Lecturer says many don't recognize the truth about 'X'

^Actually the chances of finding a pill with pcp isn't THAT bad, your not gonna find one with acid though. Just go look at the testing sites you'll find some with all sorts of wierd stuff, and there was even a few with cocaine, but it was probably just someone making a few pills to fuck around with people heads and think "Oh shit pills do have cocaine/heroin... whatever you want....
 
What makes me sad is that the loudest critics of anti-ecstasy activists are just as misinformed and biased. Sure Bob's got an agenda. He thinks drugs are harmful (that's a crazy idea, who'd have thought?) and he's trying to spread the message. And all we do, save a few of the wiser less idealistic of us, is cry and complain about how fucked up the DEA and the government are for filling everyone's heads with lies. What did Bob say that was so wrong? Not much if you ask me. And besides, how much of what you "know" is any better or more based in fact than what he "knows"?

You "know" that ecstasy doesn't cause long-term negative effects. Why, because you feel fine and you've taken 100 pills over the last 2 years? Or you took 13 in one night once and it didn't fuck you up permanently?

You "know" that your pills are pure. And if they aren't, what adulterants you're getting in your pills from a trusted (ha) source won't harm you. Why, because your friends told you there's never anything that could really hurt you in pills? Or maybe you saw it on a website?

You "know" that every study that's shown negative effects is bullshit. So you did your own I take it?

And apparently, anyone with 1/2 a brain just "knows" that ecstasy is better than heroin or crack. Riiight. Because no user is an individual and everything is black and white and can be explained as simple as that... it's just better. 8(

These self proclaimed experts do no one any good. Well put.

Basically (and I'm speaking to no one person here, just a general 'you') I'm just really tired of hearing about how mad it makes you that They keep lying and trying to influence people not to use ecstasy and it's so fucked up because ecstasy is so good and it could make the whole world better if only... Are you serious? 99.9% of ecstasy users take it to get fucked up (I know how much you like when the enemy uses numbers like that :p ), not for that higher cause that so many of you cite when you're defending its merit. You take too much of you have no idea what because it makes you feel fucked up. And then when Bob here tries to say that it might not be good for you, which it might not, you throw a hissy fit.

We aren't the victims we seem to think we are. And we're never going to prove that what we are is an intelligent population worthy of being listened to if we don't grow up and get a fucking clue.
 
I personally have enjoyed my crack use MUCH, MUCH more than I ever enjoyed any roll. When are they gonna start stamping Mini Mouse on my crack rocks, dammit?! *LOL*

;)
 
Sigmasis, you are one of the few who display some real logic. I really hate the whole 'Fuck the DEA, fuck the government, drugs aren't harmful" attitude displayed by many in this forum.
 
"I'm just really tired of hearing about how mad it makes you that They keep lying and trying to influence people not to use ecstasy and it's so fucked up because ecstasy is so good and it could make the whole world better if only..."

I agree with the last half. It does make me mad that they lie and constantly misinform, when it could be that people made their own decisions using well tested knowledge and freely shared, accurate information. I think it is a disservice to anyone who might find it under worse circumstances.

On that note, it seems foolish that people think it will make anything better outside of a psychologically controlled setting. Once released into the public, there would be so many pros and cons. Abuse, dependence, breakthroughs, positively or negatively life altering experiences. You can say it's good and you can say it's bad, both are 50% true statements.

I say consider yourselves lucky to be recieving such a controversial item at all, savor it and play it safe. Those that fly below the radar are the true 'responsible' users, and the rest just get popped.
 
What a load of unsubstaintiated half-truths and basic bullshit. Nuff said. This is a testament to the ineffective information and education programs in goverment policing agencies on basic facts about drugs, and or drug testing.

Doesnt he have access to a spectrography thingamabob?
Cheap-ass lab outfit that is.
As for bunk pills being all "mixed with mdma", what a load of crap. most bunk pills are either caffiene, speed or bzp. Its rarely dxm or something else, and most drugs/things are easy to test for reliably, as cops do in the feild - duh.

