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tathra
bluelighter
again, anything to back up those claims? lets see some supporting evidence, but just to give you advance notice, anything from breitbart or inforwars or hell even fox news and similar isnt evidence or information, its opinion and "entertainment". it has to be something with at least a tiny shred of credibility and objectivity.
swilow
Bluelight Crew
The point of housing asylum seekers is to try and offer protection to them, not build the economy.
I never said any different.
Tathra saying immigrants benefit the host country and Im just pointing out that it's not always the case.
Not sure the exact diference though between immigrant, refugee, asylum seeker and displaced people.
You say it's not job of asylum seekers to build economy? Well that's obvious, they not permitted to even work at all in UK.
Tathra saying immigrants benefit the host country and Im just pointing out that it's not always the case.
Not sure the exact diference though between immigrant, refugee, asylum seeker and displaced people.
You say it's not job of asylum seekers to build economy? Well that's obvious, they not permitted to even work at all in UK.
tathra
bluelighter
the burden of proof is on the person making the claims. telling somebody to do your research and find your evidence for you is proof that you're full of it and have no idea what you're talking about, and certainly that you're unable to substantiate your claims. do you even logic bro?
Ok, you said immigrants benefit the host country. So YOU prove that immigrants benefited germany in 2016.
Immigration years ago Prob benefited the host country but not now. Times have changed.
For example after ww2 loads of immigrants came to england and without doubt helped to re build the country. That's because there were lots of job opertunities.
Well where I live theres mass unemployment and increasing numbers of immigrants, how's that going to help?
Immigration years ago Prob benefited the host country but not now. Times have changed.
For example after ww2 loads of immigrants came to england and without doubt helped to re build the country. That's because there were lots of job opertunities.
Well where I live theres mass unemployment and increasing numbers of immigrants, how's that going to help?
StoneHappyMonday
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Ahhhh, you mean like when they were needed to run our transport system?
coming from somebody who's admitted that black people make him feel uncomfortable, i'm not sure anybody takes your comments on race that seriously here
there's nothing necessarily irrational about the belief that diversity and strength are related. it's possible you misunderstand the meaning of "rational" i suppose.
right. Trump administration tells EPA to cut climate page from website: sources
whether you agree or disagree that climate change is caused/impacted by humans, shouldn't we at least be able to discuss it?
alasdair
Under our current economy, controlled by money, immigrants who arrive with none must be given some and the pool is slightly diluted. Over time they can redeem themselves by being productive in society, as long as the host nation can provide work that advances the economy. The requirement is a working population providing enough resource to sustain this economy and an excess to trade. If we don't have work because our economy is experiencing a money shortage but we still have resources and work available the problem doesn't lie in the immigrants but in our design of the economy.
I think this is where we are today. Money, has left our economies all over the world. We have resources and labour but we've run out of glue.
I think this is where we are today. Money, has left our economies all over the world. We have resources and labour but we've run out of glue.
What 23
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coming from somebody who's admitted that black people make him feel uncomfortable, i'm not sure anybody takes your comments on race that seriously here
there's nothing necessarily irrational about the belief that diversity and strength are related. it's possible you misunderstand the meaning of "rational" i suppose.
right. Trump administration tells EPA to cut climate page from website: sources
whether you agree or disagree that climate change is caused/impacted by humans, shouldn't we at least be able to discuss it?
alasdair
Interesting how people hinge on one thing that I said in 2014 - with all of the other things and explanations offered in the mean-time. Highly selective. Fit for your simple shape. I still say they make me "uncomfortable", as in, I have to put more effort into identifying with them, and I have to be more conscious around them, or feel the need to. This is true of multi-racial relations, and science can back me up with most people. We don't flow as smoothly with those not of our group. Also, if I wanted to get into it, I could have reason to be more uncomfortable, because often they are less intelligent (not always, but on average, they are not as intelligent as whites)- not that I am a genius, but it makes it a little more complicated. I've also been stolen from from blacks more in recent years/have felt in danger from (bust into an apartment with a sawed off ready to shoot) recently than any other racial groups, and have known more black murderers- ridden with them (well, one that I know of, but he shot a guy because he "disrespected" him), before they murdered. My response to be a little more on my toes around them is rational- not that I am on obvious high-alert or judge them all as one single block-- it is more that it is complicating. My level of "discomfort" I think is overbaked how people here portray it - from my mentioning it in 2014. I would also be less comfortable making the "average" black girl pregnant, as opposed to the "average" East Asian, Native American, Arab, Indian, and especially Welsh/English/German/French woman. This is rational.
