorry if it's confronting to know that "the left" aren't all liberals. I daresay it's time to wake up.

 

[Droppersneck]

I literally call everything I possibly can, whether it be in jest or serious, racist. My theory is if we dilute the words meaning so much it might be taken back from the sjws, and reassigned its very serious original meaning.