Anyway, danger or no danger kids do it. Just say know ;)
 
How come it's always SEVEN?
"One-time use of ecstasy has been found to cause measurable changes in the brain for up to seven years,"
or
"You are addicted within seven seconds of your first line"

I'm surprised he didn't say 13 or something like that.
 
Firstly :
http://www.maps.org/mdma/


This Dea man confuses MDMA and E in his dialog enough times to be discredited by science professionals.

ie
-A bunk drug, he said, is ecstasy mixed with other drugs, such as PCP or LSD to name a few.

- "One-time use of ecstasy has been found to cause measurable changes in the brain for up to seven years," he said. "And the studies have only been done for seven years, so the effects may remain longer."

Is he talking about MDMA or Ecstasy here?

What study is he referring to? Is it the one below?

I doubt humans inject 10mg/kg = 600mg for 60kg human.
http://mdma.net/serotonin/serotonergic.html

Ask any pharmacologist and extrapolation of effects accross species, dosages and route of administration simultenously is absurd.

Another good look:
http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v09n3/09306nel.html
http://www.maps.org/media/salon7.31.03.html
http://www.drugtext.org/library/research/mdma/archive/08/default.htm

Come to your own conclusions my friends. ;) I already have.
 
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i kept on reading his name as SLUTMAN, not STUTMAN...

tee hee hee.... slutman...
 
the green CU's from back in the day had PCP in them.......and when anyone tells me that acid is in a pill......i usually dont make fun of them, and just know to myself that its probably just MDA. who knows. who cares. i have no opinion on this bc my opinion isn't going to change what he said. its politics, its the media.....what can ya do.

b.
 
What can you do? Join a volunteer organisation that promotes a responsible approach to psychedelics and embrace their idealology. ;)
 
The 'still damaged seven years later' bit refers to a group of Ricaurte (of course) monkeys that were injected twice a day for four days (don't recall the dosage.) Their serotonin systems were pretty much nuked down to bedrock by the treatment...obviously they never quite returned to normal structurally. The logic of 'these monkeys were given MDMA and were damaged therefor anybody who takes MDMA will be damaged' without addressing dosage/route is rather weak, but it's not surprising from people without some medical/scientific background.
 
I appreciate the other opinions here and the fact that there are so many. But I just wanted to note a thing or two.

Dangerous has many definitions. If we're going to take into account availability and prevalence of use by people much too young/uninformed to know what responsible drug use is and how to protect themselves, then I might have to agree with Bob about ecstasy being the most dangerous drug out there.

Well, besides alcohol... but that's another story. ;)

And the man was speaking to a group of college kids about ecstasy, trying to keep them from falling asleep, not defending his thesis about MDMA to a board of science professionals and scholars. Cut him some slack.

Oh yeah, and jaymie, I'm feeling you on this wine/nude body painting/frolicking business.
 
He added that recently three million drugs were seized with the Snoopy logo on them, and of those pills, they found 350 different chemicals in them.

ok...so out of 3 million drugs with the snoopy logo on them (which could also be a hit of acid) of those pills they found 350 different chems in the pills themselves?? I think i misunderstand...someone help me here....350 different chems in one pill or of the batch? im lost with the sheer stupidity of this whole article.
 
I totally agree with SigmaSis.

'You' also being used in a general way:
So you think you are the experts too... what tests have you done to prove ecstacy isn't harmful etc... We are all allowed to our opinions, this guys opinion is that ecstacy may be harmful and cause future damage.

If you dont believe this is a possibility then you are a COMPLETE WANK.
 
Look at the studies that claim ecstasy causes brain damage and you can see why people don't trust it. Take this one for example:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-09-08-science-retract_x.htm

These bastards injected monkeys with toxic levels of Methamphetamine, and then announced to the world that the monkeys had been brain damaged by MDMA. What a bunch of fuckups, they should have their PHd's taken away. BAD RESEARCH!!

Or this great NIDA study showing the brains of Ecstasy users that were dead of electrical activity which was totally discredited by Scientists around the world.

Look, I don't think Ecstasy is harmless, but the government is not your friend, and don't you ever fucking forget they'll lie to you every chance they can. So be intelligent, don't abuse drugs, and for fucks sake go vote.
 
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