As for the "right"-- Yes they deny science too in ways that make me shake my head daily. But the left is so much more populated in ways lately, and their lies are much more accepted. Not to make excuses for the current administration.
As for "wholly rational"- you did notice the "wholly", right? The left seems to think that progress is a given as long as you follow some imaginary carrot of tolerance and acceptance (?) and that it there is no reason to control immigration and maintain a strong dominant group. At the current rate "diversity" is being mainly represented by Muslims and people from nations and people not well known for their advanced art, music, medical technology, mathematics, space exploration, nanotechnology, fusion, ideas, etc., and honestly I see it as a great challenge. Yes, challenge can help people/make us more experienced and smarter, and perhaps dealing with others over the years/with diversity has made us more civil as people. But the point is, we need to be realistic with this. Europe is not being realistic, and the "left" isn't being realistic or fair to the people of its own core-group, that built the nations they so prize their "diversity" in (and really the only way it functions, often in parasitic relationships). They disregard birthrates, culture, IQ, as if any mention of such things is just "bigoted"- end of story. My problem with the left is its dogmatic extremism when it comes to their beliefs. They disregard anything presented negative about it, or blame "us" (white men/people). It's not consistent, there is a double standard, and it isn't intelligent... I made sure to add "wholly", because there are holes in things, entire areas that the left just chooses to deny, or conveniently ignore, while hinging on selective data (often emotional, or acting as if on a moral high-ground, or that they or some group has been victimized), such as my mentioning how I trust whites more than blacks, and many explanations of reasons why, and how this can effect society in general (my feelings aren't isolated, and aren't unique among only whites), I try to be aware of/be made aware, but they deny these. They deny clear difference/problems caused in favor of holding up their ideology and "feel good".
As for "the economy"... as many people mention: Our jobs are already being taken by automation. If you think that is going to spare the script-writing and music industry, you're wrong. It's not going to spare surgeons, either. The "economy" argument is bogus, as it's presented. We're going to have to have an overhaul in how we do things, and immigration/increasing numbers is just a short term, and sloppy fix.
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
It is you who is shifting. You think I'm racist for being anti immigration, yet you make no mention of asian countries who want to remain homogenous and refuse multiculturalism.
Yeah, the increased crime rates are economically beneficial. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape 30k working out of 1.2 million is so great. Most of them are leaching off the taxpayers. Countries like syria and iraq need those doctors, surgeons, and engineers. You can't expect a country to get better with their best minds all leaving.
swilow
Bluelight Crew
Its a red herring. It doesn't mean anything. You keep bringing it up like its some sort of trump card but I don't see how this makes your views more acceptable.
I'm not going to start arguing about Japan. I'm arguing against the real people who consistently bullshit about their views with all sorts of feeble justifications. Japan is irrelevant to this debate. It doesnt make you not racist.
You're living in a post-truth fantasy. Are you scared of the truth?
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
You're living in denial. My reasons and justifications are the exact same as asian countries. You just cannot bring yourself to criticize
someone who isn't white. Either that or you don't believe non whites can be racist bigots.
swilow
Bluelight Crew
So, if you agree with Japan and consider them racists, do you agree that you are racist too?
I don't really care if you admit it or not, but denying it and throwing up irrelevancy suggests you are uncomfortable with the truth. And this goes for a lot of the other far right ideologues in this topic who seem so offended when told the truth about what their views say about them.
I don't really care if you admit it or not, but denying it and throwing up irrelevancy suggests you are uncomfortable with the truth. And this goes for a lot of the other far right ideologues in this topic who seem so offended when told the truth about what their views say about them.
I would respond but are fighting racism in every thread now?
Is this not the leftist discussion?
Racism is generally a right wing issue. Maybe there could be a thread without having to prove people are people separately in each one.
Is this not the leftist discussion?
Racism is generally a right wing issue. Maybe there could be a thread without having to prove people are people separately in each one.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Nah I don't think Japan is racist. And I don't think being against 3rd world immigration makes me racist either.
Throwing around buzzwords is just your way of trying to stifle discussion to give yourself the impression of knowing what you're talking about
Burnt Offerings
Bluelight Crew
^ Yeah, I was under the impression that this was a place for self-identifying leftists to talk/debate aspects of left-wing political thought
But it's rare nowadays for any political place online not to have at least one person ranting about skull shapes, IQ test scores and "racial realism"
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